Comments on: Are Hernandez and Olerud Hall Worthy?

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:32:35 +0000

I can too Matt. I feel he’s 10-15% short of the Hall but I would take a whole team of Keith Hernandez’s any day of the week.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:31:52 +0000

Right,
Due to his numbers he’s not in the HOF and I don’t have a problem with that but I don’t think he was an average hitter either. I think if you asked any of his contemporaries they’d say the same thing. There was nothing average about Keith, except maybe his speed, lol.

I always said if anything got him into the hall it would be as the greatest fielding first baseman of all time. And that can be argued.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:29:34 +0000

Well it was something that every single kid (that I know anyway) dreamed of doing millions of times and yet in over 100 years of World Series’ he was the only one ever.

Great World Series, Great upset. Pretty cool team too. They deserved it.

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:26:56 +0000

Never said anything was wrong with his game…I’m a fan of his and would be happy to see him in the HOF…but, baseball has always been a numbers-driven game, so I can understand why, due to his numbers as a first baseman, he is not in the HOF.

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:24:27 +0000

8-time gold glove winner as a second baseman…and he had 1 pretty special homerun. Comparable to Joe Namath being in the NFL HOF. Namath had a career completion percentage of 50.1% and threw 47 more interceptions than TDs. He is in the HOF because of the guarantee, Maz is in the HOF because of the HR versus the Yanks.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:21:55 +0000

Not sure what your inferring but these are pre steroid era stats. Maybe in comparison to some of the Giambi era stats they don’t look like much but there was nothing wrong with Keith’s game.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:19:16 +0000

Not only am I gonna say above average but he offered a LOT more to his teams than just numbers. The man was a leader, he inspired winning, came up with big hits in HUGE spots time after time after time so it’s a LOT more than just numbers. That’s his legacy and everybody including his professional contemporaries know that.

Just a few fans in this new era like to just look at numbers and live and die by that. Very stupid.

Above average for sure.

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:01:43 +0000

2182 hits, 162 HRs, career .296 avg, and .821 OPS.

When you say he was not an average offensive player…are you saying these numbers are above average or below average?

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 02:14:01 +0000

Keith Hernandez was not an average offensive player

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 02:08:25 +0000

First base is a hitters position. SS is a defensive position. The shortstops who are in the hall of fame, generally, do not have great offensive production but are great defenders, whereas, the first baseman in the hall of fame are in their due, in large part, to their offensive feats. Hence, the reason Ozzie Smith, a soft-hitting, great defensive SS is in the HOF and Keith Hernandez, an average offensive, great defensive 1B is not.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 02:02:27 +0000

Oz wasn’t just the best defensive SS of all time (itself quite a distinction and at the most important defensive position on the field) He was not a no show on offense either. Ran the bases great, stole bases, walked a lot, struck out next to never, had 30-40 x base hits every year and was the glue behind a team that won a couple and got ripped off of another World Championship.

By: t agee

t agee — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 01:52:36 +0000

The totality of Keith’s play, including the best glove at 1B ever, his high BA, OB and xtra base hits, leadership, Co-MVP numerous All-Star games (should have been more but the popularity of Rose and Garvey cost him some) and 2 world championships makes him a viable topic but I think he falls in at 85-90% of the Hall. Close but no mustache.

By: johnny63

johnny63 — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 01:38:40 +0000