Your stolen bases belong in front of your singles hitters, not your HR hitters.
_____________________________________________________________________________my response is to simply brioaden your horiozons regding the positives in speed. not just AB; but XTRA bases taken, first & thirds, scoring from first on a double are the positives I consider when putting speed @ #2. Again with this HR hitter crap? WRIGHT,BELTRAN,BAY,DAVIS are supposedly the lineup following #2 can u identify that big HR hitter for me? I see a bunch of HR threasts with more likely singles & doubles being gatrhered. except for Bay & Davis isn’t that bnerarlly the ’05 lineip? damned close & how were those gopherballs in tad less challenging Shea? Unless u’ve suddenly been stricken with memoery loss, u may recall my pleas for a BOPPER to replace Delgado ever since he went down. that wasn’r because I held Beltran’s capability as a cleanup hitter in high regard. I’ve seen that pictutre, the reviews were disappointing.

Your stolen bases belong in front of your singles hitters, not your HR hitters.

All this “plate discipline” and OBP talk makes these people feel like they understand the game. It’s easy for them in theory so therefore they know the game. False.
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Sure Bay, next thing u’ll be telling me is u’ve discovered the’re ALL Wilpons.lol

All this “plate discipline” and OBP talk makes these people feel like they understand the game. It’s easy for them in theory so therefore they know the game. False.

You are a sad and pathetic little child.

Once again, If your swinging at every two strike pitch you get which Reyes IS doing then your swinging at the pitch the pitcher has set you up for, Not all of those pitches are strikes, in fact many of them are not. Reyes has been swinging at every single 2 strike offering inorder to keep his AB’s alive and without realizing it pitchers have been progressively using this against him by going farther and farther away from the zone, and he keeps chasing with the usual result being a ground out.

What I am saying is those pitches have to be taken and unfortunately once in a while your gonna get caught. Sometimes the mouse wins. But even though you will occasionally get caught all the other times that you worked the count back into your favor (or neutral) will get you both many more pitches you can hit or other pitches that are off the plate and you can turn a 1-2 count into a 3-2 fastball or ball 4, both of which are great outcomes after being 1-2.

With Reyes current reputation making the pitcher come back over the plate would help him immeasurably.

now that’s enough out of you. try another sport man. baseball just ain’t your thing. basketball seems easy enough for you. it either goes in or it doesn’t. not much even you could get wrong with that.

If you had ever played the game you would know that most of the big hitters hit balls that would be balls if left to pass.

The low and mid outside pitches are the ones that get crushed!

Doesn’t matter righty or lefty!

A fastball on the inside corner is much harder to hit than one just outside the strikezone!

But you think OBP is the only thing that matters so I don’t know why you even are involved in a discussion about HITTING!
You would have everyone walk!

“Swinging outside the zone is basically where most hitters get their hits! I mean not every hit that is counted is a fat pitch over the plate. Those are usually home runs. The majority of ML hits are on pitches that are in a batter’s sweet spot which for most is low and outside where they can extend and drive the ball deep!”

that literally made me laugh out loud. there is not one piece of truth in any of that paragraph and it tells me all I need to know about how much you know about hitting.

That’s tough…..It makes sense in theory but I don’t know if he’d want to do that.

My point about being called out on a 3rd strike is that it should happen once in a while. Obviously it’s not a desired outcome and you would prefer to keep your AB alive but again if it NEVER happens then it shows that your always swinging with 2 strikes at almost everything (which Reyes IS doing) There are 2 strike pitches that should be taken, sometimes you might get caught but many times if you take that pitch you are not concluding the AB by hitting the pitchers pitch. Your making him throw you another pitch which has a greater chance of being farther off the plate or better yet something you CAN handle. Remember the more pitches thrown the greater chance of getting the mistake.

The good that comes from holding up and taking the 2 strike ball far out weighs the couple of times you may get caught.

Swinging outside the zone is basically where most hitters get their hits! I mean not every hit that is counted is a fat pitch over the plate. Those are usually home runs. The majority of ML hits are on pitches that are in a batter’s sweet spot which for most is low and outside where they can extend and drive the ball deep!

Like you said it is a cat and mouse game. And sometimes as a batter you have to anticipate what pitch he is going to throw at you and sometimes you guess wrong! Think Fastball and get a curve and you look horrible! But that is why no one ever hits .500, there is an inteligent mind working against you.

I don’t support swinging at the first pitch unless it’s really fat. But you should not be playing to walk as much as playing the count to YOUR favor. They are very different things!

more important to swing at pitches with 2 strikes if it is close enough to call, fat or not. Foul it off to try get a fatter pitch. If you walk during that process then fine but if a pitch is borderline I would rather have my guy thinking foul it off and be safe than I would have him thinking walk and taking a pitch close enough for a blind umpire to take the bat out of your hands.

Batter vs Pitcher is a very mental game. he is trying to fool you and your trying to predict what he is going to do. You try to get the pitcher to throw you something you can hit and taking balls is a big part of that but in the end you had better be thinking HIT and not walk or you will get punched out because you were trying to get the consolation prize instead of the hit!

But at that point, nobody cares to know the exact number of the percentage of times you get on base. Putting it that way even makes is sound MORE ridiculous. I could care less about that because i’m too busy counting his RBIs – That’s the important thing.

Well in regards to HITTING…YES!

If a guy has one PA and an OBP of 1.000 can you tell what he did at the plate?

And OBP doesn’t tell you what base he got either. SLG might in the one PA example but if there are two or even three PA SLG doesn’t tell you anything either!

So in what I guess Bayonne is arguing, in some cases the PA, BA, and all the other traditional stats are needed. Because those are the PRIME stats all the other metrics are created from!

But thats about all I intend to get involved in this fest betw you and bayone! LOL

I would prefer he hit .050 points higher which would elevate OBP just as much as more walks would but might also drive in more runs! And if that happened the extra walks would be a natural extention from that since they will be as concerned about him hitting in the batters box as they are now about him running if he gets on!

OBP will NEVER be lower than your BA! So if he gets his BA up how often he walks won’t matter because the OBP is right up there with the rest of the leadoff hitters in the league!

And oddly the truth is inverse. It is NEVER the leadoff guy who has the high OBP in the league it is always some slugger who hits for high average and gets walked a little more often so he can’t burn you with the bat and runniers on!