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Has David Wright Become Underrated?
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The franchise of the Mets, David Wright has become somewhat underrated in the baseball world. Ever since his less than dazzling 2009 campaign, Wright has not been held in the same high regard as he once was. Granted he has not been as good as 2007 and 2008, Wright is due a little more credit than he has gotten.
First of all, Wright is in the biggest pitchers ballpark in all of baseball. I can recall at least seven times this season in which Wright hit a ball that would have been an absolute bomb in other parks, but resulted in a fly out or a double at Citi Field. Also, without much protection with him in the lineup in 2010, Wright had the odds against him. Here are a few examples of why I see Wright as underrated.
Wright should have without a doubt won the 2010 NL 3rd baseman Silver Slugger Award. Zimmerman, who won the award, had just 60 at-bats less than Wright and had finished the season with a .307 average 25 homers and 85 RBIs. Wright had a .283 average 29 homers and 103 RBIs. Zimmerman had Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham to protect him in the lineup this past season, both respected names by pitchers in baseball. Wright did not have Beltran or Bay for most of the year so his only real protection was Ike Davis and Angel Pagan, not exactly bonafide threats at the time, isolating Wright as the only bat in the lineup that they should fear.
A few weeks ago, MLB network continued its series of naming MLB’s top 10 players by position. Wright was ranked an underwhelming 6th on the list, much lower than where he should be.
Here is the MLB ranking and my ranking:
MLB Network’s Ranking: My Ranking:
1. Evan Longoria 1. Evan Longoria
2. Ryan Zimmerman 2. Alex Rodriguez
3. Alex Rodriguez 3. David Wright
4. Kevin Youkilis 4. Kevin Youkilis
5. Adrian Beltre 5. Ryan Zimmerman
6. David Wright 6. Adrian Beltre
7. Mark Reynolds 7. Mark Reynolds
8. Scott Rolen 8. Casey McGehee
9. Placido Polanco 9. Scott Rolen
10. Casey McGehee 10. Placido Polanco
I rank the top 10 like so because I do not believe Zimmerman or Beltre should be considered as one of the best 3rd baseman in baseball. Beltre was in one of the best possible situations for a hitter, he was on the Boston Red Sox. On the Red sox, Beltre was hitters ballpark and in an extremely potent offense, the opposite of Wright.
Finally, the 2010 MVP voting had Wright 24th in the NL ballot. Zimmerman was 16th and Rolen was 14th in the balloting. In addition to these two, other less deserving players ranked above Wright included Carlos Ruiz, Martin Prado, Brian McCann, Jayson Werth and Jason Heyward. None of them had as many homers or RBIs as Wright. I would normally brush it off to the fact that most of the time the MVP award is given to a player from a team that contended or made the playoffs, but Zimmerman was ranked 16th.
Feel free to leave your two cents on this and your Top 10 MLB 3rd baseman rankings but I think ever since his underwhelming 2009 campaign, David Wright has been underrated and overlooked by much of the baseball world.
About the Author: Clayton Collier
Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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I am a Mets fan since 1969, and I have to say that you are way off base with this David Wright thing. If anything he is overrated. He has consistently got worse as his career has moved forward. I am not just talking about Home Runs. I understand and don’t expect him to hit as many in Citi Field, but his overall hitting has regressed, and he never hits in the clutch anymore liked he always used to do when he was younger. I give him credit for making himself one of the better fielding 3rd baseman in baseball. But overall I have to say and hope that we have not yet seen the best of David Wrght, because if we have, I would have to say that he is a major disappointment……
What Alot of people forget it is the coaching staff surrounding players. Now im not totally blaming it on HoJo but it seemed that HoJo was trying to make Wright into the same kind of hitter. Someone who stikes out alot and is only capable of hitting well against one kind of batter.
I think with a new batting coach in place, Wright will boost the average and cut down on the K’s.
He’s really just been more skiddish at the plate since the plunk on the head by Matt Cain in 2009.
If the new hitting coach can get him back to where he should be, Wright will once again be seen by you and the baseball world as a top tier 3rd baseman.
Some analysts are saying Wright is a guy you would want to pick up on your fantasy team because he is suppose to have a big year coming up.
Not to mention, hes still only 27, about to enter his prime. I think were going to see big things from David Wright in the coming years.
I think HOJO should take ALL the blame and not just for Wright,if Wright played in Phillie or Boston his numbers would be scary good. A lot of Met fans do not realize how good this guy is. One other thing his numbers last year were better then Longoria’s , Evan has yet to put up a year as good as Wrights
interesting to think what #s he ould put up if he had been on the phils hitting 3rd. Especially sandwiched in between utley and Howard, he would see a ton LH pitching, have a monster presence looming behind him, many ducks on the old pond, and a tiny park to hit in.
35/140 maybe?
Geez Wright would be a monster. I liked the old Phillies rotation the most that was all lefties. Cuz wright tore them apart. now with three righties that are aces, Wright mite not fair as well.
2 RH, 2 LH. the #5 starter on that team, no matter who wins the job, is mediocre at best.
what do you mean? I was talking about the phillies rotation. Who are you refering to?
the phillies. Lee and hamels are lefties. Halladay and Oswalt are righties. that is 2 and 2.
Their #5 doesn’t count, and sure as hell isn’t an “ace”!
Oh oops. i accidently counted Lee as a Righty. well still Halladay and Oswalt are to that you dont want to face.
Wright has always handled Hamels and blanton well but i dont know how he fairs against Lee.
Would you prefer to hit in lineup A or lineup B?
Lineup A Lineup B
La Duca Schneider/Santos/Barajas/Thole
Delgado Murphy
Valentin Castillo/Hern/Tejada/Cora/Arias
Reyes Cora/Valdez/Tejada
Floyd/Alou Murphy/Sullivan/Bay
Beltran Pagan
Green/Nady Francouer/Church/Felciano
Having LH hitters who hit RHP well, did and will help Wright tremendously. Having guys without huge platoon splits would be absolutely huge for him yet we have lost, and not replaced those LH hitters and are about to lose the one guy who doesn’t have huge platoon splits (Beltran)
Why would you pitch to Wright when you could pitch to any of the guys in lineup B?
Fantasy baseball may be fun to play (I don’t know) but it doesn’t translate to the real thing.
Fantasy Baseball just takes off of stats that actually happen throughout the season.
Analysts predict which players will have the best seasons and would be basically the MVP for teams. For 2011 I have seen 2 “top 200″ lists on ESPN, Wright is ranked 10th and 15th on them respectively.
That is very high up on lists, only behind the Albert Pujols, Joey Votto, Troy TuloWitzki, and Roy Halladay tier players on these lists. What it means is, is that people are expecting a moster year from Wright in 2011. These lists predict who will have the best year so you know who you want to put on your team.
