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[...]The Mets’ current streak of 20 consecutive seasons without an 18-game winner is the second longest streak in baseball history. Sometimes I really hate doing research, especially when it paints the Mets in a negative light. … Mets Merized Online…

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:42:01 +0000

Was it the pitching that was bad or the batting? We had some good pitchers who got no run support when they were here only to see them go on to have success once they left.

The failure of Generation K and the trading of Kazmir also have a little bit to do with this.

And Tag take a look at the pitchers and note who they were with when they won those 20. Your going to find many were not with the team who drafted them or who they broke into the ML with. Most were either trades or Free Agents signed by winning teams.

We may not have gorwn that many but we certainly didn’t have the team that made buying any work either!

By: Carlos Alvarez

Carlos Alvarez — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:10:31 +0000

Ok you lost me. So who was the last pitcher to win 18 games Viola when he won 20?

By: t agee

t agee — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:46:52 +0000

When you don’t get the production you were expecting for whatever reason it can only be one persons fault. The GM. If your giving away a #1 draft choice for a 40 year old left fielder your making a concious decision to borrow from the future in expectation of it being worth it in the end. If it turns out not to be worth it….

Same as putting a rookie infielder in LF. Risk/reward, pro/con. No different than trading for an injured relief pitcher, giving up two high draft choices for a DH, giving away yet another #1 pick for a closer and committing up to 54 M for him.

Every decision a GM makes has to balance this year vs. subsequent years. Take into account best case and worse case, then plan for both, not just hope for the best.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:31:52 +0000

I think that you need to clarify that it is bad luck for the PITCHER that they did not win more games (Johan being the poster child). Having consistant poor offenses (though in many of those 20 years, they scored pelnty of runs) and weak BPs (other than a few years is poor planning and FO work just as much as it is bad luck (from a team perspective).

By: Joe D

Joe D — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:30:58 +0000

I loved this post Ed, and it gave me an idea for another one which I will post later today. Why are Mets always so prominent when the subject is futility on offense or pitching? One look at the fact we have never tossed a no-hitter or won an MVP in almost 50 years is a testament to our futility. So sad and pathetic, but I still love our Metsies. Losing builds character they say.

By: 86mets

86mets — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:50:17 +0000

Look at the list and you’ll find 4 pitchers who won 18 or more either before joining the Mets (Appier & Santana) or after leaving the Mets (Rogers & Schourek). But really, getting 18 wins is more a product of run support by the team than poor pitching. You really cannot say the Mets over the last 20 years have, as a team, pitched poorly. Johan Santana surely would have broken that streak in 2008 had he not had several leads blown by the bullpen. I would argue the Mets current streak of no 18 game winners is more bad luck brought on by poor run support and/or bullpen meltdowns. For many of the past 20 years the Mets have had plenty of pitchers capable of winning 18 or more (Pedro, Johan, Glavine, Leiter, Cone just to name a few). But in each case either health, poor run support, or bad bullpens, or a combination of all 3 have kept any of them from reaching that level of victories in a single season. That’s got to change sooner or later.

By: any

any — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:06:38 +0000

just do it this year and get it over with.

hell, throw the NH too and get off that snide.

they threw at least 2 1-hitters last year, so why not?

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:57:48 +0000

The Mets definitely have to end their streak before they set the record then.

By: Ed Leyro

Ed Leyro — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:37:09 +0000

Just found another team that went longer than the Expos/Nationals! Believe it or not, until Roy Halladay won 21 games for the Phillies last year, no Phillie had won as many as 18 games since John Denny won 19 games (and the Cy Young Award) for the 1983 NL Champion Phillies. That represents a 27-year gap, two years longer than the Expos/Nationals.

By: any

any — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:35:20 +0000

still more amazing that after 50 years, still without a no hitter.

By: francis

francis — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:58:39 +0000

who cares ?

how long has it been since a team that only had one pitcher with more than 13 wins and no pitchers with more than 16 wins won the world series ?

4 months.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:23:41 +0000

Not to worry we will end that streak this year.

By: Ed Leyro

Ed Leyro — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:16:45 +0000

Amazingly, that Expos/Nationals streak is the longest in baseball history. Even those dreadful Phillies and Braves teams from the early 19th century and those horrible Cleveland Indians teams always had at least one 18-game winner every 25 years. The Mets’ current streak of 20 consecutive seasons without an 18-game winner is the second longest streak in baseball history. Sometimes I really hate doing research, especially when it paints the Mets in a negative light.

By: t agee

t agee — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:58:00 +0000

Very embarrassing, especially since we draft a pitcher who washes out almost every 1st 2nd and 3rd round when we have a pick.

I also couldn’t help but notice 5 of those pitchers mentioned played for us as well, not AS well of course since there seems to be a rule around here against ever getting a players best years in OUR uniform. it’s amazing there really haven’t been more than 5 with Pedro, El-Duque, Livan, Viola, Saberhagen, Glavine, Hampton, Harnish, Tanana.

Capuano will make 6 if he starts a game this year. Let’s hope he becomes the exception.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:53:05 +0000

Cool! Thanks Ed.

By: Ed Leyro

Ed Leyro — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:49:30 +0000

The longest current streak belongs to the Expos/Nationals. They’ve now gone 25 seasons since Bryn Smith won 18 games for the Expos in 1985. Trying to find the longest such streak in baseball history…

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:34:47 +0000

Since 1990?

Wow I wonder what is the record for longest consecutive seasons without an 18 game winner?

By: Gina

Gina — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:42:28 +0000

That is so mind boggling. And the sad part is we’ve always played half our games in a pitchers park. This is very embarassing.