We always suspected that you were in love with Omar’s way of doing things but until today I didn’t realize your allegiance to the mets was an Ethnic thing.

It really does explain every disjointed and unrelated thing you said now that we understand where the hatred is coming from!

The wilpons are evil because of a Latin thing that the rest of us wouldn’t understand!

I get you now!

That’s 4 spots out of 9 that combined with Wright and Davis’ platoon splits really make it 5/9 in terms of working through the line up. (on the surface Davis has an equal platoon split but 9 of his hits vs. LHP were of the infield variety which as a non-speedster doesn’t prove to me he’s handling LHP and without those 9 hits his BA would have been .221) and Pagan has a huge platoon split too.

In a line up who’s hitters have such a low OB%, low SLG% and such huge platoon differences Bay’s just not going to get a steady diet of pitches to hit. Perhaps if guys start getting on in front of him the pitchers will be forced to come in more often and he will see more stuff he can do something with.

Comparing his 2009 with 2010 is unfair due to the comfort factor, the different type of off season he had, switching back to the NL and trying to live up to, instead of obtaining, the big contract.

Jason Bay can be at least an average LFer but not in as disjointed a line up as he was last year.

BAY, http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?roster_year=2010&player_id=424726&c_id=nym

GIVES BAY THE EDGE “ON PAPER; BUT WERTH SEEMS TO HAVE DISPLAYED A TREMENDOUS SITUATIONAL ABILITY TO BE HIGHLY OPPORTUNISTIC WHEN NEEDED, IF NOT OVERALL; ANYONE, WHO HAS WATCHED AS MANY PHILLY GAMES AS MOST OPPOSITIONAL FANS PROBABLY ARE MORE SUPRISED AT HIS OVERALL NUMBERS BEING LESS IMPRESSIVE THAN THEIR PERCEPTION. BASED UPON LAST YEAR’S ABERATION, BAY WAS JUST THE DIRECT OPPOSITE THE SHOCK BEING HOW IMPRESSIVE HIS OVERALL CAREER NUMBERS HAVE BEEN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY’VE SEEN.

Futhermore, these Mets in this Park will need to live & die on their RBI totals not HRs. A key facilitator or baraometer will be the placement of Reyes & Psgan on the RS leadership column. I contend that while it’s SOP to have a low K high contact hitter @ #2. the XBH% of the Mets’ #2 will be a key factor since Reyes will score on nearly every one he’s on base for.these XBH% will be key as they’ll account most often for 2R, Reyes & the #2(Pagan) by Wright,Beltran,Bay. Consider how thesethese most frequrnt #2′s performed in % of XBH
LoDUCA approx 24%
MATSUI approx 27%
Castillo approx 14%
Pasgan approx 31%

he started very slow, (so did Wright) and then got hurt before he could even it out to come to average.

This year he either picks up his game or he could be traded justr as much as Reyes or Wright would be if they agree to pay some cash!

Now when I said before that david has to hit for reyes to stay that was not an indictment of David but a statement of the reality Sandy is facing this year.

If we are not competing before the trade deadline then Sandy is going to think REBUILD and if thats the case even David Wright could be sold off for prospects.

I don’t want to see him or reyes go but the truth is I can’t blame Sandy for not wanting to carry two big salaries when the rest of the team is going to look like they should be wearing Buffalo Unis!

Keep in mind, he also hit. .307 with a .390 OBP and .447 Slg. , had 164 hits, with 39 doubles and 27 SBs.

So I don’t think you can even put Bay’s bad year in the same breath as Wrights first year adjustment to Citifield.

Great to see you back posting your insights JoeD, hoping your health is better cause this coming season will try even the most healthy fan.

I see where Bay is not mentioned but the fact that he is staying and Jose and Carlos might be traded gives them more possibilities for rumors, etc by fans and especially the anti NY Met press.\

He, Bay, needs to step up and be the protection that even a on his way down Delgado provided for David, maybe that might help David stop trying to hit the ball out all the time and just hit gap to gap and the HR’s will come.

A right handed pull hitter will always do better in Boston than he will in Citi Field.

Bay right now probably is the least tradeable of the players we have.
So no matter what he does this year he is likely going to remain a Met.

His performance will have an influence only in respect to the trade status of others and even then only a minor contributor to that status.

If he has a poor year then he will make the trading of Reyes and Beltran more likely. Not on it’s own mind you it will require Wright and Davis to have poor years to ENSURE they are traded.

If he has a good year then the chances we will retain Reyes increase a bit as Sandy might determine a blowing up of the roster is not needed. Beltran is likely gone before the deadline, Reyes is the only one of the pair that will be considered for an extention.

And while Bay’s performance will have some sway in those decisions the sway it hold will pale in comparison to the sway the performance of guys like Wright Pagan, Davis and Reyes will have on those moves.

If Reyes has a crappy year we may not get anyone to trade for him. Same for Beltran. If Wright and Davis do not hit (lets say Bay does) it still will lead Sandy to think let me get what I can for Reyes and Beltran and if nothing gets done he will let them walk and hope to get the picks for them if there are any.

If Reyes and Beltran have a great year then the performance of Bay, Wright and Davis become more important. If those three have good years then we will likely be competing for the division title and that might put some pause in Sandy to consider keeping one or both to not upset the apple cart and hope to get that quick Playoff appearance.

So your correct, what Bay does this year will have an impact. But it is much more important for Reyes and Beltran to have good years because if they do then we can actually get something for them if Bay, Wright and Davis don’t hit.

Once the fate and future of Reyes and Beltran are settled then what to do with Bay and Wright will be front and center.

So it may seem like he is getting a free pass but really he is just not the first guys in the line to deal with.

at least I think that was the distinction.

But overall, I don’t see that as a big issue in this instance. I don’t think the “white guys” have been spared the criticism at all. And if anything I think Bay and Wright have received more criticism for their “bad years” than some of the others have for theirs. Certainly there are people out there who are critical of players for the wrong reasons, but I don’t think all those who are concerned about Reyes’ and Beltran (particularly Carlos since his injury isn’t one thats going to completely go away) ability to stay healthy are jerks who’s feelings are motivated by racism.

I think the flaw in your argument – saying that you’re more concerned with Bay then Reyes and Beltran – is this line:

“And in their last full seasons in 2008…”

In Beltran and Reyes last full season IN 2008…

Bay put up pretty significant numbers in 2009.

Let’s say that there is a concern with all three of them and hope for the best.

That being said, I just think Bay had a tough time going from an extreme hitter’s park to an extreme pitchers park.

Alderson DOES get a free ride when he’s been appointed and NOT ONE PITCH HAS BEEN THROWN YET.

WHat fan base is dumb enough to give up on a GM before a season even starts.