I think Wright is in for a big year between the new hitting coach, new manager and the hopefully resurgant Beltran and Bay in the lineup. We are going to see big things from Wright this year. I say se finishes Top 10 in the NL MVP balloting this season
actually, one of the reasons that Wright ranks so high on fantasy lists (much higher than would often be warrented on “real” baseball lists) is his steals. Fantasy rankings put a much bigger premium on SBs than a real team does.
it only counts for 1 point, as much as a single does. he had 19 last year, which doesnt make that much of an impact on stats. and if that were to be true, why isnt Michael Bourn so high up there?
you have 4 or 5 offensive categories. the SB one counts for the same (20-25% of the total) as HRs, RBI, etc. Many leagues have been won or lost based on that.
A guy that puts up solid #s in the hitting categories is worth a lot. That same guy, with 30 steals, is worth a fortune.
Bourn doesn’t have any power or production, so he gets knocked down for that, but he still will get drafted fairly high if he is expected to steal 70 bags, since he can win that category for you practically all by himself.
ok well even given that. Sbs are not the major factor of Wrights game. Doubles Homers and RBIs are.
For Every homer you hit you get the four points for the 4 TBs, one point for an RBI and one point for a run. That is six points in a homer compared to one for a Stolen base.
Wright got 174 points in homers last season and 19 in steals. I wouldn’t say that most of his fantasy stats rely on SBs..
you must be playing a scoring system I have never seen.. normal (traditional) scoring is each category is worth 10 points (if you have 10 teams). So winning SBs is worth the same as winning HRs.
Its different with every league you go to. But if that is true than why doesnt Bourn or Elsbury or Reyes have the same numbers as Barry Bonds did in fantasy?
I havent seen a fantasy league where a SB is equal to a homer. Most leagues favor power and TBs over anything else
another reason why wright ranks high on fantasy lists, is because he plays third base. look at the rest of the league’s third basemen from a statistical perspective. he is a no brainer top 5 3B in nearly all fantasy formats.
The Top five or six 3rd Baseman are pretty crowded. yet they ranked Wright only behind Longoria among 3rd Baseman.
The ranking they put was like this:
Longo
Wright
A-fraud
Zimmerman
Youk
Beltre
simple answer. wright is the only 5 category guy on that list.
I don’t Clayton. I think .285 25 100 is what we’re looking at.
There is a chance of a much better conceived line up with Thole/Paulino and Murphy/Emaus but we don’t know if that’s the way it’s going to work out.
We only have 1 LH power hitter and the one guy you can’t turn around (Beltran) is probably gone in July and if he’s not, there’s a 50/50 chance it’s cause he’s not playing well.
The fallout is that Wright will continue to see less and less LHP and continue to be carefully pitched to when does. If he continues to try to “get his numbers” on the road as he has been he’ll be walking less, striking out more, flying out more and generally assisting in bogging down the lineup.
I’m not a huge fan of Duda playing LF (forget RF entirely) from what I saw in September but a big LH bat behind him would certainly help him.
Floyd, Delgado, Alou’s equal platoon splits, (.360 .335 in ’07) Valentin hitting RHP well, even Green helped Wright see more LHP and ALL those guys helped him to not have to do it all himself.
If if if everyone stays healthy (never happens) The guys capable of hitting 20 HR’s Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Davis, Bay are all better (or the same) against RHP. No one in this lineup is influencing anyone to bring in a LHP and if they did it’s one and done (Davis)
Davis actually hits better against left handed pitching. If you look up his splits youll see he bats .295/.362/.443 against lefties and .254/.348/.439 against righties. Bay and Beltran i think will comeback with 20-25 homer seasons and 80-90 RBIs. I think Beltran and Davis will end up having similar seasons ending around .270 23 and 85
Clayton, Ike had about 9 infield singles against LHP in 122 AB’s. That’s not sustainable for a non speedster like Ike which is not to say that he couldn’t become a sheer terror vs. LHP but without those 9 infield singles his line vs. lefty’s would read quite a bit different. .221 BA and .297 OB. Slugging would be down too although not as much. He did K over 25% of his AB’s vs. LHP as well.
The question coming into 2010 for Ike was how he would hit LHP in AAA. Well instead of AAA he came up here and did very well but just those 9 infield singles greatly enhanced his numbers against LHP.
I dont know, well have to see, its really too much to speculate with so many questions. Ike, Bay, Beltran, 2nd base, Thole… too much unknown to make a fair judgement. I want to see what the new hitting coach does with them all in ST
Thats the key issue here Tag! 100% correct!
Wright seems like he is under rated because Pitchers really have no reason to fear him.
You can pitch to David and not burn yourself too much because there was no one behind him to drive him in.
So in cases where there were no one on, why pitch around him when you can try to get the best hitter out and shut down the lineup!
He should be much better this year with Beltran back, Ike in the mix the whole year and Bay hopefully finding what earned him his salary again.
If you look at that Late May June hotstreak it coincided with Ike being called up and batting behind Wright to give him some protection. Unfortunatly Ike suffered from lack of protection after that.
Yeah Metsie, The lineup is too disjointed. It’s not chained together where you have one tough hitter after another. Beltran is (hopefully not was) the glue since he’s great against RH and LH pitchers. Davis and Bay will be huge keys for the Mets.
I respectfully disagree when you say he’s is a major disappointment. While 09 was a down year for him, and his strikeouts increase is definately alarming, hopefully with a pitching coachthey can work on that. Every other aspect of his hitting is consistent, he always finishes in the top escheoleon in most offensive catagories.
Saying he is a major disapointment is as silly as saying Ollie Perez should be the number 1 starter this year.
IMO – he could definately improvement in many forms, but I think from some in the fan base he is completely underrated and underappreciated. You don’t have to like the guy, but don’t let that blind what he’s doing. I fully admit to loath Keith Hernandez but I can and will not deny what he has accomplished.
JerryG15, What is it you hate about Keith?
So JerryG15,
Let’s forget Keith & Wright’s stats, lets forget that Hernandez may be the best defensive 1B of all time and 1B can hold your infield together. Let’s forget all that for a bit.
Let’s talk about them as competitors.
Why do loath Keith – a guy who represented everything that was leadership ON THE FIELD, clutch, heart, buts. a set of NUTS, intelligent, smart, quick thinker, etc.
But you like Wright, a guy who blinks when stared at, who puts his tail between his legs whenever there is a big series to be played, a guy who’s idea of clutch is a game tying HR in the 4th inning vs. the Brewers in June, a guy who pisses in his pants whenever the game is important and on the line, a guy who even bobbles balls on the field in key situations, a guy who all of a sudden now likes to back hand and play balls off to the side now, a guy who would rather apologize and be politically correct than stand up for a teamate.
