Comments on: Odds Are Albert Pujols And Cards Will Agree On Extension

By: sarge

sarge — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:50:28 +0000

Really need to write the obvious, you think?

Cards knew when they gave that big, ridiculous contract to Holliday that Pujols was coming for his and the fact that you have Vernon Wells, who was the GM then; Riccard?, making $21 million and he is nowhere the player that Pujols is just means that Cards need to bring in the Brinks Truck(S) cause this will be a massive contract, for a 31 year old.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:45:45 +0000

f’ing shocker actually. The entire foundation of my faith has been shaken.

By: Donal

Donal — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:30:16 +0000

Wow, what a player and FO said to the media was not indicative of what was actually happenin in closed door meetings revolving around $100 million deals.

Shocking.

By: Donal

Donal — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:31:19 +0000

You can’t do two things at once when doing something for A directly negates all the work you are doing in B.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:19:30 +0000

I’d prefer that. I’m hesitant to ever trade the farm for a rental, then pay out the nose for him, too. The exception was Johan, because the Mets didn’t trade the farm, they trimmed the fat.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:14:16 +0000

i’d consider it, sure

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:48:36 +0000

Bayonne, would you consider the possibility of trying to sign Pujols on the open market in the offseason? And keeping young players in the process?

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:52:54 +0000

If Ike Davis is hitting .209 with 10 HRs in June and is sent down then I can see the Pujols talk gaining momentum. But if Ike is hitting .285 w/20 HRs by the time June rolls around and has had big hits in big spots and becoming a homegrown star then I don’t see it happening. Especially since you’ll be having great production and an outstanding glove already at 1B you can use that King’s Ransom or less to get that difference in offense from another position.
Also if the latter scenario unfolds I’m betting it would NOT be a popular move among the fanbase to trade an emerging homegrown star for anyone when you can get that difference in offense from another position so I don’t think ticket sales would be an issue and you’ll still have those millions you would have spent on Pujols still in tow for other moves. That’s my early call on it if I was the GM.

By: Harry C

Harry C — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:21:13 +0000

You are right on this one jessup.. The Mets get a Pujols and they are no longer the irrelevant team in NYC. As for your last sentence however, if Alderson can’t do two things then he shouldn’t have been hired. It is absolutely ridiculous that a guy with his vast expereience, vast intelligence and vast staff of GMs can”t do two things. You prove why he shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.

By: jessep

jessep — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:54:23 +0000

I dont want to go get Pujols no questions ask. What I said Bayonne was to say you wouldn’t go near him, as in not even test the waters is just plain dumb.

Ike Davis is a nice player but he doesn’t carry Pujols’ jock. And he has value that you could go out and get something worth having if you did sign Pujols.

You have always said you want clutch, veteran presence, winners, and guys who put butts in the seats. So the hypothetical idea of getting the best player in the sport comes around and you say “not interested”? That just proves to me you have no idea what you want, except you need to complain.

If Albert Pujols was a Met from age 31-36, they’d sell out their season tickets, he’d make a guy like Wright a better player, and there would be a legit buzz at Citi Field like the one at Shea in 99 and 00.

Now, if acquiring Pujols means Alderson cannot go about retooling the farm and focusing on the future while winning in the present, then I agree, let Pujols go else where.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:18:30 +0000

I usually try not to direct a coment at another poster but uh. Apples and oranges bud Piazza did not sign a ten year deal with the Mets and he was a better hitter than Pujols to that point.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:42:33 +0000

either that or they figured he was going to leave, and grabbed the best option they saw to try and win while he was here, and replace him once he is gone. Heck, who knows, maybe they had already made the decision not to tie up that much payroll on a guy his age, and are playing a shell game with the fans? of course, they signed Holliday for the same ages pretty much…

By: sarge

sarge — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:29:30 +0000

Personally, I have no inside stuff, I think Cards thought that with all the community work that Albert does in the St. Louis area and his having been with team his whole career they figured he would give them a “RIGHT” home town discount but had to know they were going to tie up a lot of the payroll on him and Holliday plus whatever pitchers they keep.

Poor planning by someone, me thinks.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:08:36 +0000

1st I want to thank Craig Lerner for this post.

It was a nice change of pace discussing hypotheticals involving if in a year from now the Mets should or would go after Pujols rather than what has been discussed of late which I won’t even name.

My personal opinion is not knowing where the Mets will be a year from now especially regarding the development of some of the Baby Mets then add to that the huge cashload it will probably take to sign 1 player (yes even though he is probably the best position player in MLB) I just don’t envision Alderson going down this road.

It just doesn’t seem like with all the question marks at 2B,CF,RF to name a few plus SS and how they deal with Reyes this season. Add to that not knowing what Thole will be in 2011 or even Ike. there’s just to many variables for me to even consider hypothetically if Pujols is worth seeking.

I want to see what Ike can do in 2011 plus what Duda and some other kids can do as they develop.

I will say though that “IF” ever you wanna spend a ridiculous amount of cash then spending it on arguably the best position player in mlb is not a bad way to do it.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:05:33 +0000

Harry, you gotta have 6-8 bare minimum good players from your farm at any one time to avoid making all these trades and FA signings for all these old players.

14 of the 25 2006 Mets were 32-47 years old. Where you going with that?

How are you going to get a front line ace or 3 without the farm to trade for one? Fewer and fewer of them will be getting to free agency and the one’s that do will have a lot of competition.

The steroid era is over. Younger position players cost less, go year to year contract wise, get hurt less, have their best years, play better D, run the bases better and (according to my Wife, look better and therefore sell more tickets) So there, even the female fan agrees.

Aren’t you tired of getting the worst years of every player we get?

By: Harry C

Harry C — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:46:40 +0000

agee you really should run a minor league club because that is all you care about and harp about is minor leaguers.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:45:59 +0000

Yeah but tying up 25, 30 35? million in one player is clearly not the move for any team that isn’t one player away and there aren’t too many of them. Who that could pay that even needs a first basemen? Philly, NYY, Boston are locked up there. LAA, LAD or perhaps Washington? No one else could both afford him and could justify the move base on need. Prince might seem like a bargain at a 1/2 of Alberts cost.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:38:53 +0000

Not only that..another thing I forgot to add in my last post is if Ike becomes a 25-40 HR a year guy, which IN MY OPINION he has a good chance of becoming and I will take that chance…..the difference in HRs to a declining but still effective Pujols could be 10-20 HRs a year.

You could make up that production from another player either our own or via trade after this season. So a lot can happen between now and then, we even haven’t started this season yet.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:33:33 +0000

I agree that Ike can easily be a 30 HR player once he gets settled in (as in, 2012+). Not sure of course how much citifield will impact the chances, but he has proven that he can hit a ball a long, long way.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:31:28 +0000

the only other signing close to this one would be Beltran (well, santana too though technically not a FA). those aren’t the deals really that will kill a team. It is spending too much money on average or less (perez, bay) and the crap like Alou that cost a pick.

it would be hard to argue against adding what is probably the best position player in MLB to the team.

at some point, it isn’t about contract/payroll but getting the best possible talent and winning games.