Kranepool Only Watches Mets When They Have A Good Product

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• Squidoo January 13, 2011 at 11:03 am

  Very interesting. It seems Ed Kranepool is saying the same things Ive been saying for the last two months regarding making moves and keeping up with the Phillies. This low market offseason approach and curbing spending dont fly in a big market city like New York, even with a seasoned veteran like Kranepool. I guess that makes him a bad Mets fan. Shame on you Ed! How dare you speak the truth!
  • Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:35 am

    So, what team have you been rooting for the last 3 years? The Yankees? Or did you spring for a Ryan Howard jersey?

    “I root for a team that is winning” Ya, great attitude for a fan.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 11:39 am

      So fans who have a different opinion entirely of how the off season should be going for the Mets should root for another team? yeah, ok.
      • Donal January 13, 2011 at 12:01 pm

        Well, if you agree with Kranepool’s sentiment of only rooting for teams that win and the Mets haven’t been winning recently, what other conclusion can be drawn?
        • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm

          He’s saying it out of anger?
          • Donal January 13, 2011 at 12:22 pm

            So what? Are you saying we should then dismiss what he said?
  • Cliff January 13, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I have been a met fan since 1969. I agree with Ed and I am a true blue Met fan.This has nothing to do with being patient I am very patient, it has to do with management and their abilty to spend money(and eat contracts through bad trades). I refuse to go to games and line there pockets,however, if they show that they really want to win they would spend the money like the other NY team(great management) and bring us a winner. It’s always next year,wait for this,injuries etc. Sign Young and Francis, put a little fright in the other pitchers. Beltran will be fine(contract year)Bay will have a great year and hopefully Pagan will do well. Wright will be good,Reyes will be fine and Davis will keep getting stronger and better. Lets bring in Soriano to close and work on secondbase and catching. We can have a nice team.
    • Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:32 pm

      So, you think it is good management to pay top dollar for another closer?

      Do you remember how the Yankees used to be run? During the 80s and early 90s? Trading the farm away to get the latest headliner? How did that work out for them? Did you notice they started winning when King George stopped running the team and the farm produced their core?

      Or maybe you look at the likes of Danny Tartabull and think “success”.
• Harry C January 13, 2011 at 11:06 am

  I can just see the Alderson contingent screaming about Kranepool!!!!!! What an evil guy….Wanting his team to do something so it can have a chance to win!!! What a rotten fan!!! How dare he not follow the Alderson lie line!!!! LOL…
  • Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:18 am

    I don’t blame him for not watching the last two years or so. It wasn’t pretty. I can see how that would make a lot of fans impatient.

    What I and others have asked of you and those that share your sentiments is just exactly who you want the Mets to go after. It would be really nice if you could answer that simple, straight forward question rather than insulting people with a different opinion.
    • Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 11:53 am

      That’s not really Harry’s specialty, the whole “actually coming up with ideas” thing. Leaves him too vulnerable. Much easier if he boils everything down to “if u disaggree w me u must be a koolaid drinkr lolz wat is sandy ur boyfriend?”
      • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        Really berbalerbs… ok, I’ll give you one they should trade Dickey now for 2-3 prospects. the guy begged for a long term deal, they ignored him. he’ll be gone after next year. What they get, I don’t care, rebuilding is about stocing up and getting enough kids that some make it. Now unless you can come up with a response better than its stupid or we can’t trade Dickey, or we have to sleep for a year, then go away and stop trying to be a big boy.
        • Donal January 13, 2011 at 1:48 pm

          You want to give a 36 year old pitcher a long term deal? Who would they trade him to to get 2 or 3 respectable prospects?

          I really want the FO to make a deal with Dickey, but not a long term deal at his age. And I don’t know what they would get for him on the open market.
        • Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 4:14 pm

          Nonsensical “big boy” comment aside, fine. That is certainly a move the FO could make (although I might argue they’d get 1 or 2 very very very low-projected prospects for Dickey, who’s had one good season and is the wrong side of 35, even. Don’t get me wrong, I love Dickey but I don’t think other teams would value him as highly as we do).

