2011 Sunday Night Baseball Schedule – Bobby Valentine Means Must See TV!

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• Alyssa January 12, 2011 at 7:03 pm

  I love Bobby V!!!
• Old Backstop January 12, 2011 at 7:06 pm

  Valentine is the manager that should have gotten the Mets job above all others, but these new whiz kids in the front office were too afraid they’d be upstaged.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan January 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Absolutely no doubt! Although I can see why Bobby Valentine would never work with those guys. You’re right Bobby would have upstaged this new alleged whiz kid crew. I also think Bobby would not have been happy with the type of off season the Mets are having considering the nucleus of the team is good enough to compete in 2011 and the type of fillers being signed so far.
    • t agee January 12, 2011 at 10:28 pm

      Yeah Bayonne, we filled in pretty well behind them the last couple of years. Jacobs, Cora, Cattalanotto, GMJ, Hessman, Arias, Reed, Sheffield, Carter, Francouer, a very talented 20 year old rushed up here and not given a chance to develop AND put in an unfamiliar role only to be joined by another 20 year old in the same situation and added this extraordinary group of fillers to Oliver and Luis when he could have gone out and gotten Kelly Johnson for 2B and Joel Pinero for starting pitcher all for 1/5 the price of Bay.

      Yeah that was SOME TEAM alright. Maybe you’ll catch them all on Mets Classics someday. NOT.

      You
      • Bayonne Mets Fan January 12, 2011 at 10:37 pm

        A lot of those fill ins were due to record setting injuries. If there were no injuries you wouldn’t have seen most of those guys, as you already know.

        Actually that 20 year old rushed up here is our best defensive second baseman and played 2B during our best ball last season.
        • Des January 12, 2011 at 10:59 pm

          He’s so good that the fans in Buffalo will love him. He better hit or Binghamton will be his next stop. lol
          • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:03 pm

            Let’s hope that doesnt happen. The last thing I want is to see Tejada dropped down to AA cause he is struggling at AAA.
        • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:00 pm

          “Actually that 20 year old rushed up here is our best defensive second baseman and played 2B during our best ball last season.”

          I’ve seen you say this before can I ask if your saying if Tejada was not playing 2b during that stretch the Mets would have not played their best ball?

          Are you saying it’s possibly more than a coincidence that the Mets best ball of the season coincided with Tejada playing 2b?

          Are you saying anyone that played a lot during that same stretch for the Mets also had a lot to do with how well they played at that time?

          Did Jason Bay’s play in June have a lot to do with how well they were playing?

          Just asking since I know you hate people to spin your words and I have no intention of doing anything of the sort.
          • alwaysnextyear January 12, 2011 at 11:11 pm

            I was actually curious, so I checked his stats. For the month of June, he was actually better than the rest of the year.

            .279/.323/.344/.677ops.

            not good by any stretch, but way better than his overall numbers.

            of course, for July and August he hit like a pitcher (a bad pitcher) before rebounding and putting up respectable numbers in September.

            if he was anything, it sure wasn’t consistent!
            • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:12 pm

              Do yourself a favor and checkout what Frenchy hit in June.
              • alwaysnextyear January 12, 2011 at 11:18 pm

                was that his one good month?

                I checked. even hitting .310, he could only muster a .801 OPS.

                still better than the rest of his year though.
              • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:20 pm

                I was just surprised that he hit above .300 that month to begin with.
            • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:19 pm

              But yeah Tejada had a good month in June that is why I hope he can continue in 2011 to grow unlike what he did once he was sent back down last year.

              Hopefully Tejada can hit well enough to make people change their minds about him in 2011. At least that is what I hope. Other than the potential that Havens can provide the Mets at 2b if he ever reaches his potential Tejada is second on the list of players i’d like to see make the team and play 2b everyday.

              No offense to Murphy but I just don’t think he can play the position as well as Tejada could.
              • Des January 12, 2011 at 11:24 pm

                He can’t but he can hit a helluva lot better. Murphy will probably wind up as a super sub. Not a bad gig, but not an all-star.

                If Tejada hits with average and occasional power, some club, maybe the Mets, will play him. He needs to beef up a bit.
              • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:30 pm

                BTW if anyone is curious what the Mets players hit in the month of June here is the link.

                baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_team.cgi?full=1&params=month|June|NYM|2010|bat|AB|
              • t agee January 12, 2011 at 11:51 pm

                I agree MNJ. I like Tejada a lot. He was just way too young but he never looked stressed out there. Covered a lot of ground, made a lot of errors but many young middle infielders do and he has much more experience playing SS.

