Comments on: What To Do About John Maine? http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-to-do-about-john-maine Sat, 26 May 2012 04:13:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: oldtimer http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33453 oldtimer Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:40:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33453 12-14 wins? He's not a #4 starter if he can do that! But watching him the last two years why would anyone think he could do that? 12-14 wins? He’s not a #4 starter if he can do that! But watching him the last two years why would anyone think he could do that?

]]> By: jdon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33449 jdon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:40:53 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33449 The guy cannot get past the 6th inning, ever. His usefulness as a dependable starter is in question. As a relief pitcher you have to consider two issues. One, he tends to blow up, throw 7 or 8 balls in a row at times. He loses his arm slot a lot. That does not bode well for a relief pitcher. Second, he has been hurt a lot lately. How often could he pitch? I have no problem non-tendering him and letting him go. This is a business, Wontpons. Start running it like one. The guy cannot get past the 6th inning, ever. His usefulness as a dependable starter is in question. As a relief pitcher you have to consider two issues. One, he tends to blow up, throw 7 or 8 balls in a row at times. He loses his arm slot a lot. That does not bode well for a relief pitcher. Second, he has been hurt a lot lately. How often could he pitch? I have no problem non-tendering him and letting him go. This is a business, Wontpons. Start running it like one.

]]> By: Joe http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33437 Joe Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:02:15 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33437 The guy is so incredibly hard-working and motivated. He's shown he can be lights out. How can the team non-tender him? The guy is so incredibly hard-working and motivated. He’s shown he can be lights out. How can the team non-tender him?

]]> By: Nick http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33432 Nick Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:36:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33432 I say we keep him. Even though he had a rough start this year, he was amazing during the last week of the season. I think if we give him another chance, he won't screw it up like Ollie did. I say we keep him. Even though he had a rough start this year, he was amazing during the last week of the season. I think if we give him another chance, he won’t screw it up like Ollie did.

]]> By: steve http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33428 steve Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:55:05 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33428 I agree they should put him in the pen.But he should only pitch 3/4 times a week.In a definate role,no coming in between innings.Just starting an inning.Especially early on i wouldn't let him pitch in back to back games.But i believe him coming in for 1 or 2 innings he can let it loose,just dial it up and throw it past hitters. I agree they should put him in the pen.But he should only pitch 3/4 times a week.In a definate role,no coming in between innings.Just starting an inning.Especially early on i wouldn’t let him pitch in back to back games.But i believe him coming in for 1 or 2 innings he can let it loose,just dial it up and throw it past hitters.

]]> By: Colonel_Kurtz http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33426 Colonel_Kurtz Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:05:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33426 Maine has battled through injuries, but the guy wants to play. Unlike Ollie, who came into the season completely out of it and thinks his 8 BBs/game are somehow part of it, Maine goes out there. I think it is a tad unfair though to mention how few times he pitched past the 5th inning AFTER the injuries since he was limited by the team. He was only allowed three innings against the Phils (in which he gave up 1 run I believe) and was fairly decent in his other starts. His main problem is indeed the lack of swings-miss. But for a guy who pitches as the #4 or #5, you can do a heck lot worse. I mean, he could be a guy like Ollie who made 12-million with a wonderful 3-4 record (and an era over 6). At least Maine's victories don't cost a million each,assuming Ollie can even get 12... Maine has battled through injuries, but the guy wants to play. Unlike Ollie, who came into the season completely out of it and thinks his 8 BBs/game are somehow part of it, Maine goes out there.
I think it is a tad unfair though to mention how few times he pitched past the 5th inning AFTER the injuries since he was limited by the team. He was only allowed three innings against the Phils (in which he gave up 1 run I believe) and was fairly decent in his other starts.
His main problem is indeed the lack of swings-miss. But for a guy who pitches as the #4 or #5, you can do a heck lot worse. I mean, he could be a guy like Ollie who made 12-million with a wonderful 3-4 record (and an era over 6). At least Maine’s victories don’t cost a million each,assuming Ollie can even get 12…

]]> By: Lifelongmetsfan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33424 Lifelongmetsfan Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:37:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33424 I agree with John. Maine is still capable of 12-14 wins. Hopefully his shoulder is healing and he is gaining strength back. I am not familiar with his type of scar tissue but someone did explain to me last summer that Maine will be pitching with pain the remainder of his career. Maybe someone on this board has more knowledge of Maine's scar tissue/pain issues and can speak to this better than than I can? Maine in the bullpen just doesn't work for me. It would take him 20 minutes to warm up and most likely he is entering the game with men on base. Maine isn't a rare back and here it is type of pitcher. He seems more of a finding a groovy-rhythm.I think it would take him at least 1 or 2 batters to get settled. Why couldn't Maine be our #4? I agree with John. Maine is still capable of 12-14 wins. Hopefully his shoulder is healing and he is gaining strength back. I am not familiar with his type of scar tissue but someone did explain to me last summer that Maine will be pitching with pain the remainder of his career. Maybe someone on this board has more knowledge of Maine’s scar tissue/pain issues and can speak to this better than than I can?
Maine in the bullpen just doesn’t work for me. It would take him 20 minutes to warm up and most likely he is entering the game with men on base. Maine isn’t a rare back and here it is type of pitcher. He seems more of a finding a groovy-rhythm.I think it would take him at least 1 or 2 batters to get settled.
Why couldn’t Maine be our #4?

