30
2010
Jason Bay Placed On DL, Reflecting On His Signing
An article by Hojo's Mojo
The Mets officially placed outfielder Jason Bay on the disabled list on Friday.
Bay continues to suffer with continued headaches, a week after he hit the outfield wall at Dodger Stadium while making a catch.
Minor league outfielder Jesus Feliciano was promoted from Triple-A Buffalo to take his place and will be available tonight against the D’Backs.
Also, David Wright will be back in the cleanup spot after getting the game off yesterday.
It’s starting to feel a lot last season lately, not in terms of overwhelming injuries, but you get the sense that the Mets have gone as far as they’re gonna go, and it’s all downhill from here.
I hope I’m wrong.
Bay hits the DL with an unimpressive .259 batting average, six home runs and 47 RBI. At the time the Mets decided to go after Bay, they said he would be a better hitter at Citi Field than Matt Holliday.
Holliday is one year younger, and is batting .302 with a .526 slugging percentage and a .904 OPS, 150 points higher than Bay. He also has hit 19 homeruns, including one at Citi Field, and driven in 60 runners. Holliday has struck out 59 times, compared to 91 for Bay.
Safe to say the Mets guessed wrong.
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Look, Bay wasn’t all that productive when he played, so why should it hurt so much going on the DL? Not knocking Bay here, but the Mets haven’t gotten their money’s worth out of him. Maybe it opens a door for Francouer to get back on track to restore some trade value so that when Bay is ready they can then move Frenchy in a trade. At least the Mets have some depth for once to cover for the injuries.
Yeah but remember, Bay is a better defender than Holliday so there, we got the better defensive part.
I don’t believe that Francouer will ever get back a value he never had. He was great for two years until the league figured him out and he refuses to adjust.
I would rather see Feliciano or Carter out there than Francouer cause the time that it will take for him to “find his swing” could cost Mets games that they should win.
Bay I believe just did not understand the pressure of playing in NY when you have two teams competing for the back pages not one team as in Boston.
Sarge, from your posting, I get the destinct impression you’re using fantasy league evaluations to judge Frenchy’s value, as u totally dismiss the runs avoided strength of this “Tomahawk missle” right arm’s causing 3B coaches throughout the league erecting permanant stop signs!
For that value alone Frenchy’s worth more than both Carter & Feliciano in RF, those two would need a cut drill between them to provide French Resistance we presently have patroling RF. Sarge, in REAL BASEBALL it’s not only about offensive numbers. runs kept from scoring are as valuable as runs u drive in, though not nearly as obvious. Francoeur certainly, on the field & more so in the clubhouse has a value much greater than those 2 career minor leaguers, Carter & Felicano. of the 3 Frenchy’s the youngest:
PLAYER DOB
FRANCOEUR 01/84
CARTER 09/82
FELICIANO 06/79
FRANCOEUR CERTAINLY ISN’T ALLSTAR QUALITY; BUT HE CERTAINLY IS A PROVEN GAMER IN APPROACH/ATTITUDE. THE OTHER 2 ARE HUGE ?!
Back to the issue @ hand, Bay certainly is the product of “getting what u paid for” Suprisingly everyone dumbly ignores his PNC stats focusing mainly on 1+ yrs in Boston for comparisons with Fenway & not his 3+ yrs in Pittsburgh.
PNC & CITI are remarkably similar dimensionally:
CITI PNC
LF 335′ 325′
LC 379′ 410′
CF 410′ 399′
RC 383′ 375′
RF 330′ 320′
On the surface, it would seem Citi’s dimensions would not be as daunting as it appears to be,since as a Pirate Bay’s HR production was still acceptable; but getting under the covers Re. PNC power #s would’ve revealed:
YEAR HR PNC
2004 25 15
2005 32 9
2006 35 13
2007 21 7
2008* 22 15+ (3 @ FENWAY)
*TRADED TO BOSOX.
SO FAR THIS YEAR, BAY’S 6HR HAVE BEEN SPLIT 3 @ HOME, 3 AWAY. HISTORICALLY AS A PIRATE PLAYING IN PNC 44% OF HIS HR WERE “HOME HOMERS”
My conclusion is that his current drought is unrelated to Citi’s depths & more likely big contract jitters/pressure which hopefully abaits after this season enabling a Normalization to occur as happened with Beltran.
Based on expecations, Jason Bay’s first year in NY is certrtainly an unqualified “BUST”!
you have zero understanding of what makes a player valuable. again, frenchy is possibly the worst regular right fielder in history and any team that lets him bat will be much worse for it.
Just a bit of sarcasm with the Bay vs Holliday defensive woes.
it seem’s that every big name STUD the mets aquire is more dud than stud, what else is new ?
Guys… Matt Holliday is also making $17m in
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
Option 2017
Jason Bay is signed through 2013 with an option
The two contracts are not even close. If somebody wants to tell me that’d rather Holliday for his $ than Bay then you’re either insane or forgetting that Holliday has a luxury of hitting behind the greatest hitter in the last 15 years.
Not to mention the years he spent in Colorado with the rare air.
