Comments on: Jose Reyes Says No Contract Talks After Season Starts

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:04:14 +0000

i believe we r saying the same thing. Reyes one would hope can put up numbers comparable to what he averaged in his best years over the next 5 years.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:41:11 +0000

not counting when he was 20!

from 2006-2009 (about 2300 plate appearances), his OBP was between .354 and .358 every year. Actually freakishly consistent.

even in 2010, once he got back in the groove, over his last 93 games (roughly 2/3 of his season) it was still ~.345.

so I am going to assume that with his experience, just hitting his prime, he is going to put up an OBP at least about what he was doing regularly before this past season.

By: francis

francis — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:20:15 +0000

i’m with you there.

i hope they just want to see how he looks and how he responds to collins in march and that they get it done then and there.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:14:19 +0000

Fair enough but for the record
Reyes career obp is .335

baseball-reference.com/players/r/reyesjo01.shtml

Now to be fair though in Reyes 4 best years from 2005 to 2008 his obp was .342 but that tells but a small portion of what made Reyes great those years.

baseball-reference.com/players/r/reyesjo01.shtml#2005-2008-sum:batting_standard

To finish up since for what it’s worth Reyes over the last 2 years in which he has had to deal with injuries his obp was .328

baseball-reference.com/players/r/reyesjo01.shtml#2009-2010-sum:batting_standard

I like Reyes I think if he can continue to keep his ops around .780 he will be just fine.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:10:42 +0000

I would just like them to get the deal locked down now, while he is still likely to take some discount in exchange for guaranteed security.

although these days, considering he would have banked at least $30mill or so by the end of 2011, that shouldn’t be too much of an issue (you would hope).

A nice compromise if 5 guaranteed, with 2 being some kind of vesting or mutual option. Plenty of ways to make Reyes stinking rich, while still giving the Mets some protection.

By: francis

francis — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:57:44 +0000

for sure, if his agent let’s you. that’s all i’m saying.

no doubt those 6th and 7th years will be overpays, but that’s the market.

i think he would take a 5yr with options today, but if he’s hitting .300 with 25 steals by June, you can forget it.

i keep saying it, but i don’t want to hope he has a mediocre season just so we can afford him.

By: alwaysnextyear

alwaysnextyear — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:52:24 +0000

.355ish OBP isn’t quite not getting on. That would be Francouer territory.

would like to see another .025 or so, but his slugging more than makes up for it.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:46:31 +0000

I guess but for a leadoff hitter whose never shown the ability to get on base other than by hitting his way on and using his speed. By age 33 i’d “start” to be a bit concerned as far as Reyes ability to continue playing up to his 2008 levels.

I’d gladly give in and pay a little more in the 1st few yrs so i can have the ability to opt out after 5 yrs.

I just think that 7 yrs with no opt out is too many yrs.

By: francis

francis — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:37:05 +0000

me too, but reyes has alot of leverage here. you’ll need to give in a bit.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:45:25 +0000

5 years with an option for 6 would make me feel more comfortable but either way I would want an owners option to opt out after 4 years.

By: francis

francis — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:27:35 +0000

7 years – 100 MM for 28 yr old top 5 SS in the league. i’d do that tonight if i were GM.

By: ted.swedalla

ted.swedalla — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:42:57 +0000

Reyes needs to show he is worthy of an extension. Guys tend to have good seasons in the walk year of their contract, so lets let him have one of those. Then we resign him.
We need to be sure he is capable of playing 150 games a season at full speed before handing him new deal, which would be in the area of 6-7 years, 90-110 million.
If he proves that, I’ll drive to his house to bring him to the contract signing. Until he shows that, I don’t care if we lose him next season. Like it or not, the Mets are in a rebuilding, not reloading mode.

http://www.citifieldnine.com/2011/01/so-long-jose-reyes.html/

By: sarge

sarge — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:04:30 +0000

For those Philly fan Reyes haters, if Jose went to Philly to replace an aging Rollins they would be behind him 100% pct but signing in Philidelphia “City of Brotherly Love” means that you will be booed at any slight of hustle and Jose would have to wear ear plugs, so I don’t think he would go there for his mental well being AND his families as well.

By: francis

francis — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:03:36 +0000

if you look at the other starting shortstops in this league, you may start to see why i think reyes should be signed ASAP.

just look at them.

By: francis

francis — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:00:46 +0000

no and no. straw was a mess and piazza was done by the time they left.

reyes would be one of about 5 sox that i wish were mets, so i’d probably root for them after the mets. 1 or 2 guys wouldn’t do it, though.

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:25:33 +0000

You are avoiding the questions Bayonne. There’s no other way to spin it.

Your right it worked out for the best but WHY would Dykstra have gotten the AB’s from the side that was Mookie’s better hitting side especially when their BA and SLG were so similiar?

What do you think the reason(s) Bobby Valentine had Brian Downing, a catcher/DH, bat leadoff for him in Texas?

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:15:22 +0000

First of all I don’t “avoid” so let’s get that straight.

It’s the WAY you lay out your question that I have a BIG PROBLEM with. You make it sound like it was done intentionally.

I don’t think Davey had it in mind that he was “taking away 70% Mookie’s ABs”.

When Lenny came up, he was a natural Lefty and it was best for the team that he create a platoon situation.

Yes their numbers can overlap at times but it was still a PURE right/lefty platoon.

That’s it. Now you’re going into semantics.

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:03:29 +0000

Bayonne, in a traditional platoon you would take one player who’s much better offensively from one side and match him up with another player who’s much better from the opposite side. Normally a switch hitter, like Mookie, is not a part of a platoon. A switch hitter who is very poor from one side or the other (like Backman) could be part of a platoon. That situation does not apply to Mookie Wilson.

Mookie lost the AB’s from which he hit the best and kept the AB’s in which he didn’t. That doesn’t make sense does it Bayonne?

The topic we are discussing is not WHY the platoon was effective. The topic we are discussing is WHY WAS THEIR A PLATOON. The reason we’re discussing this is because of your statement in regard to Reyes, stating that we have won a World Series with a “hacker” hitting leadoff.

“hacker” is not an accurate description of Mookie Wilson from 1985 – the end of his career, nor is it an accurate description of Dykstra at any point in his career.

The simple fact is that Davey gave the AB’s from Mookie’s best side and gave them to Lenny because he got OB a lot more than Mookie from that side. If you have another reason why Mookie’s best handed AB’s went to Dykstra please state it.

While your at it please help us to understand why a manager you admire, Bobby Valentine, hit Brian Downing at leadoff while managing Texas. What are your thoughts about the reason(s) for that decision?

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:47:44 +0000

Did you guys start rooting for the Dodgers when Strawberry signed with them? Or the Reds when Seaver was traded to them? Or more recently, the Padres when Piazza went there? Players leave, hardly anyone stays with one team anymore. I love Reyes, but I’m certainly not going to cheer for his new team if he leaves…I would hope he does well, but I would still root for the Mets to win and every other team to lose. Are you guys New York Mets fans or just Reyes fans?

By: t agee

t agee — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:25:27 +0000

But Bayonne, you keep saying the same think while avoiding the point. Everyone already knows the LH hitter gets more AB’s in a platoon. That’s not news. What were trying to understand is why did Mookie “lose” those LH’ed AB’s when his BA and OB were better from that side?

Let me try again. Why would Davey have taken away 70% of Mookie’s AB’s and given them to Dykstra when they essentially had the same BA and SLG against RHP?