]]> By: John http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33422 John Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:16:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33422 Am I in the minority or majority in thinking that nontendering John Maine would be a very very stupid move. Maine has sure struggled through injuries in the last year and a half. But when healthy, this guy is a bonafide starter with excellent stuff. Let's not forget how light's out he was in 2006. Sure, he's had issues with the fifth inning hump, but I think that is something he's put behind him. I'd be very susprised if the Mets nontender him today. This team needs every opportunity they can get with pitchers. Am I in the minority or majority in thinking that nontendering John Maine would be a very very stupid move.

Maine has sure struggled through injuries in the last year and a half. But when healthy, this guy is a bonafide starter with excellent stuff. Let’s not forget how light’s out he was in 2006. Sure, he’s had issues with the fifth inning hump, but I think that is something he’s put behind him.

I’d be very susprised if the Mets nontender him today. This team needs every opportunity they can get with pitchers.

]]> By: oldtimer http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33421 oldtimer Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:02:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33421 That's a lot of money for a setup guy. Especially one who spends a lot of time on the DL. Non-tender him and use the money somewhere else! That’s a lot of money for a setup guy. Especially one who spends a lot of time on the DL. Non-tender him and use the money somewhere else!

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33418 METS62FAN Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:44:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33418 IN THE REAL WORLD I'D BE WORRIED ABOUT MAINE'S ABILITY TO PITCH IN 4 OR 5 G/WEEK LIKE A TRAINED TOP SETUP SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF EFFECTIVLY. I'M ONE WHO BELIEVES, THAT LIKE PELFREY, MAINE WAS DISSERVICED BY PETERSONIZATION, CREDITING RICK WITH TOO MUCH OF HIS SUCCESS INSTEAD OF LOOKING TO SELF RELIANCE. THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH BOTH OF THESE SUPPOSED SP STALWARTS IS THE TOTAL LACK OF SELF-CONFIDENCE(A BULLDOGISHNESS) BELIEF THEY ARE THE BETTER OF THE 2 COMBATANTS 60'6" APART, ONE WITH BAT THE OTHER WITH BALL. NEITHER TRULY BELIEVES THEY ARE THE SUPERIOR IN THESE MATCHUPS.(FORCING A 'CUTENESS' TO THEIR BATTLES RATHER THAN CHALLENGING. I THINK ZITO MAY HAVE SUFFERED SIMILARLY AFTER BEING DE-PETERSONIZED. ONE ANAL-RETENTIVE POINT OF ORDER: MAINE WAS THE "ALSO INCUDED" PLAYER IN THE BENSON FOR JORGE JULIO DEAL. IN THE REAL WORLD I’D BE WORRIED ABOUT MAINE’S ABILITY TO PITCH IN 4 OR 5 G/WEEK LIKE A TRAINED TOP SETUP SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF EFFECTIVLY. I’M ONE WHO BELIEVES, THAT LIKE PELFREY, MAINE WAS DISSERVICED BY PETERSONIZATION, CREDITING RICK WITH TOO MUCH OF HIS SUCCESS INSTEAD OF LOOKING TO SELF RELIANCE. THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH BOTH OF THESE SUPPOSED SP STALWARTS IS THE TOTAL LACK OF SELF-CONFIDENCE(A BULLDOGISHNESS) BELIEF THEY ARE THE BETTER OF THE 2 COMBATANTS 60’6″ APART, ONE WITH BAT THE OTHER WITH BALL. NEITHER TRULY BELIEVES THEY ARE THE SUPERIOR IN THESE MATCHUPS.(FORCING A ‘CUTENESS’ TO THEIR BATTLES RATHER THAN CHALLENGING. I THINK ZITO MAY HAVE SUFFERED SIMILARLY AFTER BEING DE-PETERSONIZED.
ONE ANAL-RETENTIVE POINT OF ORDER: MAINE WAS THE “ALSO INCUDED” PLAYER IN THE BENSON FOR JORGE JULIO DEAL.

]]> By: Mykey http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-to-do-about-john-maine.html#comment-33415 Mykey Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:21:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=16624#comment-33415 I 100% agree with you. I have been saying for a while now that Maine should be in the bullpen. It will save his arm in the long run. I can see him as the setup guy to K-Rod, and maybe even in a few years from now taking over the closers role. I'm not sure who, but one of the Mets announcers I believe, said in the past that he might make a good closer. Let's put him in the bullpen, and who knows, maybe then we won't need to go out and sign a setup guy, and can use that money on soemone else. I 100% agree with you. I have been saying for a while now that Maine should be in the bullpen. It will save his arm in the long run. I can see him as the setup guy to K-Rod, and maybe even in a few years from now taking over the closers role. I’m not sure who, but one of the Mets announcers I believe, said in the past that he might make a good closer. Let’s put him in the bullpen, and who knows, maybe then we won’t need to go out and sign a setup guy, and can use that money on soemone else.

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