That’s what you prefer in an athlete? Okay.
yup, only a true leader and gamer would be in the clubhouse with his shirt off, drinking a beer, while his team is out fighting like hell to stay alive in the WS.
Yeah, that is the ideal you follow!
Sure, that happened
It doesn’t discount anything else. Sorry pal. Anyway, you don’t need me to tell you about Keith Hernandez – his legacy speaks for himself and everyone knows it, you’re just behind or pretending not to know.
What about Kieth being the guy who got Doc and Daryl onto cocaine? Helping to flush the chance at a dynasty down the drain?
Was that leadership?
Whoever you are,
Do you have anything credible that can support your claims.
There’s no reason for me to even discuss the importance of Keith Hernandez to Mets history, specifically, 80s history.
That’s a known fact to all. On the other hand this is the age of the internet now and I could be talking to somebody sitting home in his underwear nibbling cheese doodles, with their own silly conspiracy theories..who knows.
It’s comments like this that make me more appreciative of professional sports journalists and pundits.
So, you’ve never heard of the Pittsburgh Drug Trials? You are unaware of the admitted drug use of all three?
I’m aware of all 3 and so are MOST people who’ve followed these athletes.
Your attempt to discredit Keith, whoever you are, is really fruitless. YOU know it and so does everyone else so just stop already.
There is no 86 Mets without Keith Hernandez (duh..obviously i know you can say that about a number of mates that year…so just stick to the context here)
He was a leader for Mets AND Cardinals World Series teams. He partied but ON THE FIELD he was a leader.
People are bored reading this because they already know it so go to another board and try to discredit Keith?
How about a Boston or Brewer board?
Culture is full of great people who had a weakness for partying.
Doesn’t mean they were not great, famous, or legendary at what they did. You can spin anything you want to suit your own agenda.
Keith Hernandez – one of the greatest Mets of all time and one of the most respected baseball players in baseball history.
Don’t credit me with the above statement because most logical people know that already.
Yes, Keith was instrumental to the 1986 WS Cahmionship, with his .239 WS batting average.
But seriously, yes, Keith was a great player. The best and most complete 1B the team has ever had.
but don’t disparrage Wright with some crap you’re inventing (or are simply reggurgitating from the Post) and go one to sing about what a great team mate Hernandez was.
The facts are way different.
First of all,
Don’t come here on this board and say I’m inventing stuff about Wright because I’M NOT. And I WILL disparage a player who somehow is claimed to be the face of this franchise by a bunch of pom pom waving dimple admirers because I’ve watched this guy over the years and seen him get worse AND worse in big spots, even his D is getting worse. This guy is a FALSE hero, why? Because he’s white and has a nice smile?
2nd of all, don’t even put Wright & Hernandez on ANY kind of equal platform whatsoever!
A few nice numbers he puts it is not gonna compensate for the YEARS of heroic and impactful baseball Keith Hernandez has been responsible for all his years with Cards and Mets.
So drop that right away. My opinions on Wright are MY OWN and I make NOTHING up. I’ve been saying the same things about him here for a few years now so go back under your rock.
I can accept that you aren’t inventing the crap about Wright. I find it very plausible you are just regurgitating stuff from the Post without verifying it for yourself.
And I watch the games too. I see Wright perform well in big spots. But, I realize that human memory is faulty and we are all subject to our personal biases. Thats why I bother to go and check the facts.
And the facts are that he performs well in important spots. Did he have a rough 2009? Yes. Has his defense suffered the last 2 years? Yes. But, 2010 was a slight bounce back for him.
So, yes, your opinions are yours and you have every right to them, but don’t get pissy because I point out how they are not based in reality. If you don’t want to get called out for ignoring facts, don’t post your opinion on the internet.
this idea that wright has failed in big spots is absolute nonsense. you cant even really tell when a big moment happens. if i strike out, and then the two guys after me hit bombs, and we lose by a run, it was big that i struck out, but you didnt know. or if i start a rally instead of striking out, that is big. but this stuff isnt measured properly. the guy who ends a rally with a bomb is the hero, but he really isnt. if you hit a solo bomb in the first inning of a 7-6 victory, your AB better than the “clutch” single in the bottom of the 9th. it isnt about the luck of when your hits happen. it is about consistently making productive AB, as measured by obp and slug%
Murphy is still standing on 3B. You know that is all that matters.
I love keith but like most of the ’86 team he was a partier.
Something I found funny in this years broadcast was after the news came out that ken griffey jr. was unavailable 2 pinch hit because he went into the clubhouse for a nap, keith went into a rant saying “You never leave the dugout till the last out of the game, im sorry but that is just unacceptable.”…
But wasn’t it him in Game 6 1986 who had his feet up on Davey Johnson’s desk refusing to get out of the chair he was sitting in because he believed it had hits in it. He wasn’t in the dugout for one of the most important games in the franchise history
The same Keith who gave up on his team and the season during the World Series? Thats about as pathetic an act as there is. Lets not pretend Keith was perfect.
And regarding Wright backhanding balls. It seems silly to me and he shouldn’t do it, but Chip Hale was on record explicitly saying that they (Chip and Jerry) wanted him to play more balls that way…so that would be the reason for “all of a sudden” playing balls to the side.
What?
I like to see your stats/proof of that ‘non clutch’ argument you’re presenting.
Bayonne – you are a complete idiot and I really hate to call people out like that but truly you are so short sited it’s comical and your ignorance shows through more and more every day.
You are going to argue with me about how I feel about a person? REALLY, did I say ANYTHING Negative about how he played? What the hell difference does it make if I say I don’t like a guy, but don’t deny what he did?
Your assessment of Wright is borderline sick – I said he has areas of his game that need improvement, I didn’t say pour the concrete for his HOF plaque but you are ignornate and say the same thing over and over about him. Plus you’re wrong. This kid would hit a walk off grand slam in the 7th game of the WS and you’d find a way to not give him the credit.
Sorry but when you hit close to 30 hrs every year and over 10 RBI every year – they are all cheap ones, no matter what you say you say and said in the shoutbox.
Stop the madness – it’s ok to hate the guy, as I stated about Keith, but stop being so blind and making crap up.
Not making anything up,
We obviously haven’t been watching the game the same way over the last few years. Don’t know what else to tell you if you can’t realize Wright cannot perform under pressure.
Can it change? Sure. It did for Alex Rodriguez so it can for him.
That’s okay, Wright will hit another exciting HR in a game we eventually lose, & he’ll have another terrific June, the yearly MVP talk will start, and if we’re lucky and have important games in September be sure he’ll disappear again when you need him the most.