                He does need to rework his stance in my opinion but he has a great eye and a short swing that keeps him from over committing.

                At the very least he will definitely be a VERY good back up MI and he won’t be getting 2M a year to do it either.

                I like Murph too but infield or outfield, he’s a corner, not a middle. I’d give him every chance but I can’t help thinking of Brooks Conrad.
        • t agee January 12, 2011 at 11:15 pm

          Spin. Spin. Spin. Beltran underwent surgery in January. Omar, even knowing Beltran had been hurt the year before and actually had more of a “condition” than an injury “obtained” GMJ who WAS our starting CFer on opening day.

          Omar also was so interested in backing Reyes, who also was injured the prior year AND Castillo who was injured/out of shape ALL of 2008 with Cora he gave him 2M AND vesting option.

          Hardly emergency injury fill ins.

          Catalanotto? Price was right. Carter? A DH in the NL? Shefield so used up the Tigers cut him and paid him to play for us. The Tigers! At least they get rid of their mistakes. Reed? Give me a break. Jacobs? The best he could do with 6 months to plan is to back up a rookie with Jacobs? Whew boy. Now your really spinning out of control.

          The first 20 year old I was referring to was Mejia. He started with us on opening day, wasn’t even used in any pressure situations why was he here? To lose a year of development? The Manager even told him to forget all of his pitches other than the cutter. Some plan to develop your prospects. Anyone in professional baseball would have been our best defensive second basemen but not everyone in professional baseball would have been brought up here with no history of success above A ball and allowed to struggle for months while losing development time, an option and costing us a year of team control for very little in the way of production.

          No Bayonne. Other teams don’t back their starters with players who shouldn’t even BE in the Major Leagues and this in year 5 and 6 of his “plan.” I wonder what his ideas were for year 7?

          Pretty good team? Try again. Not even close.

          Spin. Spin. Spin.
          • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:21 pm

            LoL there goes that Scott Clark reminder of “You are out of this woooorld!”

            
          • Bayonne Mets Fan January 12, 2011 at 11:24 pm

            Yes it was,
            You’re the one spinning with these long diatribes jumping around.

            I never said everything he did was good.
            Those WERE good teams unfortunately everybody got hurt and in 2009 even the backups got hurt.

            a tough changeup in 2006, a couple of choke jobs in 07 and 08, the most historic injuries any sports team probably ever had in 2009. A little break here and there (no pun intended) history would be different today. But it did not work out that way and here we are.

            You’re Monday morning quaterbacking again.
            • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 11:28 pm

              I don’t think I ever used diatribe in a sentence on a Mets blog. Wait! I just did LoL.
            • t agee January 12, 2011 at 11:44 pm

              A team is more than 7 or 8 highly paid free agents. A team is 25 guys and REASONABLE replacements in AAA. This wasn’t a team. It was abunch of guys on injury rehab in 2010 backed by a full 8 roster spots that didn’t even belong in the Majors.

              I’m not jumping around. I’m stating, with specific examples, how Omar concocted the absolute anthisis of a team.

              Playing a rookie infielder in LF and getting rid of your best defensive back up outfielder? And for a relief pitcher EVERYONE knew had a bad elbow AND letting him pitch in the WBC in March? Whew. Bayonne, this wasn’t even a close to being a GOOD team. This was a situation of spending so much on guys who returned progressivley less and less and running out of money for capable back ups. Not admitting Perez was a mistake and getting Pinero (2/16) Looking around for someone, anyone who theoretically could do something but hadn’t actually done anything in years as long as the price was right.

              2009 and 2010 were the most ill conceived, incoherent rosters for a supposed contender I have ever seen. If it weren’t for unexpected contributions from Davis, Pagan and Dickey we would have lost 100 games.

              I’m not jumping around. I’m talking about what a s**t team Omar put out there the last 2 years.

              Your trying to say he put together a well conceived roster and was only done in by injuries. You know better than that. Your just backing Omar as having a good team because the new GM isn’t running around signing everyone like a chicken with his head cut off, to expensive long term contract when anyone with a brain in their head KNOWS that’s why we have failed miserably the last 2 years.

