Collins Lays Down The Law With Perez

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• Kranepool7 February 14, 2011 at 9:42 am

  Sherman and Lennon are hacks! This why the only beat writer I ever take seriously is Adam Rubin.
  • vinnie papandrea February 14, 2011 at 11:03 am

    The fact that Perez has the balls to say WE is unbeleivable
• kevin February 14, 2011 at 10:00 am

  Why is this POS still on the team? Alderson is just another Wilpon lapdog thats why!!!
  • METS62FAN February 14, 2011 at 11:27 am

    kEVIN, U DO REALIZE HE’S GOING TO GET PAID 12m OF THE VERY FEW wILPON DOLLARS LEFT WHEWTHER HE ACTUALLY EARNS THEM OR NOT? IF HE’S RELEASED IN st HE’LL GET THEM & NEVER EARN THEM; HOWEVER CAN WE FAULT THE WILPONS FOR PREFERRING TO PAY THIS REDICULOUS LOST DEPBT IN INSTALLMENTS BIMONTHLY? INSTEAD OF A LUMP SUM THAT WOULD INDICATE RICHES TO A COURT THEY’RE ABOUT TO CRY POVERTY TO? WHY? JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE TIRED OF SEEING HIS MUG? REGARDLESS OF THE FOOL’S ERAND OR NOT BY KEEPING HIM THERE’S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY HE MAY JUST EARN A SMIDGEON OF IT, IT’S NOT LIKE HE’S LIKELY TO COST US A PENANT OR SOMETHING. THERE ALSO THE .00000001% CHANCE SOME TEAM MAY ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO TAKE HIM OFF OUR HANDS OUT OF DESPERATION WHERE THEY’S ASSUME A DOLLAR OR TWO WILPONS WON’T HAVE TO. EITHER WAY EATING IT EARLIER IS NOT FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR CONSIDERATION.sorry for the capslock; but Ib finished berfore I saw it was engaged.
  • Marla Hooch February 14, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    You’re another jerk behind keyboard that doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
• Alan February 14, 2011 at 10:45 am

  For all of us who want to see Oliver Perez gone for good, it is a no brainer for the organization to have him come to spring training. In all likelihood, he will be cut
  and unfortunately is going to get paid. If for some reason he shows anything at all
  and that is doubtful then maybe there could be some interest for him. The way it
  stands he will be collecting 12 million dollars from the Mets for doing nothing
  if he is cut. Maybe a miracle occurs and we get a bag of balls and a few old bats
  for him.

  Sandy Alderson has little choice..why not take a shot?
  • K Maxx February 14, 2011 at 11:12 am

    You dont get it. Ollie should have been cut to send a message to the team and to the league. The time for trying to get something out of Ollie is past! He should have been cut as Alderson’s FIRST MOVE!
    • Donal February 14, 2011 at 11:24 am

      The problem is, you may be running afoul of the Players’ Union. Not to mention making it harder to deal in good faith with agents and other players.

      Give Ollie enough rope to hang himself. when he shows up out of shape an unable to perform, then you cut him and no one can complain.
      • Adam Baker February 14, 2011 at 11:28 am

        Have to agree with Donal. There’s alot of politics that go into decisions like this.
        Ollie will show up like a good soldier, say the right things and promptly pitch himself off of the team. He’s a reasonably young lefty so some idiots will “kick his tires”.
      • Harry C February 14, 2011 at 12:15 pm

        Youur post is total bulls%%^t Donal. It really is embarrasing having lapdogs defend having OP around. You know darn welll that if Omar were still GM you’d be screaming and yelling how bad this is. But since you are nothing more than a lapdog for sandy the gm who can’t do a thing, you have the nerve to blame the players union. a total fraud you are indeed.
        • Donal February 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

          Well, I’d be upset with Omar because he’s the one who gave OP the deal.

          For Pete’s sake, its the first day of pitchers and catchers, not March 30th. Why not let things play out first before we start demanding heads?
          • alwaysnextyear February 14, 2011 at 1:25 pm

            and Omar is the guy that kept Ollie on the roster all last year, clogging up a much needed roster spot.

            that is 10x worse than keeping him through the off season before releasing him!
      • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:18 am

        Just an honest question, how does cutting an ineffective player run afoul of players union? Ollie gets paid; we get our roster spot back. Contract fulfilled.
        • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:32 am

          Contract obligations. You’d be surprised what a player can file a grievance over.