But he’ll give you good numbers though. I’d rather get those numbers from another source and get players who have a set of gonads and some courage. Wright is a gifted athlete, he’s durable, but a terrible competitor when pressure’s on.
He’ll get a great series vs. Pirates or Brewers, stuck up some GREAT numbers, then when an important series w/Marlins or Braves comes along – he’s gone as fast as a cartoon character who’s legs spin than leave a contrail.
All series are important. Had the Mets won some more games against the lowly teams in 2007 and 2008 they never would have “collapsed”. Yes, Wright could certainly stand to improve his late game numbers these last 2 yrs and numbers against the Braves/Phils the past 2 seasons. But acting like only hits in the 9th inning are important, or that games in June aren’t important is grossly incorrect. If thats truly the way you feel, than I’d say you are the one that hasn’t been watching the games. This team over the years has failed time and time again to beat teams they should beat, and time and time again blow leads in games b/c they fail to extend leads and take complete control of the game when they should.
And really if you are going to continue with the mantra that June games aren’t that important (as I’ve seen you essentially say before) I’d argue that then Mets haven’t played ANY meaningful games at all the last 2 seasons. If games in June are meaningless, then I’d say games in July aren’t really that important either…July isn’t really much different than June..both are around the middle of the season pre-the big time “playoff push”…and then by the time the Mets got to mid August these last 2 seasons, they were essentially out of the race. So then really this team hasn’t had any big games to play these last couple years, so we can’t judge anyone as not being “big game” clutch.
you’re just making excuses for Wright that’s all. Very creative.
I know the game quite well thank you very much and I know what’s important and not and do not have to be told that games in June are important or not. We all know ALL games are important but there things that happen in a season that are more important than others.
They’ve had big series with meaning the last 2 years. They may not have been fighting for a playoff berth but there were other series with big meanings that still occur and he usually disappears during those times.
2009 was a lost year but i remember specifically when the Mets were meeting the Marlins for the first time that year and the series was built up as some type of revenge for the Mets after what happened in 2008 so YES, relatively speaking, it was important ( i have a feeling you’re going to spin this)
But anyway, I believe Wright was hitting well before that and when that series came round, a time to get back at who knocked you out the season before – Wright FLOPPED.
My point is he folds like a lawn chair no matter what type of important series happens during the season. Now can he get a big hit in big series? Sure, it’s not impossible, in fact he USED to do it when he first came up.
I think the repeated failures in big spots over the years (starting in 2006 post season) have gotten to him mentally and it’s affecting him more and more
I know the game and I know you hate the kid and make crap up.
People show you the numbers in 07 and 08 in August and September and YOU say you don’t care about the numbers (aka the truth)
You are a waste of time, because you have no clue.
Has hit hit in the clutch 100% of the time – NO WAY.
You don’t understand English either, I SAID HE CAN USE IMPROVEMENT IN HIS GAME, yet you ignore all the other FACTS and say he folded.
Whatever dude you are a waste of bandwidth. Your ignornance and stubborness is sick.
Prove how dumb some in this fanbase really are.
I KNOW WHAT I SAW TOO.
The numbers can lie big time buddy – and I know you know that.
He had like 120 RBIs or so going into September of 2008 and i don’t care WHAT his numbers for that month told you.
He left a LOT of runners in scoring position on during that collapse. You can blame the bullpen yes..but the Mets also had plenty of opportunity to stay in games during that run and despite his overall numbers,Wright failed big time in big spots during that September collapse.
I remember we were in the shout box talking during that time and we imagined how many RBIs he could have had (140+) if he drove in runners in big spots during that time but he stopped. NO EXCUSES. It does not matter if you’re an all star or part timer, if you’re a .300 hitter or .240 hitter there are just some competitors that TURN IT ON when it matters the most regardless of level of talent. Just a small example but look how Joe McEwing somehow woke up whenever Randy Johnson pitched against the Mets. Mac owned him.
(and don’t mistake my small example as a comparison of athletes, okay?)
I don’t care what type of season you have but if you fail to do it when it counts the most..and time and time again…it’s time to look in another direction-but that won’t happen.
I am not making “excuses”. As I said in my post, he hasn’t been as clutch these past couple years as he has been in the past. He’s struggled specifically against the Braves, sometimes against the Phils, and late in gms where he used to excel. He was great in close and late situations just about every year up until 2009 and he routinely was great against our rivals…and then these last two years he really hasn’t been good in those spots, I don’t dispute that.
I just think you are trying way too hard to dismiss anything he does do. Him having a great June was not at all unimportant. The Mets needed to win games then too. And the Mets hardly ever have games that they’ve been in complete control of where any runs added were unimportant. He didn’t drive in all 103 runs he drove in in games where the Mets were up by 5 runs.
And yeah I would disagree that the second series of the year against the Fish in 2009 was some kind of huge series.
I think you cherry pick what series you think are important based on the results. You continually dismiss games in the early season where Wright did well b/c it was too early in the season, and then you highlight games early in the season where he struggled as evidence of him not being clutch.
Again, as I said there are certainly times where he legitimately did struggle. And I do think his issues are partially or largely mental and it is cause for some concern. But to act like any success he has had was completely inconsequential is way off base.
How come he didn’t fold in either of the only 2 pennant races he was in?
nonsense. In 2007 and 2008, Wright had huge septembers. even during the collapse in 2007, he was practically carrying the team.
2009, the team was dead and he had the beaning so can’t fault him for that.
but when the team was still in it, he came up big. If you choose to cherry pick a couple specific ABs, that is up to you.
I don’t think the stats lie. The numbers and my eyes tell me the same thing. Wright’s slipped these last two years and prior to that he was pretty clutch.
And if we really want to harp on the offense for the collapses, which I think is incorrect as it was primarily the pitching….its Reyes, not Wright, who should bare the brunt of the criticism for that. He was lousy both Septembers…a pretty large sample and that had more to do with the Mets overall failures than anything Wright did or didn’t do.
you guys, just ignore wrights great numbers and listen to whatever bayonne says. yunno he played the game!
And I must also add that the whole “A-Rod is unclutch” mantra that went on for years was also grossly incorrect.
Well LGNYM
If you also believe that the unclutch and choke accusations that A-Rod EARNED and EVERYBODY who really understands competition knew before 2009 are false also…….than I think we see a lot more than just sports & competition differently as well.
Not “everybody” feels that way. People just don’t like A-Rod and therefore whenever he doesn’t play like the best player in the game, he gets ripped for it.
He certainly has had some bad playoff series in his career (2005-06 he wasn’t good), but virtually everyone has. When the Yankees lose, A-Rod just becomes the guy everyone loves to blame. He had several good playoff series and many times during the regular seasons in which he was “clutch” long before 2009.
if a-rod was so un-clutch, how come he was suddenly so good in the playoffs? because it was a small sample size error, goofball. he was always good.
