Did you read the complaint against the Wilpons?

Even if everything they accuse the Wilpons of were true at most they would get 300 Mil back!

They are trying to use bankruptcy laws to get money back but those only apply to Madoff himself since he is the one that went bankrupt not the Wilpons.

he is trying to say the Wilpns OWNED the fund because they were the one with the most money in it.

madoff is not going to have any affect. Mark my words on that.

They will give back about 300 Mil and maybe some interest and by the time this clears the courts chances are likely Sandy already respent the money by then.

That case is going to drag on for years after all the appeals are exhausted!
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And I’m not going to worry about past history. Even if you think the Wilpons were the cause of that they got too many things to worry about than bothering and tinkering with Sandy.

As for beltran I don’t think your going to get garbage for him. He would be a great DH in the american league who can also play the field when needed. His bat would have been top 5 in SLG if he had a season as good as his september!

Beltran isn’t done he is just RISKY. Until he shows he can play everyday no one is going to buy into the numbers. If he manages to stay on the field until the trading deadline hits then we will get some offers for him to a team who needs another bat to shore up their playoff drive.

And remember with Beltran gone it also opens up the possibility to use his money on something else needed.”
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Metsie, I pray you’re right those are scenerios that have worked for nearly every team; but in 49 yrs I can’t remember any such happening in Flushing. Ever consider that the Beltran money may need reinvestment in the Madoff settlement? otherwise it’s a perfect fit for retaining Reyes; alas I think Picard may all ready be on that line.

As for beltran I don’t think your going to get garbage for him. He would be a great DH in the american league who can also play the field when needed. His bat would have been top 5 in SLG if he had a season as good as his september!

Beltran isn’t done he is just RISKY. Until he shows he can play everyday no one is going to buy into the numbers. If he manages to stay on the field until the trading deadline hits then we will get some offers for him to a team who needs another bat to shore up their playoff drive.

And remember with Beltran gone it also opens up the possibility to use his money on something else needed.

This year will be the final chapter. The team will not look the same even before the season is over!

The only question now is HOW LONG will it take to transition.
Two possibilities here:

Short time, long time!

Short time is possible if Pelfrey steps up and becomes the ace he was supposed to, Pagan hit the way he did last year, Reyes returns to full form and shows he is worth giving a new contract, David Wright makes that performance pay off, Bay is more of a help than a hinderance, Davis shows he wasn’t a fluke and improves, Niese continues to stay consistent and healthy, and the KEY…

Beltran plays well enough to command some good prospects at the trading deadline.

The long version will happen is Reyes, Wright and Davis are only so so. Cause then Reyes is gone and maybe Wright too! beltran I think is a goner no matter what happens here. This will mean we are in a full rebuild that will take 3 or 4 years minimum to complete. And don’t expect any big mega deal signings or trades until that is done.

As for Omar’s move we all admit he had no farm to work with. Was his plan great? NO WAY! but it also wasn’t pure folly. He made some bad contract choices because he had no farm to fill and people wanted to see us win.

Now while none of us are happy with the farm as it is it did produce Niese, Davis, Thole, has Mejia and Gee in the wings, you can’t go a day without someone touting Murphy at 2B so how bad is a farm that has 3 ML starters and 3 more potential wing candidates coming from it.

As bad as the GMJ, castillo and Perez contracts are (and castillo is really a borderline BAD lets face it 8 Mil?) to be fair we should also factor in the Dickey and Pagan signings as virtual steals!

Omar basically gambled that he would have the farm developed by the time the FA contracts he handed out would expire.
And that actually has come to pass in a very mediocre way.

This team can go either way right now.
If it shows it is at least close to competing then we won’t have to suffer a long rebuild.

If it can’t compete then we are likely to stockpile as many prospects and picks as we can. Which means if people think they are unhappy now just wait till they have to sit through what might essentially be be a Buffalo Bisons vs the Phillies series!

I’m not just being facetious, I’m serious; sure it’s one thing to claim there should be depth on the farm to maintain progress & another to try to contend using “checkbook” development.