Joe, just an FYI, Matt Holliday just played his 162nd game as a Cardinal against the Mets.
In 696 PA he is batting .321/.394/.556
Total Colorado lines are .319/.386/.552
Pretty amazing huh? That’s why I said he was a great hitter in my previous comment.
Thats also why I said he had not plateaued yet and is still peaking.
He’s definetly a great hitter, who has been aided by the rarified air at Coors and hitting behind Pujols. He only had 400 plate appearances in Oakland but his numbers weren’t as prodigious. Who knows he may have hit the same there.
Hitting in front of Pujols, not behind, would be the best advantage for a hitter.
Let me begin by saying I am not a Met fan, I am an Angels fan.
The option on the Bay contract is assured of being automatically activated based on games played, not performance. So go ahead and say Bay is signed through 2014.
Also, Bay for the most part was hitting behind Wright(.301 189 TB) who is having a similar season to Pujols (.295 205 TB in Year One of the Bay/Holliday contracts. Forget how phenomenal Pujols was in the past and let go by this year.
Bay would have to hit 15 homers in August and 15 more in September to match last years production. Ain’t happening.
Bay is obviously in decline, while Holliday has shown no signs of plateauing or decline. He only needs 5 more homeruns and 40 RBI to exceed last years production.
Holliday will be 37 at the end of his deal, Bay will be 35, not that big a difference.
Holliday is a great hitter (.316 career BA) and when his decline does begin it will be gradual and he will be productive for many years.
Bay is already in decline and was never a great hitter (.278 career). His game was based on power and those types of declines happen hard and fast. You may never see another 15 HR season from Bay.
Holliday was still the safer choice.
So one bad year and Bay is on a decline? It is unfair to expect him to match last years HR and RBI totals because last year Bay played half his games at a hitters park now he is playing half his games at a pitchers park. Since you are a out in LA you might not realize that Citi field is one of the hardest places to hit a HR. Look what it did to Wright’s power numbers last year. He went from 33 HR and 124 RBI to 10 HR and 72 RBI.
Now I’m not saying Bay is having a bad year just because of Citi field but I do think it is a big reason why he is having a down year. There is still 2 months left in the season he can still turn it around.
So then why did the Mets hit more homeruns on the road on the road than at Citi last year, including Wright? Where is your supporting evidence?
Why have Mets pitchers allowed more homers at Citi than on road in 2009?
Why are home/road splits even this season?
I might be in LA, but clearly its not me who is confused.
See thats your problem you are not watching the game you are just looking at the stats. Everyone that watches the Mets knows that Citi field huge. Bay has hit alot balls this year that would be out in Fenway but were just fly balls in Citi Field.
First of all I made a typo in my first post, I meant to write that they HIT MORE HOMERS AT CITI than on the road.
You still havent answered my question Vinny.
What you said about Bay can be said about Adrian Gonzalez, stats are all that matter. The reason we use them is because sometimes our eyes deceives us.
Again, you are not watching the game you are just looking at the stats. If you watched a Met game you would know that the Mets can’t do anything on the road. They can’t hit doubles, singels, or homeruns on the road. You can’t hit homeruns if you are not making contact.
Vinny,
WHo wouldn’t love to see JB “turn it around”? But, seriously, he has headaches and is on the DL!
How on earth can this guy come back to the lineup in 2010 and be even mildly productive? WHo knows, maybe it will play out like some fantasy, and the concussion suddenly makes him an annihilating hitter. Sure, it will. The boy’s on ice for 2010.
Did we already forget how good of a player Bay was with the Red sox and Pirates? This is a guy who drove in 119 runs last year and 101 the year before and now he can’t even be “mildy productive”? Are you serious?
Dead serious, but I hope you’re proven right and I’m wrong.
Tropic: Love the Angels organization. Self promotion, you ever read my blog about them or are you new here? http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/angels-should-be-the-mets-blueprint.html…
Anyway… here’s the difference between a 35 and a 37 yr old “power” hitter
Vlad, Rolen, ARod or Magglio, Tejada, Ibanez
big difference to me
I follow about a dozen different non-Halo blogs, and this happens to be one of them. I only started follwoing MMO around the holidays last winter and no I didnt read the post before. (BTW it took a few tries for the url to load properly).
Nice piece. That’s some high praise and it is deserving. I cant help but notice the gripes of many Mets fans against ownership and management, and I can tell you though Angels fans have complaints too, it’s not really directed at our manager, GM or owners. I’ll share this with some of my friends on the Angels boards.
As for the names you cited, I’d have to look closer. I see Magglio on your list as the 37 year old, isn’t he batting .300, as I said pure hitters will keep being pure hitters, but power will go faster than batting average. Also, your sample size has to be extensive because the info I cite is from years of known facts between types of hitters and rates of decline.
Hojo, they didn’t guess wrong they monied wrong. By the way it was reported today on WFAN at about 6pm that Freddye Wilpon is being sued for the tune of 16 mil that he invested with Madoff. It seems a truckload of people lost their pensions. How would you like to have your future invested with this crew? Very sad.