          Players have to be given the chance to fuflfill their contracts. If the new regime just cuts Perez without even meeting him, the Union can claim Ollie wasn’t given a fair shake.
          • Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 11:39 am

            I’m sorry but you will have to show me some precedence of a player filing a grievance due to being released with pay or that a player must be given a chance to fulfill their contracts.
            • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:42 am

              The first part I haven’t heard of, but the second is actually spelled out pretty plainly in the CBA.

              Its part of the reason the teams are wary when figuring out how to use closers.
              • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:43 am

                Oh, wait, here’s one

                http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_mlb_players_union_files_grievance_as_mets_try_to_avoid_paying_francisco_rodrigue.html
              • Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 11:57 am

                this link is about the mets attempting to void his contract and not pay him.

                The Mets by releasing Ollie would still be paying him.

                How are these 2 incidents the same?
              • Donal February 15, 2011 at 12:02 pm

                Like I said, hadn’t heard of the first, but the second is spelled out real clearly.

                And I still don’t see the harm in letting OP sign in. Is he really going to distract from Jason Isringhausen’s developement?
              • Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 12:07 pm

                if its spelled out clearly like you say then find me the quote and link so i can see it.

                Barring that i have trouble accepting that “Players have to be given the chance to fulfill their contracts.” as meaning that a team simply cant gut a player even if they are willing to pay him what his contract says.
              • Donal February 15, 2011 at 12:35 pm

                http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

                Schedule A, section 7, paragraph b

                You need just cause to cut a guy. Now, we all know Ollie has been terrible and shows no signs of improving. The problem is, technically, the Mets do not have 5 better options at starter. After Pelf, Niese and Dickey, you’ll notice a bit of a drop off in number of starts last year from any of the other candidates. OP could argue that he is in fact not bellow the standards set by the club (thank you, Omar).

                Seriously, let OP prove he doesn’t belong here. Let’s not leave an opening for another off the field mess.
              • Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 12:50 pm

                Donal. what the heck is shedule A?

                If you know the page number that the quote is on just at least give me that rather than me trying to find a reference to the word shedule in the table of contents that isnt there to begin with.
            • Donal February 15, 2011 at 12:56 pm

              Sorry, page 229. I was just trying to be all official.
              • Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 1:03 pm

                On page 229 it says and I quote,

                7.(b) The Club may terminate this contract upon written notice to the
                Player (but only after requesting and obtaining waivers of this contract
                from all other Major League Clubs) if the Player shall at any time:
                (1) fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the
                standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep
                himself in first-class physical condition or to obey the Club’s train-
                ing rules; or
                (2) fail, in the opinion of the Club’s management, to exhibit suf-
                ficient skill or competitive ability to qualify or continue as a mem-
                ber of the Club’s team; or
                (3) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in
                any other manner materially breach this contract.

                So again not being a lawyer but where it says,

                “fail, in the opinion of the Club’s management, to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability to qualify or continue as a mem-
                ber of the Club’s team”

                All the Mets have to do is say in their opinion they don’t think he can help our team and he they can release him.

                This notion that the Mets have to give him a shot at making the team is bogus. They can release him at anytime they wanted. They could have done it in October, November, December, January and now February.
          • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:42 am

            Ok I see you answered up here what I asked down there. But I have to disagree strongly. We owe him money, not the right to play. I recall The Yanks buried Kei Igawa for years. But he was paid and there was no problem.

            Also why would a player have a problem with it at all? I would think the bigger problem would have best last years 24-1 charade. I know if for whatever reason ownership wouldn’t sign off on cutting Perez and I was the manager Ollie would have NEVER seen daylight. As it was he didn’t get much, there as a player I would have the beef. But to get paid and have a chance to pursue more money elsewhere, where the size of my contract wouldn’t be a problem every time I took the mound, that’s a blessing.
          • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:49 am

            Indeed Donal I understand where it may be a problem if escalators or other factors where to kick in. But Ollie is due a straight 12 mil. No muss no fuss. And we’re not trying to keep him and get cute with usage; no we’re trying to expel him completely. If we cut K-rod, we’d owe him the $ from this year, and have to settle on what was owe next year. It’d be messy. But with Ollie, honestly he should be angrier about being made a bullpen arm. His contract was signed as a starter, and I imagine he thinks he’ll earn his next contract by being a starter.
            • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:55 am

              So, what is the harm in having them there? You really think he will take time from guys like Gee or Mejia?

