Mets Won’t Pay More than $1.5 Million on Next Starter

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• Mr North Jersey January 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm

  If I asked if there is a difference between “will not pay” and “don’t want to pay” what do you think most would say?
  • t agee January 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    MNJ, Only desired leaks come out of the new front office. I think Alderson is just managing expectations for a few agents and will see which one(s) stay in contact.
    • Mr North Jersey January 7, 2011 at 10:41 pm

      Im going to be honest T Agee. Your reply kind of came out of left field in regards to what I was expecting but having read what you said I would not be surprised if that is the case.
      • t agee January 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm

        MNJ, As long as anything we do doesn’t cost prospects, deferred dollars or draft choices I’m cool with it. If we could get someone who re-establishes themselves and have them for 2 years and they turned into a Type A FA I would be ecstatic.
        • Mr North Jersey January 7, 2011 at 11:06 pm

          LoL you should make that your signature T Agee

          T Agee
          -As long as it doesn’t cost the Mets prospects, deferred dollars or draft choices I am a happy Mets fan.
          • t agee January 7, 2011 at 11:13 pm

            For now MNJ. After we build up, we can build out.
            • Mr North Jersey January 7, 2011 at 11:16 pm

              LoL be careful how you use build I don’t recall who but I had someone explain to me how architecturally one builds.
    • METS62FAN January 9, 2011 at 8:00 am

      T, very astute pobservation, as well as does anyone other than their respective agent see either Francis or Ypoung as more than just gambles as a rotation regular? As such I fully support limiting the gambling allocation; if either were coming off a successful “show me” season, than certainly the 1.5 is low; Dickey was, to me, much more of a certainty & got less last yr. RA featured a unique pitch that hadn’t been featured as a reg offering for over 10 yrs in the NL since Tom Candiotie retired. & RA was totally healthy.
      No, I don’t anticipate another Dickey lervel suprise bargain; but if the outcome is much more doubtful, why in the world would I put more money on the betting line getting shorter odds on a longershot gamble.
      Perhaps this is the seasion we try to act like a sober reg team’s spending not a NYer on a bender.
      • t agee January 9, 2011 at 10:03 am

        Yeah ’62, Not worth a big financial committment. Some of these injury rehab cases should understand that THEY are making the financial commitment and THEY will be reaping the reward if all goes right. I don’t mind the incentive and I’d love the club option if someone is going to be a free agent the following year.
• JerryG15 January 7, 2011 at 10:23 pm

  “heard”………..no source, no nothing……just “heard”………nuff said…

  Let the panic, assumptions, bashing, cheap comments begin…….
• oldtimer January 7, 2011 at 10:24 pm

  Gorzelanny,? anybody? What’s he making? Martinez or Duda for Gorzelanny? Does that work?
  • alwaysnextyear January 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    I would not mind taking a shot at Gorzo. But, I have not the faintest clue what he will fetch in return. I don’t believe he is making all that much.
• metsman4u January 7, 2011 at 11:28 pm

  Love the Mets.
• Harry C January 8, 2011 at 8:54 am

  I want to congratulate the Wilpons and Alderson for the successful brainwashing of this fan base. People posting here are fans, are they not, or they posting as CPAs? As fans, aren’t we supposed to want the best possible players on our team, or at least better players than we have today or better options of all the options on the market? Well, it seems that the only topic is the salary. Nobody here writes about this guy is better than that guy!!! You don’t even care about talent on the team!!!!!! The Wilpons and the GMs have convinced you that the only thing that matters is the Wilpon bank account. Does it matter sure…But you have made it the only thing that mattters. Do you guys even care anymore about whtether your team is going to win any games? I don’t think so. Even agee who wants the worlds best farm system is going to Met games to buy beer!!! He doesn’t mention the team or the game, just the beer and the beer lines. Guess what agee, there is better beer and cheaper beer to buy almost everywhere outside the Mets park. The Wilpons are the only winners here.
  • JerryG15 January 8, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I would like to congratulate you for writing the same rehashed crap day in and day out. Must be a day ending in Y when you come here and insult those that don’t agree with you and actually realize that people actually do believe the GM may be putting this team in a position to be succesful long term and that bandaids don’t actually work, as witnessed for the past many years.

