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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117425</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya, you write on the internet. You&#039;re just not going to make some people happy. 

there are people that you turn around and directly parrot everything they say, and they will still slam you. It&#039;s just a relaity you have to deal with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, you write on the internet. You&#8217;re just not going to make some people happy. </p>
<p>there are people that you turn around and directly parrot everything they say, and they will still slam you. It&#8217;s just a relaity you have to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: OklahomaMetFan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117404</link>
		<dc:creator>OklahomaMetFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, you do a great job here.  Don&#039;t let one boy&#039;s opinion like bay&#039;s derail what you write.  Please keep it up and I&#039;ll keep reading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, you do a great job here.  Don&#8217;t let one boy&#8217;s opinion like bay&#8217;s derail what you write.  Please keep it up and I&#8217;ll keep reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Kramer67</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kramer67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, dont let Bayonne deter you from writing what you believe. Dont give him a hollow victory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, dont let Bayonne deter you from writing what you believe. Dont give him a hollow victory.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117359</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m on board with this as well. He could actually fill a couple roles resonably well. A Utility Pitcher, if you will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on board with this as well. He could actually fill a couple roles resonably well. A Utility Pitcher, if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Lerner</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117350</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Lerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bayonne, I was very shocked to find my name in the thread of another writers thread.

When Joe D. first discussed the writer opening with me he gave me a word of warning. He told me that a solid 75% of the readership at MMO are not saber fans and that 50% of the readership was 40+ years old. He also told me that I needed to have a very thick skin to blog on MMO or otherwise I should think about writing for another site.

My response to him was not to worry because although I love and use advanced metrics all the time, I&#039;m not combative about it and thought I would fit in well with the other great bloggers on this site.

To my surprise you have been on my case since my first post 8 weeks ago and I wish I knew why. It may come as a surprise to you but I actually love baseball and love the Mets and watch every single game each season just like you do. 

As a show of good faith, on a couple of occasions I took your suggestions and started including batting average into my posts alongside OBP although I&#039;m not a true believer in Avg. 

I also started using at-bats and RBI&#039;s as well just so my posts will have a broader appeal and because you seemed to have a big problem with my omission of them in my earlier posts. 

I did this because I wanted to try and be accepted in this very unique MMO community and to show you that I&#039;m not at all confrontational or overly defensive about how I choose to evaluate players. 

It seems that no matter how hard I try to show you that I&#039;m not out to get old-schoolers like you, you seem to have the perception that my posts are somehow an attack on that philosophy. 

For some reason you continue to come after me for things I may have said or opinions I may have shared, and I just want you to know that it has never been my intention to knock you, your philosophy or anyone or anything else in my posts. I haven&#039;t even written one post on sabermetrics. All I do is post and comment on Mets news like everyone else and maybe share a different opinion occasionally. I don&#039;t think I need to be taken to task for that.

I hope that in the future you can see that I am a true die hard Mets fan just like you, and that we can coexist with out having to resort to the idea that I have some sort of an agenda on this site because the fact is that I don&#039;t.

I have been a big fan of this site for many years and even though I didn&#039;t always agree with Joe D. or some of the other writers, I respected the fact that we could all have intelligent debate about the Mets, a team we all have equal passion for.