              Let him prove he should get cut one last time. If he makes the team shomehow, that means the Mets have a world of other problems that don’t in volve Perez.

              If he does have a decent Spring, maybe someone will send us a b level prospect or two for him.
    • Metsie February 15, 2011 at 9:55 am

      Well KMaxx I tell you what, Pony up 12 Million and I can make some calls to ensure that Perez is cut for you!
• Donal February 14, 2011 at 11:26 am

  Am I the only person who is uncomfortable demanding a person loses his job?

  I know Ollie is a multi-millionare and gives us all plenty of reasons to dislike him, but the fact that I spent a good chunk of time unemployed makes it hard for me to just demand OP gets cut without even letting him show up.
  • Harry C February 14, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    You are a joke Donal.. . HE’S STILL GETTING THE DOUGH. YOU DON’T NEED TO MAKE UP BULL TO BE SANDY’S DOG. JUST SAY IF SANDY ALDERSON MY FALSE GOD KEEPS HIM THAQEN ITS GOOD. TO VCOME UP WITH CRAP ABOUT A GUY WHO IS GOING TO MAKE 12 MIL THIS YEAR IMPACTING WHAT YOU GET IN YOUR PAYCHECK IS TOTAL CRAP. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN JOB BECAUSE IF YOUR BOSS FINDS OUT HE’S PAYING FOR YOU TO WRITRE THIS JUNK ON HIS DIME YOU’LL BE COLLECTING AND DESERVEDLY SO.
    • Donal February 14, 2011 at 12:21 pm

      Your Caps Lock is stuck. So is your Stupid Key.
      • letsgomets February 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm

        Thats funny
  • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Donal, honestly I think you might be. A guaranteed contract, a contract that allows him to defy the wishes of his employers. I think Ollie has got it just fine. I agree with K Maxx above. This group of players needed to see that the mess of last year is gone and that new regime wouldn’t keep guys who weren’t all about the team for a second. The best way to do that was to drop Ollie, and sweep out Luis while they were cleaning up. These guys are progress stoppers; taking up roster spots of younger guys with higher upside. No need to trade them for another bad contract headache. Turn the page, move on and let spring training breathe air that’s free of last year misery.
    • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:30 am

      So, what is wrong with letting them sign in and acknowledge they showed up for camp and cutting them in a week? Do you want to let the Perez situation cause the team Union headaches or damage their standing with agents and players?

      Like I have said already, give OP and Castillo enough rope to hang themselves.
      • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:35 am

        I don’t understand at all how cutting Perez yesterday causes any union headaches. You’ll have to explain that one. They cut him a check; he’s free to pursue other employment. Agents see that holy cow! They let this guy play half a summer with a 24 man roster, bent over backwards trying to let him do well in winter ball when he still sucked… I don’t see any problems there. Luis gets his $ and tries to find a job for half a mil playing 2nd for some small market club. There are no union beefs we are honoring are contract.
        • Donal February 15, 2011 at 11:39 am

          So, what is the problem with letting them prove they deserve to be cut? Team work outs haven’t even started.

          New regime should at least evaluate the assets it has.
          • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:45 am

            I understand getting value out of current assets. But these aren’t just pieces of paper or stock or bonds. They are people, and they must interact with the other assets which are also people. Just my own opinion that if I were a player on a club where a guy was hurting the team every moment of his existence by refusing to head to the minors, I wouldn’t want to see him in my locker room. And I would worry that when a “fresh start” comes in but the worst symbols of the old ways are still around in a new year, I’d be very unhappy. That more than cutting an ineffective guy would sour me on a franchise if I were a free agent. (Of course player agents are always out for the highest $ so they are a different breed)
• Berbalerbs February 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm

  The new front office should have seen this coming…

  …And should have done what?
  • Donal February 14, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Listen to bloggers and media types about who they should have on their roster. Because its worked so well in the past.
    • Harry C February 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

      OP IS A HOORIBLE PLAYER AND DONAL; IS A HORRIBLE STOOGE FOR THE MET FRONT OFFICE. ANY ONE WITH A BRAIN WOULD NEVER DEFEND HAVING OP IN SPRING TRAINING. ONLY A TOOL LIKE DONAL. METS PAY YOU GOOD FOR THIS JNK DOANL?
      • Donal February 14, 2011 at 12:22 pm

        I’m getting a free Chris Young jersey
        • alwaysnextyear February 14, 2011 at 1:33 pm

          i hope you are tall.
        • Berbalerbs February 14, 2011 at 3:18 pm

          Did Harry have a stroke or something? I mean, his posts are always stupid, but this is…um…new.
      • Marla Hooch February 14, 2011 at 6:05 pm

        Just because you use caps doesn’t make what you try and say any more important or accurate.
• alwaysnextyear February 14, 2011 at 1:33 pm

  Hasn’t the “release Ollie” horse been beaten to death at least 10 times already this winter?