    If people don’t agree with you,they are brainwashed and drinking kool-aid.

    Since you are the only one that knows how to run the team, only one that knows how to be a fan, when will I see the Press Conference of you as the new Owner, Gm, Manager and Starting Pitcher.
  • Mr North Jersey January 8, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Harry the problem you have is simply coming to grips that it is not about putting the best team on the field this year. It is about evaluating, removing where needed, and building back up a winning team for years to come. You may not like it but that won’t change what is happening so you can complain or wait to see how things unfold.
    • Da Madd Genius January 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm

      Harry certainly can complain! Any time a team that got its new stadium built off my tax dollars and charges the price it does for tickets, putting the best product on the field should always be the #1 priority. The fact that that can be discussed openly as something that isn’t the first order of business is completely disgusting. I have no choice to wait and see how things unfold, but I do have a choice in whether I spend 1 cent on the Mets this year, since they clearly aren’t holding up their end of the bargain
      • Mr North Jersey January 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm

        You are exactly right you do not have to spend one cent and I am not suggesting you should for the record. You are also allowed to complain all you want I am suggesting that keep in mind no matter how much you complain nothing will change.

        If you don’t like that they don’t make in 2011 a priority to put the best team on the field after they built a stadium with some of your tax dollars then you can call the office up and let them know as well but again nothing will change the way the F.O. is proceeding this point forward so you can waste your breath complaining about something you can’t change or you can enjoy the Mets as much as you can and wait to see if Alderson can build something you can be proud of for years to come.

        Like everything the choice is yours.
        • Da Madd Genius January 8, 2011 at 7:20 pm

          Indeed I respect that you understand my rights, but what I can also hope is that someone involved with the team will read these boards. Obviously, Sandy knows the power of the blogs because he released a missive directly to them earlier. While it looks hopeless from my point of view right now, I won’t give up trying to influence a team I love to do RIGHT by their fans like the other local team does. Whether it is through showing them how a real big market team does, explaining that as the fans whose backs their shiny new stadium was built on, or simply trying to shame the owners into giving the franchise to someone dedicated to winning… I’ll continue to post because it does have an effect
          • Mr North Jersey January 8, 2011 at 7:23 pm

            Yea whatever it’s your time. you wanna hit your head against a wall and call it making progress then by all means knock yourself out and keep posting.
• t agee January 8, 2011 at 10:42 am

  One of the biggest problems in recent years has been the idea that with a few of the players who become available either through FA or trade we can contend for a World Championship.

  For 25 years now we have scoured the list every off season and decided that Eddie Murray, Roberto Alomar, Roger Cedeno, Vince Coleman, Jeremy Burnitz, Bobby Bonilla (twice), Brett Saberhagen, Darryl Boston, Moises Alou, Rickey Henderson, Derek Bell, Richard Hildago, Mo Vaughn, Brian McRae, Gary Sheffield, GMJ, Tony Phillips, Trot Nixon, Shawn Greene, Luis, Castillo, Billy Wagner were our best option. Why? Because we never have anyone coming up through the farm system.

  Sure we have on occasion come up with the occasional good pickup like John Olerud, and Robin Ventura, or even the brilliant pick up Mike Piazza but let’s be serious. Who in their right mind can say that we have made good choices in regard to available or possibly available players?

  I wish I had a nickel for every time someone defended a terrible signing or trade with the following statement “But who else were we going to get to play 2B, LF, RF, CF, C ect.” What kind of a defense is that? That’s not a defense, that’s an indictment of the way the Wilpon’s have run this team for a quarter of a century. Think about it. “Who else were we going to get?” That means it’s OK with a certain somewhat large percentage of the Fan Base that we never have any options other than who ever just so happens to be a FA or available on the trade market.