              Spin that for your swami.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 12, 2011 at 11:52 pm

                agee

                Like I said, I didn’t like a lot of what he did either and did not like a lot of things you mentioned either and have ranted about those issues here before………. but it wasn’t a s**t team like you said. WIth a little luck on his side and no injuries, history would be different today. You already know that.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:03 am

                And when did I say I wanted Sandy to run around spending money crazily? I never said that, I said I wished he would have just spend a little more money and I’ve said that many times so why are you lying?
              • t agee January 13, 2011 at 12:06 am

                Bayonne, That is not true. I know no such thing and either do you. And you, as a former manager, current manager, I’m not sure which, would certainly know how hamstrung Manuel was with the ridiculous roster he had to work with.

                What moves could he make? Who could he bench to get a point across? He started out with 23 roster spots plus Ollie and Carter. What could he do?

                You know better Bayonne. You just don’t like the fact that Alderson dabbles in sabermetric stuff as if it was santeria or something.

                Your losing credibility here.

                It was the most ill conceived roster of all time for a team “expected” to contend. And again I ask, If GMJ was the backup in year 6 of Omar’s plan with 9 months to work on it what would the plan have been in year 7? What if he had 12 months to work on it? Would he have sought to acquire Bernie Williams? The fact is he has had 6 years to work on a credible backup to Beltran and GMJ is what he gave us?
              • t agee January 13, 2011 at 12:17 am

                Well I don’t really know what you stand for Bayonne. All I ever see from you is complaining about sabermetrics, attacking people that like sabermetrics and bitching about Wright.

                What do you want them to do? You never join in any reasonable discussions about what we should or should not do. If a player is brought up for discussion and the author mentions sabermetrics you take the whole discussion to a different place. Your hatred of sabermetrics. I’d prefer to discuss the players. New math old math I don’t give a s**t. I never hear you advocate getting this guy or not getting that guy. It’s only about attacking authors or posters because they used a sabermetric term.

                I have a pretty good feel for what most posters want with the team. With you I don’t get that feeling. I think you just concoct arguments based on the other poster’s predisposition toward sabermetrics.

                We’ve heard you. We know where you stand on that issue. Where do you stand on baseball issues. I don’t know and either does anyone else. Go ahead and ask around. See if there is anyone that has any idea where you stand on issues other than sabermetrics and Wright.

                Lastly, Did it ever occur to you that Alderson probably shouldn’t be taking the blame for not spending any money this year?
              • XtreemIcon January 13, 2011 at 12:24 am

                Bravo!
              • Bayonne Mets Fan January 13, 2011 at 12:51 am

                That’s right,
                I never talk about other players and I’ve never proposed my own ideas on what should be done.

                People are gonna keep defending Wright and I’m gonna keep reminding them he’s a numbers accumulator who pisses in his pants in big spots, how many years of the same thing before people realize it? In my opinion he was the biggest trade chip we had and moving him for some big pieces would completely alter the course of this team but why bring it up? Most Mets fans don’t want to hear that.
                I’ve already addressed the managers situation and my 2 choices were not picked. There’s not a whole lot to say about the bargain basement players that were picked up.
                And yes Sandy inherited a financial mess but he still could have spend a little more money other than on scrap heap hoping that he gets lucky and they wind up working out, but he chose not to. Adam Rubin addressed that point.

                And yes I HATE the new organizational sabermetric beliefs just like a lot of other professionals do. I think it’s complete garbage and if an author here blatantly ignores traditional baseball statistics in his post and instead give us a “text msg” version of a player’s stats, especially a new player or minor leaguer I will continue to call them out on it because I despise sabermetrics and do not believe in it.
              • t agee January 13, 2011 at 1:30 am

                I have supported your contention that the person writing the article should write it for everyone. I’ve also agreed with your description of OPS as a “lazy stat” I feel that was well said. I myself like to know ALL the stats since many of these players, especially in the AL are unfamiliar to me.

                That doesn’t mean that OTHER people shouldn’t be able to post their ideas using stats THEY prefer.

                Referring to Wright pissing on his leg when instead you could support your position with some facts would be interesting.

                Advocating Backman because “he’ll sell tickets” and I know your going to spin this one already, doesn’t give anyone any reason to support your position or not.

                I gave quite a few reasons why I thought Wally was wrong for this team. Too many moving parts, K-Rod’s option, rookie manager, spend a couple years with the kids who WILL have his back when he gets up here rather than have the vets on their way out tuning him out AND throwing him under the bus and mostly have him get up here WHEN we’re ready to compete, not have the press on his ass when there’s really nothing he can do in 2011. Those are all really good reasons to wait on Wally. You gave us “he’ll sell tickets.” Not enough, not a good reason. I am a big believer in putting people in the best possible situation in which to succeed. 2011 is not that for Wally. Worse, fail here and where does he go then? No one’s managing this team to .500 this year. This is a transitional year brought about because of all the wild spending over the last 20 years but especially the last 6.