  It is a simple, prudent business practice. If they release him in December (or today),m they pay him his full salary and get nothing back.

  If they let him try out in ST, there is a chance (maybe slim, but at least a chance) that he shows enough to produce some return. even that is a team taking on 2mill of his salary and giving a couple of B prospects back, it is at least something.

  Really just doing due dilligence. Which is what I would hope that a GM of my favorite team would do. And once they did not cut him last season, it was pretty much a given that he would be here into the spring.

  not given a job, or guaranteed anything. Just a chance to show he deserves a job. If he sucks as bad as everyone seems to think he will, then he will not get one. As long as he is not on the opening day roster, really does not matter.

  as to “sending a message”, that cuts 2 ways. I suppose it tells fans that the FO pays attention to who the shipping boy is, and tosses them into the volcano as a sacrifice. But, it also tells future FAs that the Mets are a team that, as soon as you hit a rough batch or the fans get on you, you are likely to be cut without having every possible chance to prove you deserve to keep your job.

  I get that everyone despises Ollie. I don’t want him on the team either. But I still support him getting a chance to put up before getting his walking papers.

  Now, if he someone shows enough to earn a job, will have to deal with that if it happens!
  • Donal February 14, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Seriously, if Ollie does end up one of our best options to start, I may have to cry my way through the season.
• MetsMan86 February 14, 2011 at 1:51 pm

  Has anybody considered what would happen is Ollie shocks us all and comes out this spring training showing he finally wants to EARN a spot on a MLB roster? I HIGHLY doubt he wins a spot in the rotation, but if he at least shows improvment over what we saw last year (it couldn’t possibly get any worse than last year) does the team hold on to him in AAA? BTW, if the Mets assign him to AAA right of the ST, does he have to accept it as in it doesn’t count as sending him down?
  • alwaysnextyear February 14, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    no, they can not send him to AAA without his permission.

    I assume you mean he shows that he is busting his arse, and looking better, but still not good enough to entice another team to bite? If that is the case, and he doesn’t earn a retoation spot with the mets, then he will get cut.
• happy little mets fans February 14, 2011 at 1:59 pm

  YES, OLLIE PEREZ will be on the Mets this year!!!! doesn’t get any better than this!!! All you little metsies who think the metsies and your roid loivin new gm are wonderful send him love letters and thank him for keeping ollie perez on the metsies. SAVE THE WILPONS, KEEP OLLIE, KEEP CASTILLO….KEEP THE METS THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF BASEBALL FOREVER!!!!!!!!
  And most of all to all the funny posters who write how good this is, you are all hilarious. Thank you for the entertainment…..
• mets2012 February 14, 2011 at 4:41 pm

  OP will be the #2 starter behind Big Pelf.I’ve been saying this for awhile.
  I find it strange that nobody wanted to believe his injury story.
  You get hurt and lose your fast ball along with your mechanic and regain it after a year.
  Relax,guys….it is only Feb.
• Marla Hooch February 14, 2011 at 6:07 pm

  Let’s play Fantasy Island for one second.

  What if (I’m not saying it will happen but lets read all the responses saying I am saying it) Ollie and Castillo come to ST and knock the socks off everyone.

  Are Mets fans just going to yell get rid of them anyhow because they don’t “like” these guys or do they want the best guys on the team?