T, we’ve agreed in the past that in ’05 Minaya was handed a Farm system bereft of any meaningful talent at any usable level or any position, Lastings Milledge was the last prospect standing from the Phillips’ regime, Duquette had already stripped the roster of any tradeable veteran assets such as Alomar, Benitez, Burnitz, Ventura, Zeile without adding any useful young talent of any regard ie Royce Ring as the sole prospect returned; but only if we accepted his companion sore-armed Almonte? Duquette passed Almonte onto Boston in one of his final elimination moves.
T, historically there are ONLY 3 methods for adding youth & vitality to a Major League Franchise; the amateur draft, trading vets for prospects & signing undsrafteable internationals. Between Duquette’s elimination of the trade option and Fred’s elimination of the Competitive signing bonus the ability to rebuild internally via youth was severely damaged making the ONLY feasible method for improving MLB performance the acquisition of Top F/A
So much for what I believe is the “How we got here” past, my optimism for a change in style-modus operandi, lies with the combination of Alderson’s having less demands/expectations on him combined with a deeper development program, though still less respected due to obvious lack of NAURALS types from 1st & 2nd round picks, a fanbase weary of the failed F/A disappointments, wanting more developing, a loss of stature as a potential Salary structure destroyer by Commish leasding to a wink should we exceed slot as Selig recommended,Alderson strongly requests. Weary Wilpons looking for Headline shelter are less meddling Wilpons.

Yes, T, I believe the light is actually the end of the tunnel & not that feared onrushing freighttrain!

LET US PRAY! AMEN!

I appreciate David sticking up for his team mate and fellow Met vet cause they are the ones that will carry this team this year if they are to compete, INO.

Johan has been plagued too, maybe it’s the lack of sanitary water die to the “Iron Triangle” next door.

Fact is these 7 year contracts rarely if ever work out and because of never having any other options your forced to go more years than makes sense.

If guys are joining an established team with a realistic chance of winning they can be had for 4 or 5 like Halliday and Lee if not you have to go 6 or 7 and like I said it just never works out.

My fear is Johan is not the same when he gets back either this year or next. What then? 60M more parked on the DL or as a 3rd 4th starter just when we finally get rid of 18M worth of dead ass.

When is it going to end ’62.

BELTRAN’S PARTICIPATING IN only 76% OF THE GAMES PLAYED THROUGH HIS CONTRACT.

Santana’s failures to healthily complete ANY SEASON while FAILING TO EXCEED 16 Ws, BEING MOLESTED REPEATEDLY by our most KEY OPPONEBNTS ATL,PHL,NYY.

Since ’02 only Glavine had/has been as ineffectual against Atlanta as Santana.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not accusing either of ever dogging it or NOT giving their ALL; just the contrary. It absolutely astounds me at how Santana can so repeatedly stink against these prime competitors yet still be renowned as a BIG GAME PITCHER. Aren;t his 2 biggest meltdowns 1 each against NYY & PHL?
in 3 years I can recall ONLY 3 STANDOUT SIGNATURE moments. That ’07 last GS,the STL marathon & his 2010 openner Vs Johnson & Fish.
By expecting there to be more am I being overly demanding? Hell, even Trachsel had 2 one-hitters as a Met, How many for Santana?

Beltran’s in & out of the lineup issue has kept him ineffectual for nearly 25% of his PRIME PRODUCTION years. Both were key aged acquisitions one @ 28(Beltran) the other 29(Santana).

he was .020 points off in BA from his career average.
He had as many doubles in a half season of 2010 as he had in entire seasons with Pitt and Boston. Only in 2005 did he have 44 Doubles the other years he had 2B numbers in the 20′s. So he was hitting more doubles off the wall with us. Some of those as stated would have been HRs in either Pitt or Boston.

If you look at the splits, Bay hit .303 in May when Wright was hitting .248 Two of his HRs were in that time. In June he dropped to .250 Once Wright got hot and hit .404. Bays last 3 HRs were durung that time which explains the BA. He was trying to hit HRs instead of just driving the ball.

It wasn’t horrendous, just not what you expected. If he had the entire season to work out his issues we probably wouldn’t be talking about his problem at all!

Doesn’t matter now what he did. Only matters what he does next. If he is a bust wave bye bye to Wright reyes and Beltran while they are probably stuck with Bay as they rebuild!

I can see any number of teams interested come May 1st and I’d be willing to keep some of his paycheck in order to maximize the return and I would gladly offer 4/60 – 5/75 for Reyes 2nd week into ST.

Even if he were to get hurt at least that’s the kind of guy it’s worth taking a chance on.

The best thing, in my mind, for Alderson to do is to decide to shave $10M off of this years’ payroll by simply letting Beltran walk for his picks & assigning his contract value over to Reyes saving Jose’s current $11M!

Typically, Jose ends pretty high on the RS ledger in the NL, how close Pagan can tailgate him in that measure will be KEY to our success.

Here’s my preferred path to cutting this year’s payroll: Let Beltran depart for picks, slide Beltran $$$ to Reyes & Beltran position to Pagan promoting a prospect to RF for ’12 @ minimum payscale. NET SAVINGS approx $10M!