  Most teams will take a proactive approach to filling positions BEFORE they get to the point of “well who else were we going to get to play there?” For instance, if you thought it was a good idea to sign Moises Alou at 40 years old and voluntarily hand over your #1 draft choice OK, I disagree but I cannot deny that when healthy he played very well but I ask you wouldn’t it really have been a much smarter, wiser and in the long run, far more beneficial to have scouted, drafted and developed a LFer for the future immediately after signing Cliff Floyd so we would have had a few in the hopper and that when the time came one would have fought his way to the top and forced his way up here? Instead of having a LFer that we had groomed to take Cliff’s place we had to spend a #1 pick (and 15 million dollars) on a 40 year old, follow that experiment with moving a rookie infielder there and then spend a 2nd round pick and 80 Million dollars to address the same position. That’s 3 free agents and one out of position rookie to play one position over a 10 year period. HARRY, I don’t hear you complaining about this nonsense. How about 2B? 24 different players (2 more coming this year) have played 2B for us since Alfonzo left (without being offered arb by the shortsighted Wilpon) We have addressed THAT need twice in 10 years through free agency, not to mention twice in big trades with the Indians previously and still needed 22 other guys to fill in because our choices were so bad and the players so frequently injured. And it’s all because of the same exact reason. “who else were we going to get to play 2B?”

  I could go on and on with every single position except two. Which ones do you ask? Well that would be SS and 3B. Why? Why do you think we haven’t had to go into free agency to find someone to play those positions?

  Doesn’t anyone understand that continuity is an important ingredient to a winning team? It provides stability and a solid core so you only risk making a mistake through FA on a couple of positions, not most of them. How many bad decisions did the Yankees NOT make at SS, C, Closer, starting pitcher and CF through the years because they had Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Petite and Bernie? How many guys did come to the Yankees who felt the need to “fit in” to that established core?

  Well I am going to Citi many times this year and I will have a bite to eat and a few beers, buy a t-shirt and take as many people there as I can because this is the best chance we have ever had to get a TEAM together where the defense of a player in a particular spot is not “well who else were we going to get to play there.”

  The fan has to shift their thinking on team building away from THIS YEAR and start thinking about THIS DECADE because the quick fix move that goes wrong does effect your future ability to compete. We could have had an entirely different player at 2B the last couple of years and certainly in 2008 alone that would have made a big difference.

  The steroid era is over. Most free agents become available at 30 years of age. Almost their entire FA contract will be after their prime physical years are over. They are more prone to injury and are soon to be in decline. The best free agents are locked up BEFORE they get to FA, either by their own team or by a trade for prospects which only makes your farm system MORE valuable. The farm produces the players that play the best AND cost the least which allows you to have MORE players that play well and LESS players that don’t.

  It’s time for you dinosaurs out there to change your thinking. Neither you nor anyone else can fix this organization like it was some kind of a fantasy baseball team. Change your thinking from win one and crash to competing for one every year and you will get a few of them but it’s going to take time because the fantasy approach has sucked the future out of this team for 25 years. 25 years of being the most mismanaged team in all of sports history cannot be changed in two and a half months.
  • t agee January 8, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    So Madd Man, You were happy paying money to watch Castillo, Perez, Sullivan, Cora, Jacobs, GMJ, Feliciano, Sheffield, Cattalonotto, Reed and Carter and NOW your upset?
    • Mr North Jersey January 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm

      I guess as a fan you dont need much to say you don’t want to watch a Mets game at Citi. Heck he could simply say he wishes the stadium be named Shea II and wont go until they change the name any reason to deny yourself going will suffice.
• Bob L January 8, 2011 at 10:50 am

  Just fyi, there’s a humorous/uplifting article in today’s NYT sports section on the Mets building a ‘brainy’ pitching staff, titled “Mets Try to Be Brainy With Pitching Staff” by David Waldstein, pg D4. Very enjoyable…and writer implies Mets may get Chris Young. i hope he knows something.
  • Mr North Jersey January 8, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Saw that Bob thanks.