  Again, WHAT IF

  PS – it’s ST we can talk WHAT IF……….
  • JoeBourgeois February 15, 2011 at 1:53 am

    I cordially invite everyone whose logic breaks down to “The Mets must immediately release Perez and Castillo because I AM FULL OF BOILING RAGE” to get a life. And to never try to run anything more complicated than a push lawn mower.
    • Metsie February 15, 2011 at 10:00 am

      I wouldn’t give them a mower…Or a baby stroller….Too Dangerous for that lot! LOL

      Maybe a shopping cart full of cans would be ok!
  • Donal February 15, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Meh, still the entire body of work weighs against them. They would have to look phenominal this Spring. And remember, Ollie didn’t look so hot during winter ball.
  • Da Madd Genius February 15, 2011 at 11:32 am

    We can play what if. But I say the ifs don’t help. Ollie played winter ball and looked like crappy old Ollie. Luis at his absolute best is a slap hitter with creaky knees and NO power. Trading either one of them is the longest of shots, meanwhile reps and coaching attention is stolen away from guys who actually are a part of this team’s future. So yeah, I’m not yelling, cuz I’d like to keep it civil on these boards (I know, a long shot) but I’m saying yeah, cut them immediately, even if they’ve had good springs.
• Harry C February 15, 2011 at 10:36 am

  So lets see now. The Mets fired Omar with one of the major issues his bad singings, mainly of Ollie and Luis. Then he hired Sandy Alderson at the behest of his buddy Bud Selig and Sandy didn’t know how to release the two guys who were the main cause of Omar’s demise, and so he hired a flock of ex-GMs to help him out and now several months later we read how the poor manager has to deal with Oliver Perez. That guy who keeps writing here is right. The Mets are a joke. And the most amazing part is that there are drones here who defend this lack of guts, balls, leadership, support for the fans, whatever you want to call it. We can’t spend money on players but there is unlimited funding for GMs to do nothing. Met fans…the joke is on us… And if you buy a ticket to a Met home game, the joke is double on you. Here’s hoping the Wilpons are forced oput completely so this franchise has a chance. Can’t wait for the dopes to write that we pay them anyway. Well those guys don’t run a business. Because a buseiness knows it sometimes has to take a loss. Except this business. Come Madoff trust… Destroy the Wilpons.
  • Donal February 15, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Glad to see you fixed your Caps Lock, but your Stupid Key is still stuck on.
    • Metstheory22 February 15, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      I feel for you Donal.
      I agree with you. Alderson will wait as long as he can, since we are still going to doll out 18Million for Ollie and Castillo, before cutting or trading them both. As long as they are not on team Opening day, let them do what needs to be done. Maybe a Kansas City will think to take Ollie. Hell they took Kyle Farnsworth.
      • Donal February 16, 2011 at 8:49 am

        The Angels seem to be looking to pick up some salary.
  • Marla Hooch February 15, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    If you think Ollie and Castro were the main reasons why Omar was let go, then your keyboard should be taken away from you and you should be under the watchful eye of medical personnel as well as being heavily medicated.

    You keep saying the same thing over and over, The Mets are Joke, yet you come back every day to pontificate the same crap that makes no sense.
  • t agee February 15, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    A big part of the reason Omar was unsuccessful is because he had very little when he got here. True he had Reyes and Wright two young under team control future All Stars which is a huge stepping stone but he had to import so much help from outside for so many other positions, rotation, bench and pen.

    If the Wilpon’s had just signed some of the guys Mcillvaine drafted this team wouldn’t have has so many holes to fill.

    Now these guys that Mcillvaine identified as future major leaguers and drafted in rounds 10, 15, 40 and 43 aren’t anyone’s idea of Hall of Famers but they all put up good numbers during the mid 2000′s and they were all being paid about 500,000 instead of 15 Million.

    The numbers they produced were pretty similar to what the expensive free agents did and they played better defense, ran the basses better and due to being younger they didn’t break down toward the ends of their careers.

    They also didn’t take away from future years by costing early round draft picks and payroll by deferring salary onto future years budgets.

    Aaron Rowand was drafted by us in 1995, Garrett Atkins, Jeremy Guthrie and David DeJesus in 1996.

    It’s all moot now but Rowand could have played CF, Atkins 1B, Guthrie instead of Redding and David DeJesus in LF. That would have saved about 40 million dollars. If that 40 M was put on two front line aces we would have been able to withstand the loss Pedro, El-Duque and Trachsel before or in the playoffs and in fact negated the need to sign Ollie in the first place.

    Even if you don’t like any of these guys they still could have been traded for other players. Omar really didn’t have anything to work with except the owners check book.

    It was at least as much the Wilpon’s not signing players that we drafted that hamstrung Omar as the two bad contracts he doled out, one of which he most certainly wouldn’t have felt the need to hand out in the first place. He would most likely have collected the two picks after Ollie turned down arb and might have successfully addressed RF or added another future starting pitcher.