                I have a pretty bad feeling that the not spending this year is not even all about Omar or Alderson and that should concern us all.

                Lastly, we know how you feel about sabermetrics. I’m not so fussed about plenty of it either. I have a HUGE bone to pick with the sabermetric people over a double standard that they are employing. I disagree intensely with their stand against defense but there are things I agree with. That is my right. To have every mention of some new fangled stat turned into a diatribe against sabermetrics is boring.

                You know baseball, you could add a lot of intelligent discussion about our team. There hasn’t been too much to talk about I’ll give you but there has to be more than hatred of sabermetrics and Wright.
              • t agee January 13, 2011 at 1:34 am

                And your right, he could have spent a little money, but tell us on who and why.
              • Mr North Jersey January 13, 2011 at 3:03 am

                Well said T Agee. I wish bay could get beyond his hate issues cause on the rare occasions he does he has a lot worth reading. Which is a shame cause it is a rare thing indeed. for example i dont recall bay talkin about his fav met moments. i’d luv 2 hear about that.
      • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 8:41 am

        Hitman thought it was a horrible sin for me to make the same criticism several times. Unless Hitman is a total hypocrite and fraud he better blast you t agee because you have used the list of bad Mets under Omar a lot too. LOL. just kidding you agee. But I’m sure you know that!!!!! Do I need to re-list all the horrid Phillies that were signed the last 4 years????? Some of whom were horrid Mets as well? On a more serious note t agee, how does a team win the division when a loser and Met reject like Wilson Valdez gets over 300 ABs???
        • t agee January 13, 2011 at 12:19 pm

          Harry, Valdez was a decent back up middle infielder and a definite upgrade for the Phillies over Bruntlett(?) and that was just one of their bench players and he’s backing up players who are younger and less injury prone than Cora was and he’s making the minimum, which allows the Phillies to spend elsewhere.

          Valdez is a very good defensive player. He can at least play 1/2 of the game and at critical positions.

          With Reyes and Castillo’s recent injury history we would have been far better served to have KEPT Valdez and saved 1.5 million and used it elsewhere.
  • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Yea that would explain why no one else has hired Valentine as well. GM’s around mlb fear he will upstage them all.
    • alwaysnextyear January 12, 2011 at 10:24 pm

      especially a 62 YO guy being called a “whiz kid”. what’s next, young whippersnapper?
      • Mr North Jersey January 12, 2011 at 10:26 pm

        HAHAHAHA
        • alwaysnextyear January 12, 2011 at 10:29 pm

          thank you. I will be here all night.

          make sure to have the waitress and tip the veal.
• XtreemIcon January 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm

  So long as I don’t have to hear Joe Morgan ever again. I’m good.
• Des January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm

  I thought the guy most everybody wanted was Wally. What happened?
  • Matt January 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Only the mongoloid fans wanted Wally.
    • Des January 12, 2011 at 10:15 pm

      I think you’re using code words — LOL.
• K Maxx January 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm

  You gotta check out this link to an LA paper about Valentine. A bunch of lame-brains!

  The Angels will not have to endure meeting with noted gas bag Bobby Valentine, according to sources with knowledge of ESPN’s initial plans for this season.

  Valentine, the greatest manager he’s ever seen in baseball, is now part of the network’s Sunday night broadcast team.

  The best line ever written concerning Valentine’s sense of self-importance came from former Register staffer Tom Keegan. While working for the New York Post, Keegan wrote, “Had he known that his New York Mets would play baseball so badly, Bobby Valentine never would have invented the game in the first place.”

  http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/01/12/whew-angels-spared-encountering-valentine/70832/
  • XtreemIcon January 12, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Yeah, Bobby Valentine was an awesome manager. Mets should have gotten him back so his fake nose and glasses could inject some life and grit into the team.
  • Harry C January 13, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Its really amazing. The Mets had a really terrible manager and a really really terrible genral manager and yet there they were, in the playoffs two years in a row and the 2000 WS. Cashen ( who was a great GM) and Johnson ( who was a pretty good manager) managed to get to the playoffs no more than the horrible Valentine and the horrid Phillips.
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