          Is your main beef that the new FO hasn’t done 1 of the following: 1) completely rebuild from scratch or 2) spend/trade to make a championship run in ’11?

          I don’t ask that sarcastically at all, I just wanted to know if that was your main problem with Sandy & Co thus far (and no, I don’t have a pre-planned snarky answer for your response, just trying to understand your side of this).
    • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:29 pm

      I have answered that question several times. what’s the sense ,many of you guys just respond with this guy can’t put us over the top, or that guy sucks so unless there is a promise of a serious discussion that line is worn out and abused. Sorry, you haven’t been one of those guys but I don’t think we can have a one on one here.
      • Donal January 13, 2011 at 1:34 pm

        So then stop bringing it up and I’ll stop asking. Deal?
• Met Maniac January 13, 2011 at 11:18 am

  Every season around spring training, I buy myself a brand new Mets jersey and in the last 2 years I’ve purchased one for my son too. Usually it’s a new Met like last season I bought Pagan, the season before that I purchased a Krod (anybody want it?), and before that Santana. I had no idea which one Im going to buy, but I might just get my son an Ike Davis, and I might fork over the extra 20 bucks and get one of the vintage Kranepool jerseys. I was happy to read his comments and it shows that not everybody is drunk on Mets Koolaid.
  • Donal January 13, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    I like how giving the new guy with a proven record of success time to change the obviously failed system is somehow “drinking the koolaid”.

    And that rooting for whatever team is winning is somehow being a good Mets fan.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:11 pm

      What’s his record of proven success?
      • Donal January 13, 2011 at 1:35 pm

        1 for 3 at the World Series in Oakland and making San Diego into a contender.
        • Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 1:39 pm

          SHH Get ready for the patented reply on that W.S.

          Lemme see if I can guess. “What you mean the steroid era induced W.S.?”

          That will be pretty close to what you will get I would wager.
          • Donal January 13, 2011 at 1:42 pm

            I know, thats why I was hesitant to get into this discussion. Not because I think those teams are somehow “not legit” but because I think the rationale behind the attacks is seriously flawed.
          • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:44 pm

            Its better than the patented we have to wait to get 60 million off the books before we can do anything line. We all have bad lines.
            • Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 1:58 pm

              Wow the not spending money really has had an impact on some people.
• Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 11:26 am

  ..and it also feels good to finally hear a player, a traditionalist, come out and say what is on a lot of Mets fans minds. That carries a lot more weight to me than always reading the several numbers geeks fans here who have a Sandy shrine in their living room parked right next to their calculators and printed out excel sheets.
  • Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:28 am

    ” I turn the station and root for someone else. ”

    Is that is what is on your mind? What size is your Jeter jersey?
• Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:37 am

  “If they are winning, I will watch, and if not, I turn the station and root for someone else.”

  Isn’t there a term for that kind of fan?
  • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Yeah. I lost a lot of respect for Eddie there. What kind of comment is that to make?
    • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 11:41 am

      Funny, I didn’t lose any respect for Eddie, in fact I gained some. But I would NEVER ask you to deviate from your leader for fear of being ousted from the “commune”
      • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 11:45 am

        What does Sandy Alderson have to do with being a bandwagon fan?
        • Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 11:50 am

          Nothing. Bayonne’s a one-trick pony. We could be having a conversation about the weather and at some point he’d call one of us a puppet or kool-aid drinker.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 11:52 am

            Not a one-trick pony I just hate the sabermetric, moneyball philosophy that the new FO embraces. And it’s gonna be very interesting to hear what people like Gary, Keith, & Ron have to say during this season’s broadcast because they don’t like it either.
            • Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 11:56 am

              They don’t? They tell you that at your weekly poker game or something?
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 11:59 am

                Ah, a wise-crack…spoken like a true saber head.