Thank you very much for proving my point – you make it too easy.
He was awful against the Braves (see I’m a grown up and DO recognize and did say he need improvment) but you are SOOOOO wrong about the Marlins.
I know you hate numbers because they prove you wrong but I’ll take a guy that hits .391, 6 hrs, with .456 OBP against the Marlins ANYDAY of the week.
Did you see him interleague play at all?
OK, I know I have specifically addressed you on this and put up numbers, even the outdated ones you love so much.
In August and September, 2008, when the rest of the team was stumbling to the end, Wright absolutely tore the league up. He was determined to drag them kicking and screaming into October. He did everything humanly possible. The other 24 guys on the roster decided not to cooperate. Not his fault.
Stop regurgitating the crap the Post tells you to think and look at the facts.
Jerry,
Bayonne said what he saw.
A frustrating player who always pissed on his pants when the team needed him most.
He watches the Mets game I watch.
You look at the box and stats and want to call him name.
Who is narrow minded and short sighted here?
I always want Wright to make me change my opinion of him but he always pisses on his pants.
What can I do?
Well if you guys watch the same games well then you have to be right.
Well JerryG15,
If you also believe that the unclutch and choke accusations that A-Rod EARNED and EVERYBODY who really understands competition knew before 2009 are false also…….than I think we see a lot more than just sports & competition differently as well.
Go make some excuses okay?
Again learn the English Langauge – where did I ever make an excuse? SHOW ME???
I have yet to mentione AROD – never once, nope didn’t do it.
Go buy Baseball for Dummies, or did you write it?
The A-Rod comment was meant for someone else…it got mixed in with yours and copied and pasted it to correct person – SORRYYYYY…i guess it’s hard to tell all the Wright apologists apart.
Saying I’m a Wright apologist proves you don’t read my entire post. Read what you want and twist it to your own agenda that is what you do in your evaluation of Wright.
You don’t care about his numbers because they LIE – but only in your favor proving your point.
Whatever dude, really I’m wasting too much of my time dealing with an idiot. I’m the fool now.
Jerry,
I don’t want to be right here.
You are always right like the kid in the playgound, who cares?
I am just saying what I saw.
Wright hindered my enjoyment of the Mets games too often.
So I don’t like him.
Bayonne and I are simple Mets fans unlike the always right Wright fans like you.
Let me buy you a mirror.
Ya, all those home runs and being the best player at the most important times can absolutely ruin watching a Mets game.
right on jerry !!!
It really is useless with these two Bayonne and 2012 share a brain I swear. They hate the guy – and don’t realize it’s ok – hate him, but stop making up crap about the guy.
Only with Wright do numbers lie. Otherwise they tell the story.
Doesn’t care what he did in the late part of seasons 07 and 08 it’s all his fault the entire team fail – yep he left someone on base once, so it’s all his fault.
It’s a sickness, like if they admit Wright is a good player they would take away their man card or something (Let me state the obvious,they have to be men first)
Jerry,
Don’t lump me with Bayonne.
Bayonne knows about baseball but I don’t.
I just watch the game and talk about it.
Bayonne does not know about baseball.
Bayonne coached some kids and it’s gone to his head. He was a great coach. Just ask him. Don’t bother him with facts. As for 2012, we know you know zippo. Telling us wasn’t necessary.
So does, where is that link about Jerry flying to Sacramento? What day was that?
Any update on Jerry’s effort to form a baseball program for William J. College? You remember the one, right? From Feb. 2007…the one you tried to pass off as current because you saw 2 writers mention it. You even told us he got on a plane that day to go do it.
That’ was 2007 But that’s okay, you told me it doesn’t matter when he said it.
So what’s the latest? There should be a 2011 progress report about in somewhere on the web right?
I think you are right in that he has been underrated these past couple years. People act like he’s been absolutely awful, when in fact that is not the case. He’s still been a good player, just not an elite level one like he was in seasons prior. I think in part it is b/c he was so good from ’05-’08 that what he’s doing now is considered such a disappointment.
That said, I think your rankings are a bit biased. I think you are heavily underrating Zimmerman on your list. Zimmerman has been better than Wright these past 2 years, so I think ranking him ahead of Wright was accurate. Wright was better in much better in all the previous seasons, but if the list is “right now” I don’t think you can go back all that far. And if you do want to go back more than just a couple yrs to make your rankings, I don’t see how you’d get Longoria as the number one guy. Wright, Youk, and A-Rod all have had bigger years than Longoria has ever had. So I think its pretty inconsistent in your rankings to rank Longoria so high and Zimmerman so low.
I think the only real egregious thing in MLBs rankings was putting Beltre so high. He was good last yr (2010) but that was preceded by 5 bad years…many of which were legitimately bad by many players standards…much worse than the recent “bad” seasons Wright has had. I think the list can be played around with a bit. I don’t really see any one guy who stands out head and shoulders above everyone else, at least at this point now with A-Rod being older.
To be perfectly honest I had a very rough time putting together that list. Youk had an injury plauged 2010. and he only had a year with over 100 RBIs in 2008. so I didnt know where to put him either. I had alot of trouble with the 3,4,5 in that order. I originally had Zimmerman, Wright, Youk but i changed it at the last minute. You can really make an argument for any of those guys I guess. What would your top 10 look like?
It is difficult to put a list together. Especially with Youk not having much experience at 3b its difficult to know where exactly to place him. I think he’s as good of a hitter as anyone on the list with maybe the exception of A-Rod, but its hard to evaluate his defense. But since I do prefer offense over defense, I’d probably rank them something like this.
ARod, Youk, Longoria, Zimmerman, Wright, Rolen, Beltre, McGehee, Reynolds, Polanco.
But like I said its hard to judge. Especially with A-Rod having an off year last yr its hard to know whether it was just an off year or whether its a sign at his age he’s on a continuous decline. So I could also see ranking Longoria and Zimm at the top like MLB did. Really, I think any of the top 5 guys could be the best 3b in 2011.
LGNYM, I like the list and the order, the only question I would have you have to and put it off for a year or so. A-Rod Youk at 1 and 2. Moving them down now could be a year too early, keeping them there for another year could be a year too long. I’d out them 3 and 4 behind your 3 and 4.
So Agee you think Wright is the 5th best? youk cannot play D, Afrauds range is decreasing as is his speed and power. I am not ready to give Zimmerman his due as the best NL 3rd baseman, i think that still belongs to Wright.
Al: Longo, Afraud, Youk, Beltre, Reynolds
Nl: Wright, Zimmerman, McGehee, Rolen, Polanco
Wright’s D has also dropped off a significant amount these past couple years though if you buy into the advanced defensive metrics.