    Of course adhearing to the slotting recommendations wouldn’t have helped Omar draft the best talent or ensure that he would be able to sign it but that’s another story.
• Mr North Jersey February 15, 2011 at 11:01 am

  The thing that Collins said that I liked was the following,

  “Maybe you need a different role,’ ” Collins said of the meeting. “He said, ‘Well, if that’s what you want me to do.’ I said: ‘No, you have to want to do it. You have to buy into it. If you don’t, it’s not going to work.”

  He put it on Ollie’s shoulders so to speak.

  Now simply cut him or trade him cause he won’t be a $12M lefty coming out of the pen.
• Russell Zanca February 15, 2011 at 11:59 am

  My money’s on Boof!
• Joe D February 15, 2011 at 12:36 pm

  As most of you know I wanted no part of Collins as manager as I repeatedly said quite often during the hiring process. So far, I’ve been impressed with him and the way he has handled himself. Everyone deserves a second chance, or third chance in his case. We definitely needed a move vocal presence in the clubhouse and a manager whose not afraid to kick some butt if he has to, so I’m slowly warming up to Collins.
• XtreemIcon February 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm

  Let’s not forget who Ollie’s agent is. Ollie’s agent was just hired to represent the best second baseman in baseball, who happens to be entering final year of a guaranteed contract, albeit with two one-year team options afterwards. Maybe the Mets should be nice to Ollie and his agent, seeing as how he happens to represent a very large amount of the top talent in baseball. I forget who said it above, maybe yesterday, but giving Ollie enough rope to hang himself satisfies everyone.
  • metsaddict77 February 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    ollie has hung himself.i understand due diligence by the FO, but OP is a cancer. as long as he is on the roster he is a detriment to the team period.i would rather eat 12 mil. and rid myself of cancer.that’s just me.
    • XtreemIcon February 15, 2011 at 1:11 pm

      I’m inclined to agree, but neither the manager or the front office has seen him throw one pitch. So it’s a tough spot Omar put them in. And by “seen,” of course, I mean under their watch. No one really believes Perez will help in any way, and after he goes out there and gives uo four runs on five walks in the first two innings of his first start, he’ll be asked to pack his bags.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan February 15, 2011 at 1:27 pm

        Why the shot at Omar?

        You realize, no matter how you slice it, Omar also left Sandy with a very good lineup that he didn’t do much to improve upon either.

        Also yes they did see him pitch – in Winter Ball. If not Alderson himself, then certainly someone would have had to report for him, right?
        • XtreemIcon February 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm

          It wasn’t a shot at Omar, it was the truth. Omar gave him the contract, then Omar let him remain on the team after continued failures. Now a new management group comes in and has to evaluate all talent, which unfortunately includes a bad pitcher with a bad contract, because the “hiring” manager didn’t see fit to man up about it.

          And winter ball is a poor evaluation of talent. It’s not close to major league competition. You know that and I know you know that, so stop wasting my time. It’s just a tool for young kids to learn new positions and to stay in playing shape and for older hangers-on to try for that one last shot. John Halama comes to mind. Had a great winter ball last year and signed a minor league contract because of it. Jake Taylor, too. Played in the Mexican League and the Indians came calling. I know you remember that one.
          • METS62FAN February 16, 2011 at 9:10 am

            x, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS U BELIEVE IT WAS SOLELY oMAR’S DECISION TO KEEP oLLIE, mATSUI,cEDENO, & OTHERS WERE all CANDIDATES FOR RELEASES THAT NEVER,EVER CAME; HOWEVER THE ONE CONSTANT WAS wILPON.
            Perhapo u may ewant to reevaluate your blame/responsibility assessment. Check this out; but I belive since 1980 the ONLY large player contracts swallowed in Flushing were Foster & Bonilla. Bobby Bo barely qualifies as there was a timepay situation agreed to in lieu of lump sum payout. I have belived for some time that Fred believes, as many Depression era survivors do in NOT PAYING for undelivered goods/services.
        • Donal February 15, 2011 at 2:08 pm

          It can’t be that good if you want to dump the best player.
    • t agee February 15, 2011 at 1:32 pm

      If there was no reason to bring in competition for Ollie last year in ST like an extremely friendly 2/16 to Joel Pinero AND there wasn’t deemed a need to release him last season while the games mattered, what’s the rush now? Don’t worry, He’ll be gone.
• D.C. February 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

  He needs to go bye-bye.