                No, I hear them on the broadcasts.
              • Donal January 13, 2011 at 12:24 pm

                What specifically did the booth team say? Who said it?
            • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 11:58 am

              That’s true, I’m excited to hear what they think, as well. But what in the world does sabermetrics have to do with one of the most beloved Mets of all time saying he roots for other teams when they Mets aren’t winning. You honestly see nothing wrong with that?
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:00 pm

                I’ll give you that, he probably should not have said turn the channel and root for another team, he probably should have just left it at turning the channel.
              • Met Maniac January 13, 2011 at 12:03 pm

                Definitely a poor choice of words, but it does reveal a total disgust with how the Mets are operating and sometimes you say regrettable things when you are angry. We are all guilty of saying crazy stuff when we are angry that we’d love to take back.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm

                Maniac,

                Don’t try and use emotion as part of the argument here. Emotions, heart, grit – those are all things that don’t figure into the equation for saber geeks. Only numbers.
              • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 12:10 pm

                Again, what does sabermetrics have to do with his comments about rooting for other teams?
              • t agee January 13, 2011 at 12:34 pm

                Kranepool probably didn’t think and I’ll bet that he didn’t so much mean root as watch and get into the game.

                Lets face it we’ve been to the post season 7 times in 50 years. What are you going to do those other 43 years? Not watch? If your watching often times there’s one team you prefer over another.

                Kranepool hasn’t been around a lot of press lately and has to remember to put a filter between his brain and his mouth.
      • Donal January 13, 2011 at 11:51 am

        So, you respect front runners?
      • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:45 pm

        I agree Bayonne……
    • Met Maniac January 13, 2011 at 11:51 am

      You lost respect for Kranepool because he dared to tell the truth? Give me a break, believe me though Im sure Kranepool isnt losing any sleep because some saber geeks lost respect for him. He’s probably relieved.

      I cant wait to hear what Keith Hernandez, Bobby Ojeda and Ron Darling have to say about our offseason compared to the rest of our division rivals? We already know what they think, but it will actually be great to hear them say it just like Kranepool did.
      • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 11:55 am

        Whatever Keith and Ron, etc. have to say about the way they think the off season went is their own business and they’re entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Kranepool’s too.

        But I’ll bet you anything Keith and Ron, etc. would never EVER say something as ludicrous as “If they are winning, I will watch, and if not, I turn the station and root for someone else.” That’s a terrible thing to say. Kranepool made a big mistake there.
        • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:03 pm

          I think it’s a little more than it’s Gary, Keith’s, & Ron’s business. It’s more than that. It’s because they’re Gary, Keith, & Ron and they carry a lot of weight and 2 of them of the among the most respected Mets ever. If they dont like the new FO’s beliefs – it’s gonna carry a LOT of weight with Mets fans, especially those who are on the fence.
          • Donal January 13, 2011 at 12:19 pm

            You’ve heard some of the things to come out of Keith’s mouth, right? He was a terrific player with funny stories and good insights on the mechanics of hitting, but he ain’t in that booth for his deep thoughts on how to run a franchise.

            And the few times I’ve heard them take shots at Sabermetrics, they demonstrated a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what was being said. I have, on occassion heard Ronnie and Gary discuss some of the concepts in a positive light.

            So, why don’t we all wait until they actualyl take the booth and see what unfolds on the field before we tell each other what they think?
        • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:47 pm

          Duh, they have to watch since they are the broadcasters. Really think Keith watches late in the year on his off days and the team is out of the hunt? He even says he didn’t watch many times.
  • alwaysnextyear January 13, 2011 at 11:45 am

    well, he certainly doesn’t qualify as an actual fan of the team, if he switches to rooting for another team. That would be front runner, bandwagon fandom.

    now, if he said I don’t watch the games, fine. But to say I root for another team, no good.
• Nester January 13, 2011 at 11:56 am