I think just based on the past couple years you have to give the nod to Zimmerman at this point. Zimm is a great defensive 3b and he’s hit better than Wright the last 2 yrs. But Wright’s best years to this point are still better than anything Zimmerman has ever done, so if Wright can get back to where he was a couple yrs ago I think he’d again surpass Zimm. The question is just will we get the ’05-’08 Wright or the ’09-’10 one.
I think Reyes needs to step up as the leader again because Wright simply cant handle it. When he was all by himself he didnt do well in 2009. When Reyes was partially back, Wright did better but wasn’t quite himself. I think Wright can’t handle being “the guy” in a ballclub.
His defense has diminished but hopefully Ike’s great defense will help Wright like Texeria did for Jeter and Afraud.
I like Reyes but he needs to step up as a leader again? When was Reyes ever a leader?
Reyes won’t ever be the quintessential type leader you’re looking for.
Well I wouldn’t really say Reyes has ever been “the guy” either. He’s been a good player, and the Mets certainly play better when he’s on his game, but has never really been better than either Wright or Beltran. And I wouldn’t at this point say Reyes has been a “leader” either…Reyes himself has said he doesn’t want to be a leader. But I think all that is a bit overrated.
But yes, I think the lack of much of anything else in the lineup has hurt Wright these past couple years. Like we were just talking about Zimmerman…I don’t think its entirely coincidental that he had his best two years after the Nats signed Dunn and gave them another bigtime bat in the lineup. Hopefully with some kind of supporting cast Wright will bounce back.
Well after Piazza the Mets havent had a diffinative “guy”… I guess it was Wright but its hard to say
The lack of punch in the lineup doesn’t seem to affect Wright in June, or when we play the Pirates.
But the “lack of punch” mysteriously becomes an issue for Wright apologists when we have a big series, huh?
Funny how that happens.
Four of the best months Wright has ever had were August and September 2007 and 2008. Other than the 2006 post season those were BY FAR the most clutch situations Wright has been in as a Met.
Stand by for rebuttal mentioning game #71 when he struck out with a runner on in a tied game in the 9th inning.
Last June Wright had some help in the lineup, even a new LH bat hitting behind him that couldn’t have hurt.
Even Willie Mays couldn’t do much when 14 of his teammates fail to get OB as often as TWO pitchers in the starting rotation did and I doubt that most teams play with only 23 spots contributing or have to DFA almost the entire bench midseason.
Regardless of how good you are baseball is still a team game and when there were good players playing great Wright did too. They helped him but he helped them too.
A person who points out, with facts, where your opinions are incorrect is not an apologist. If anything you are an apologist claiming that Omar put together a “good team” and was just done in by injuries. That is an apologist. A person who points out factually incorrect statements or seeks to put things in context is not an apologist.
The facts are that when
3rd Clayton. Phrased it wrong above. Longoria, Zimmerman, Wright A-Rd Youk.
Young guys move up, older guys move back. A-Rod is in decline, Youk is a gamble due to age health and not playing 3B for a year and certainly helped by his home field. Beltre I don’t know what to make of him. I’d say somewhere inbetween his Safeco and Fenway numbers, probably right in the middle. Zimmerman played SS when he and Wright were on the same team and is a better defender now and offensively is at least as good. Longoria the sky’s the limit.
Yea I think Longo has the whole package and will be like that for a long time.
Yeah, like I said I don’t think there really is any kind of definitively correct order. Though I wouldn’t really classify A-Rod and Youk in the same way in terms of their potential downfalls. Youk is still relatively young…31, so I don’t think he’s quite at the age of where he’s going to be declining just yet. He was on track to have on of his best yrs before getting hurt last yr. A-Rod though, as I said I think the issue is age. And its hard to know whether it was just an off year or the beginning of his decline. But being as great as he has been throughout his career, I figured I’d give him the BOTD. But yes, I can definitely see ranking some of the younger guys higher on the list.
Yea my issue with Youk is that hes had the average and the OBP but with exception to ’08 he hasn’t had the homers or RBI’s, That is mostly due to injury. that is why I am so hesitant to put him up there with Longo and Wright
Yea I think out of everyone McGehee is very underrated because i think he had his breakout year last season.
I personally despise A-Fraud, but you got to give him his due, hes 35 and hitting 30 and 100 marks. I think he will decline to a 20 and 80 guy in the next 2-3 seasons and the Yankees will have the worst contracts in baseball history. Scott Boras is the best agent ive ever seen. He convinced the wilpons Oli would be the next “Tom Seaver”.. howd that work out haha.
I think McGehee, Wright and Zimmerman are the new generation of great 3rd base talent in the NL, replacing Rolen and Chipper as they decline.
Is D. Wright the reason the Mets have not been back to the post season since 2006?
Is J. Reyes the reason the Mets have not been back to the post season since 2006?
Are they what needs to go to fix this team?
When you sit down as a Mets fan and look back on the 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 seasons and you start making your lists of things that are wrong with the Mets what is at the top of your lists and how far down that list do you go before you list either Reyes or Wright?
I wouldn’t go as far to say that Reyes and Wright were the problem in 2007 or 2008 as they both made cases for MVP those years.
2009: Wright was not pretty, nor Reyes.
2010: Wright and Reyes had comeback years, but not quite back to their old selves.
Now as Wright and Reyes enter their prime, We should see big years from both in 2011. Not to mention Reyes is playing his contract year and it is still up in the air whether he will remain with the club past July 31st, 2011.
First thing first. The primary reason we didn’t go to the playoffs in 2007 2008 2009 was the pitching. Omar never meaningfully filled out a decent starting rotation or bull pen.
It was all about who he could get, who was available. What was available were pitchers too old (Pedro El Duque), Too raw (Pelfrey), too pedestrian (Redding and Figeroa) and given up on (Maine and Perez). Johan Santana is the only true ace this team had after Pedro got hurt at age 35 (not unforseeable) There were the Lawrences, Williams, Sosa’s and a bunch of other guys who did squat but that was about it. The really incredible thing is that Omar kept counting on these guys as if they were suddenly going to find the fountain of youth, learn how to pitch or recover from injury or something. Talk about optomistic, Omar was so foolishly optomistic he was even counting on Ollie at this time last year. Good team my ass.
And the bull pen, Ugh forget about it.
And speaking of clutch, Omar’s 44 million dollar closer blew game 6 of the NLCS and was unavailable in game 7, hurt down the stretch in 2007 and out for good in 2008.
That’s right. In the most clutch spots we needed Wagner for he either blew, was unavailable or hurt. Fact.