Anyway, I just felt I needed to get that off my chest and I hope that in the future you will respect my opinions just as I respect yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayonne, I was very shocked to find my name in the thread of another writers thread.</p>
<p>When Joe D. first discussed the writer opening with me he gave me a word of warning. He told me that a solid 75% of the readership at MMO are not saber fans and that 50% of the readership was 40+ years old. He also told me that I needed to have a very thick skin to blog on MMO or otherwise I should think about writing for another site.</p>
<p>My response to him was not to worry because although I love and use advanced metrics all the time, I&#8217;m not combative about it and thought I would fit in well with the other great bloggers on this site.</p>
<p>To my surprise you have been on my case since my first post 8 weeks ago and I wish I knew why. It may come as a surprise to you but I actually love baseball and love the Mets and watch every single game each season just like you do. </p>
<p>As a show of good faith, on a couple of occasions I took your suggestions and started including batting average into my posts alongside OBP although I&#8217;m not a true believer in Avg. </p>
<p>I also started using at-bats and RBI&#8217;s as well just so my posts will have a broader appeal and because you seemed to have a big problem with my omission of them in my earlier posts. </p>
<p>I did this because I wanted to try and be accepted in this very unique MMO community and to show you that I&#8217;m not at all confrontational or overly defensive about how I choose to evaluate players. </p>
<p>It seems that no matter how hard I try to show you that I&#8217;m not out to get old-schoolers like you, you seem to have the perception that my posts are somehow an attack on that philosophy. </p>
<p>For some reason you continue to come after me for things I may have said or opinions I may have shared, and I just want you to know that it has never been my intention to knock you, your philosophy or anyone or anything else in my posts. I haven&#8217;t even written one post on sabermetrics. All I do is post and comment on Mets news like everyone else and maybe share a different opinion occasionally. I don&#8217;t think I need to be taken to task for that.</p>
<p>I hope that in the future you can see that I am a true die hard Mets fan just like you, and that we can coexist with out having to resort to the idea that I have some sort of an agenda on this site because the fact is that I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I have been a big fan of this site for many years and even though I didn&#8217;t always agree with Joe D. or some of the other writers, I respected the fact that we could all have intelligent debate about the Mets, a team we all have equal passion for.</p>
<p>Anyway, I just felt I needed to get that off my chest and I hope that in the future you will respect my opinions just as I respect yours.</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah I agree. I think the Mets should have re-signed Tak. But by all acounts he wanted to start, and only start. And if you watched him last year, he basicly is a 4-6 inning guy max. After the 2nd or 3rd time through a line up he would get lit up. Or be at 100 pitches through 5. If would have accepted a BP role, Tak would be a guy I&#039;d give a 2 year, 8 mil contract to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I agree. I think the Mets should have re-signed Tak. But by all acounts he wanted to start, and only start. And if you watched him last year, he basicly is a 4-6 inning guy max. After the 2nd or 3rd time through a line up he would get lit up. Or be at 100 pitches through 5. If would have accepted a BP role, Tak would be a guy I&#8217;d give a 2 year, 8 mil contract to.</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117250</link>
		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people on this site would complain about having the winning powerball ticket!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people on this site would complain about having the winning powerball ticket!</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117249</link>
		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually it is relevant. LOLiver will not be in the starting 5 this year. If he even makes the team out of ST he will be in the BP. So I would take Tank over LOLiver anyday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is relevant. LOLiver will not be in the starting 5 this year. If he even makes the team out of ST he will be in the BP. So I would take Tank over LOLiver anyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy2cat</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-117120</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy2cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would characterize many of Alderson&#039;s moves as &quot;cautious,&quot;, which is understandable given the mess that he inherited.

My concern is that the Mets were penny-wise pound-foolish in their failure to re-sign Takahashi, who is an experienced lefty, effective in a variety of roles and, by all accounts, a pleasure to have around.  To think we could have had him around for three years for less money than one of Ollie&#039;s years, and declined to do so, is difficult for me to accept.

Hence, I am less than enthusiastic about the Tankersly signing.  I recall never having fear when he took the mound against the Mets.  That&#039;s really all I recall about him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would characterize many of Alderson&#8217;s moves as &#8220;cautious,&#8221;, which is understandable given the mess that he inherited.</p>
<p>My concern is that the Mets were penny-wise pound-foolish in their failure to re-sign Takahashi, who is an experienced lefty, effective in a variety of roles and, by all accounts, a pleasure to have around.  To think we could have had him around for three years for less money than one of Ollie&#8217;s years, and declined to do so, is difficult for me to accept.</p>
<p>Hence, I am less than enthusiastic about the Tankersly signing.  I recall never having fear when he took the mound against the Mets.  That&#8217;s really all I recall about him.</p>
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		<title>By: MetsMan86</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsMan86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 05:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how anyone could hate on this move. Very low risk with the minor league contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how anyone could hate on this move. Very low risk with the minor league contract.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116987</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No it&#039;s not.  Tried and true principles like building through your farm system rather than signing ever Moises, Ollie, Jason or Luis that just so happens to be available]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not.  Tried and true principles like building through your farm system rather than signing ever Moises, Ollie, Jason or Luis that just so happens to be available</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116986</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You see Bayonne just has a problem with them not spending as he said &quot;8-10 million&quot;.

It&#039;s OK if he feels they haven&#039;t spent enough I think fans have been saying the Mets don&#039;t spend enough for the longest time now. Why should this year be any different?

I myself have complained about spending in years past.

The difference now is that weighing where we are already in payroll and seeing that just because they spend money doesn&#039;t mean much based on the results of the past few years. I am OK to allow the Alderson era to do things the way they want and see if they can garner better results in the next few years.

I call it &quot;patience&quot; I am sure others have a different name for it.

In any event I think a fan wanting the team to spend is what a fan is entitled to if they wish but also allowing a new GM time to implement a system his way should be recognized as well.