  Very disappointed to see Kranepool make such outlandish comments and I thought he used poor judgement and that he acted in poor tatste. Very disappointing and I’m sure the Wilpons are not going to be happy upon reading these quotes. If the Mets did plant to retire his number anytime soon, he can forget it now. Bad job Krane, you let a lot of us down.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Oh stop it,

    If they had any thoughts of retiring Kranepool’s number they’re not gonna stop because of this. Be realistic.
  • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Wow… The wilpons won’t be happy… GREAT. They hired Mr do nothing they deserve to be miserable. Maybe they will start asing why nobody is buying season tickets. Screw the wilppons. KRANEPOOL let people down for not being a clone. And you all say you ain’t hyppnotized. Thoughtless midless and demand others to be the same. Congratulations on proud of being mindless.
    • Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 2:06 pm

      Just cause you disagree with something doesn’t dismiss you from being mindless yourself you know?

      If your passing judgment on what a man has done only in his 1st few months rather than waiting to see the results of his actions and if you say a former Met saying he only watches his former team when they win and roots for other teams in the mean time is not reason for fans to feel disappointed in his comment then the idea that you can call others mindless only shows that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
• XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 12:07 pm

  Anyone want to place a friendly wager on how many days it takes for this to blow up and Eddie retract/recant/”clarify” his statement on rooting for other teams? I’ll put the over-under on 2.5 days.
  • Des January 13, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    A couple of points. Eddie shows himself to be not the brightest bulb on the block. Also, I expect he’ll either retract or spin his words. If he doesn’t, whatever small favors that the Wilpons might have extended to Eddie will be gone as fast as yesterday’s news.

    I recall the pomp and ceremony the Wilpons gave to Tom Glavine. The Wilpons showed both class and marketing skills. Eddie will not get the same types of respect from them unless he walks back his words.
• Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm

  As usual some will take a players comments and so long as it fits their agenda will slice out the parts they like best and ignore the whole.

  It is obvious as a Mets fan that you want:

  To improve your ball club.
  To compete in this market.

  These are 2 of the items Kranepool mentioned and he is right and the idea that somehow Mets fans don’t want the same is absurd.

  He also recognizes that that is the Mets decision to make on how they go about it.

  That is what many reasonable Mets fans are saying as well. That how the Mets decide on improving the club is their decision to make so we have to have some patience and see what the F.O. plans are and more importantly the results are over the next few years.

  I know this though if someone said to me yea I’m a Mets fan but ““I only watch a good product. If they are winning, I will watch, and if not, I turn the station and root for someone else.” I’d say there is a name for that type of fan.

  A Fairweather Fan.

  I am no fairweather fan I’m there through it all good and bad and I defintely don’t start rooting for other teams in the meantime. That fan is a fraud in my eyes.
• iZ January 13, 2011 at 1:56 pm

  Eddie is ticked off because this team won’t try to win. WON’T TRY. that ain’t fair weather fan,. that’s a fan who isn’t brain dead.
  • Donal January 13, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Great. When does your Halladay jersey arrive?
    • Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 2:16 pm

      hahahahaha +1
  • Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    I know Fair weather fan is but a slang term but out of curoisity I googled it and this is what I got.

    fair weather fan: A fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. During hard times they usually bandwagon other teams. They basically have no real loyalty to the team, but still manage to get better seats than you at the game. Strangely they mysteriously vanish at the first sign of trouble.

    urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fair+weather+fan

    ****************************************

    What is a Fairweather Fan?
    hwisegeek.com/what-is-a-fairweather-fan.htm
• Berbalerbs January 13, 2011 at 4:19 pm

  I think Kranepool just doesn’t realize (or doesn’t consider) how much every single word you say gets dissected in the Web 2.0 era. If I had to place a bet, he was probably just semi-rambling, but when it’s presented in print it comes off as a definitive statement.
• Rick January 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75cidxiO5U&sns=em