But at least the Phillies drafted Kyle Drabek instead of us and another piece they used to get Blanton with the supplemental pick and of course Drabek (#15 ranked prospect in the minors) was the biggest part of Halliday. That helps.
Wagner being sold to Boston who then selected their current #3 and #9 prospects 2nd basemen Kolbin Vitec and starting pitcher Anthony Ranaudo. But who the hell needs any of those.
You’re not suggesting Omar put together poor teams, are you? I mean, they had six or seven guys who were all-star caliber players! That’s all you need, a couple of great players. If they get hurt and there’s no contigency plan, that’s just bad luck, not anyone’s fault.
In other news, the earth is flat and my real identity is Derek Jeter.
LOL….
And I couldn’t agree with t agee more.
I want to add in 2009 and all the injuries not having any depth didn’t help either. I’m not suggesting we should have had a major league caliber team down there waiting but the replacement players we did have? Ugh…..
Hi Derek,
Kind of hard to compete when your BACKUPS get injured also. And that’s exactly what happened in 2009. Nobody in any sport in history can recover from what happened to the Mets in 2009….smh..as this has been repeated ad nauseam.
The original post was about Wright and now people are expanding it to a complete analysis of what went wrong with the Mets from 07-09 or whatever. Always happens.
The discussion is about David Wright. If they write another about blog about the roster Omar MInaya built or the effect of our relievers in 2008 then we’ll deal with that.
Sounds like excuses piling in from the I heart David Wright club now.
How about then replying to my question of is Wright the reason the Mets haven’t made it back to the post season since 2006 and where he is on the list of things wrong with the Mets instead?
All these Omar apologists on here…..the backups got injured. Right. What backups? Cora missed a few weeks, ok. Who am I mising? Did Cory Sullivan miss any time I’m not aware of? Or Jeremy Reed? Because the Mets would have very competitive with those studs in the everyday lineup. Too bad they got hurt.
Every starting position player missed time in 2009 due to injury besides Murphy.
Our Starting Rotation was left with Mike Pelfrey.
The Bullpen was without Wagner and JJ Putz for most of the year.
R-Mart, F-Mart, Nieve, Pagan, Niese, Cora, Sheffield, and Schnieder all backups, all were on the DL in 2009
Those names are case in point. That’s the team Omar put together? Jeez, too bad they got hurt.
It was known Wagner would miss the whole year. It was also known that Putz has an elbow issue the year before and would be pitching in the WBC in March. Now I have to ask you, what kind of a jackass gives up 2 players off the 25 and 5 minor league prospects for an injured 5 million dollar a year relief pitcher and then says, sure, go ahead and pitch as many high stress innings in March as you want. That year we also gave up our #1 pick for UFC-Rod (could have had the #1 prospect in baseball Mike Trout)along with 36 or 54 million dollars.
100 million dollars worth of closers.
We were also counting on Carlos Delgado at 37 years of age, a rookie infielder to play LF, even after trading away Endy who could have backed Murphy up nicely and gave Ollie 36 million dollars.
Is it any wonder we had to skimp so severely on all the backups let alone the back ups to the backups?
Every backup from 2009 and 2010′s primary asset was their salary. That’s why they were here. Not for what they could do but for what they cost. Cora is the only exception to that and the decision to sign him for 2M and a 2M vesting option is as inexplainable as many of Omar’s decisions.
The rest of them, Sullivan, Feliciano, Hessman, Mejia, Tejada, Arias, Reed, Cattalanotto, Shefield, GMJ, Jacobs, they were cheap.
Mike Trout with his speed. Imagine him at Citi Field?
Its a real shame, For what its worth, might as well have given Feliciano the closing job or Putz instead of signing K-rod
Makes me sick Clayton, just sick. We’ll probably sign him for 100 million in 12 years.
Do you know that we could have drafted Brian McCann or Jon Lester in the 2nd round if we hadn’t signed David Weathers as a free agent?
We could have drafted Dustin Pedroia in the 2nd round instead of drafting yet another in a long line of high round pitching busts.
We could have drafted Mike Stanton if we hadn’t literally given away our #1 pick for Moises Alou.
Imagine McCann/Thole, Davis, Pedroia, Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Pagan and Stanton with Bay’s 80 million going to Cliff Lee instead.
The reason I really like Alderson is because he really focuses on the farm system, whipping them into shape and making all of them successful ballplayers. The amount of homegrown talent he produced in his time in oakland, and in San Diego is just incredible.
Unlike our prior GMs, Alderson will value the draft picks over a 31-year old that will give you three seasons then fall apart. The type-B free agents, bottom of the barrel guys and farm team is how Alderson makes his teams a success
Guys on their last deal just aren’t worth it. They’re just as likely to be playing cards in the club house during a playoff game as they are to be undermining the manager.
They truly aren’t, there are not many guys in their mid-thirties that will put up consistantly good years as they did in their prime. In my opinon, unless someone 28 at the oldest or younger goes on the market, They are really not worth the 1st-round pick.
Guys like a Justin Upton, Longo a Tulo, CarGo, Felix Hernandez, Tim lincecum tier are worth giving up your first round pick
you can add reyes to the list of players in their 20s that teams will be happy to give up their 1st round pick to sign.
Touche Stick,
but I say Reyes is worth a 5-year deal from the Mets, for the major part of his prime before age takes over and his legs start to go.
I still think we have some years to get out of him before it would be in our favor to be rid of him
I agree about reyes, but it may not be totally the mets call, if he wants to leave. In theory of course they can beat the best offer, if he wants it.
Every thread gets hijacked, usually by some statistician blabbing on and on about what stats he or she likes or doesn’t like.
Discussion of Wright’s clutchness/unclutchness naturally resulted in bringing up his September and October results in the only 2 pennant races he was ever in.
Conclusion: When the heat was on and we really needed him he put together 4 of the best professional months he has had. I brought up Wagner who when the we deep down really needed him he blew it, was unavailable or hurt.
I then added what Wagner’s acquisition and subsequent trade cost us (Kyle Drabek, Kolbin Vitek and Anthony Ranaudo and 44 million) and since we had concluded Wright didn’t blow either pennant for us we examined what did.
My opinion, The rotation and bullpen put together by Minaya as well as his 44 million dollar closer.
Agee, As you are aware, in Moneyball they said that a closer is seen as valueable to others, and you can make a fortune off of them as Billy Beane did.
Closers are the biggest wasted investment. Best to bring them through the farm. after 2011 or 2012, K-Rod should be gone and Parnell should close
Your right Clayton. 3 outs every 3rd game, what’s the big deal. Develop a great closer and you want to pay him and keep him, that’s cool but we literally gave away 2 first round draft choices, a supplimentary choice, Heilman and Smith, five prospects AND 100 million dollars.