1 cents worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see Bayonne just has a problem with them not spending as he said &#8220;8-10 million&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s OK if he feels they haven&#8217;t spent enough I think fans have been saying the Mets don&#8217;t spend enough for the longest time now. Why should this year be any different?</p>
<p>I myself have complained about spending in years past.</p>
<p>The difference now is that weighing where we are already in payroll and seeing that just because they spend money doesn&#8217;t mean much based on the results of the past few years. I am OK to allow the Alderson era to do things the way they want and see if they can garner better results in the next few years.</p>
<p>I call it &#8220;patience&#8221; I am sure others have a different name for it.</p>
<p>In any event I think a fan wanting the team to spend is what a fan is entitled to if they wish but also allowing a new GM time to implement a system his way should be recognized as well.</p>
<p>1 cents worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s too far down the rabbit hole for me xtreem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s too far down the rabbit hole for me xtreem</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116978</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Bayonne found us out.  Craig and I are actually the same person posting under different names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Bayonne found us out.  Craig and I are actually the same person posting under different names.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[xtreem i guess your supposed to answer for lerner&#039;s quotes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xtreem i guess your supposed to answer for lerner&#8217;s quotes</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116972</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what you took from that comment?  Your head is so far gone against sabermetrics, you&#039;ve lost all coherency.  But hey, at least you&#039;re not hypocritical or anything.  What with you putting words in other people&#039;s mouths after screaming at anyone who&#039;d listen not to put words in yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what you took from that comment?  Your head is so far gone against sabermetrics, you&#8217;ve lost all coherency.  But hey, at least you&#8217;re not hypocritical or anything.  What with you putting words in other people&#8217;s mouths after screaming at anyone who&#8217;d listen not to put words in yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116970</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should point out that it was Craig Lerner who coined the term &quot;tried and true principles&quot;

&quot;As the Mets enter into a new era with a brand new philosophy based on tried and true principles, lets hope that it never happens again&quot;

tried and true principles is another way of saying sabermetrics and moneyball philosophy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should point out that it was Craig Lerner who coined the term &#8220;tried and true principles&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As the Mets enter into a new era with a brand new philosophy based on tried and true principles, lets hope that it never happens again&#8221;</p>
<p>tried and true principles is another way of saying sabermetrics and moneyball philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116969</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who said anything was tried and true?  The only thing that&#039;s tried and true is throwing tens of millions of dollars at old, declining players who &quot;unluckily&quot; miss half the season due to injury with no suitable replacement.  It&#039;s been the MO of this team for far too long and while Sandy&#039;s plan might not work, at least it&#039;s the antithesis of the plan we KNOW doesn&#039;t work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything was tried and true?  The only thing that&#8217;s tried and true is throwing tens of millions of dollars at old, declining players who &#8220;unluckily&#8221; miss half the season due to injury with no suitable replacement.  It&#8217;s been the MO of this team for far too long and while Sandy&#8217;s plan might not work, at least it&#8217;s the antithesis of the plan we KNOW doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116968</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh yeah because perez spent a lot of time starting games last year didnt he. you forget when manuel sent him to the back of the bullpen where no one could find him and brought him out when there was no one else left to pitch like the game in LA when he gave up the walk off. he was just a useless roster spot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah because perez spent a lot of time starting games last year didnt he. you forget when manuel sent him to the back of the bullpen where no one could find him and brought him out when there was no one else left to pitch like the game in LA when he gave up the walk off. he was just a useless roster spot</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/making-sense-of-the-tankersley-signing.html#comment-116967</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In New York City, if spending 8-10 million more is gonna effect this alleged &quot;long-term success&quot; story using alleged &quot;tried and true principles&#039; as one person wrote here before then that&#039;s a principle i don&#039;t want to buy into.  Especially considering this team had a nucleus to compete for the Wild Card to begin with.

I&#039;ll give you this though, maybe Sandy  figures now that Philly has the best rotation in baseball then maybe he can throw in the towel for 2011 and save more of that money to sign high end draft picks.

Tried and true? Since when?  Only one World Series and that was in the 80s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In New York City, if spending 8-10 million more is gonna effect this alleged &#8220;long-term success&#8221; story using alleged &#8220;tried and true principles&#8217; as one person wrote here before then that&#8217;s a principle i don&#8217;t want to buy into.  Especially considering this team had a nucleus to compete for the Wild Card to begin with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you this though, maybe Sandy  figures now that Philly has the best rotation in baseball then maybe he can throw in the towel for 2011 and save more of that money to sign high end draft picks.</p>
<p>Tried and true? Since when?  Only one World Series and that was in the 80s.</p>
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