One guy pitched well when he was here but was unavailable or hurt when it really matterd, another guy pitched 29 bad innings and the other’s high wire act on the mound (let alone off it) really just isn’t worth 54 million dollars. Not by a long shot.
I hate to keep refering back to Moneyball but it really all starts with drafting. If you draft players and KEEP THEM until they can reach a type-A free agent status or good enough to get some major prospects in a deal, then you create your own players cheaply and keep the process going.
Trade away the closers, keep the starters, let the 35 year old who still has type-a status go and keep the 24-year old in the system. It is a process to keep a team in it for years.
It is all about deceiving the other team into believing you that they need the guy you have, when in fact they don’t. Then you take their young talent and add it to your own.
Exactly Clayton. Most of the guys we get are here for their last paycheck and never leave anything behind (except bad memories) when they leave.
Boston does a great job in getting guys who are still playing for their last mega deal and are still able to play well. Whether it’s for 2 1/2 years like Victor Martinez, 1 year, Beltre or two months, Wagner. Other guys got them picks too. Damon, Pedro, Cabrera, Lowe, Alex Gonzalez, Mueller, Foulke, Gagne.
They’re always picking up an extra couple of supplementary round picks and and a first rounder or two.
I guess that’s why they didn’t tank with all their injuries in 2010 like we did in 2009. They won 89 in the AL East while we won 70 in the NL East.
Exactly, Like they would be the ones to pick up Beltran half way through the year if he produces, he can still reach type-A status and get you a pick.
Hopefully Alderson will realize that and play him for the rest of the season.
On the other hand Reyes may be worth keeping, given that his value is low and hes still only 27.
If Scutaro continues to have success, they might get another pick off of him aswell
We can’t get a pick Clayton. Beltran’s contract precludes him being offered arb.
Really? Then trade him! what benefit do we have of him walking? because he is not coming back, Alderson+Boras=No Deal
of course no chance he is coming back.
but the reason for keeping him is that he is the clean up hitter.
I know hes not a home run threat but why not put Pagan in the cleanup spot? hes the most clutch player on the Mets. Put Thole in the 2 hole.
A lineup like this without beltran and getting some prospects out of him?:
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Pagan, Bay, Ike, Murphy, etc
Apologists is the new buzz word around here.
Get over yourself – Wright was huge in Aug and September in 07 and 08 while everyone else was claming up.
YOU CHOSE to ignore facts, just perpetutate your own ignorance.
Keep saying the same crap over and over he only hits in June and at Pittsburgh, you say you watch the games and you know all but you are making a fool of yourself because you are blatently wrong!!!
Funny when people post numbers with FACTS you deny that too. You’re just a Bayonne apologists.
Everyone said here Wright certainly has aspects of his game that can be improved on and in every post that says that you IGNORE that statement – but call it apologists and Lovefest club BS.
Everyone is wrong all the time except for you – you know more the professionals, the coachs and everyone on team, MLB, simply because YOU SAW IT AND SAID IT IN THE SHOUTBOX
No. That would be being an apologist.
Oh but we got Chris Carter out of the Wagner trade! who needs a first round pick, alot that did for us…
After all Minaya did say that you can’t wait on your farm system in New York, Please! That is why half of the roster is homegrown talent.
An interesting article by Rich Coutinho beat reporter for 1050 ESPN radio.
Here is how he ends his article.
“I know it’s outrageous to think we should wait until all the details of a story come out before we jump to any conclusions. And I know patience is not a virtue of the New York media who would often rather be first and wrong than second and right. Journalism 101 teaches you the latter but somehow in this town we have all forgotten that lesson.”
thestarryeye.typepad.com/nysports/2011/01/what-is-the-truth-about-the-met-finances.html#tp
That is why I didn’t want to write an article about specifically the Wilpons situation. The fact is we dont have all the details. The only thing we know is that the Wilpons are willing to sell up to 25% of the team and the Madoff lawsuit MAY be connected.
Much of Journalism involves speculation but I personally think it should be one where we just wait and see even though it is a very juicy topic in the biggest new center on earth.
you are wise beyond your years, weedhopper.
*NEWS center of the earth** sorry about tht typo.
and thank you, I really appriciate it, but what does weed hopper mean? I only know of the aircraft: WeedHopper. lol
you make me feel old. Or maybe that is just age doing it.
reference to the old TV show Kung Fu.
LoL Stick I see i was correct. LoL
Haha I figured it was some kind of take off of the term “grasshopper” but I didnt know for sure.
Sorry for making you feel old! lol
b4 your time Clayton. I may be wrong but stick could be using weedhopper as another word for grasshopper. Which H e may be using as a parody to the old “Kung Fu” tv series where David Carradine in his youth was nicknamed grasshopper i believe.
yup. I forget where the weedhopper spoof came from. either a movie or maybe SNL.
We will not give up.
‘Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?’
time to turn the float into the death mobile. Call Knog.
This is silly.
Is Wright Madonna? or Marilyn Monroe?
He is an ugly southern boy without education who plays baseball.
Thanks again for proving the American Education system needs a major overhaul. From all that is posted and if that is your deduction, this country in is major trouble. Sad and pathetic how poorly people can read and actually understand what is written.
LOL …without education?? Why because he didn’t go to college? After he was drafted in the first round by a MLB team?
Now that just makes you sound jealous.
And there are a lot of dumb “educated” people out there.
My two cents are that David is a result of his many K’s the last two years, he had a great comeback season this year but the media’s intense dislike for Mets plays into all the stuff you read about David.
I hope that with a new batting coach he will cut down on k’s.
I saw the MLB listing and thought that they were nuts yet the anit-Mets syndrome continues on the MLB network especially when you have a person like Mitch Williams as an “analyst” and I have yet to hear him say anything positive about Mets and saves his accolades for the Phillies.
Until Mets become a legitimate contender, less press on FO goings on and coverage is strictly to on the field then David and others on Mets will receive the same treatment.
Since when does finishing last always, Nats and having a #1 that got hurt already , mean that Zimmerman gets all the press at 3rd and Beltre has always been a player that produces when it is contract time.
I am hoping that that at least with the cut down on K’s that David will bring his avg up and produce more runs as he has in the past.
Lets Go Mets!
I think the same about Mitch Williams as far as his biased towards the Phillies.
Williams has taken nearly every opportunity to rip on the Mets. Except the other day when he actually said something positive about the Mets. He said he believes Angel Pagan is the most underrated player in baseball! I was shocked when he said that.
I wish I remember the exact details, but last ST one of his co-horts called him on the carpet after a Mets comment.
Besides being a Phillie. Did he have any other bad experience against the Mets? lol
I’ll second that Lets Go Mets!