It looks like the Yankees are set to make the loudest noise in Indianapolis since the 93rd running of the Indy 500 last May 24th.
A rumored three team deal between the Tigers, Yankees and D’backs is now official according to several sources.
Here is what it looks like:
The Yankees get Curtis Granderson, the D’Backs get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy, and the Tigers get Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Austin Jackson, and Phil Coke.
Jon Heyman tweeted the follwing,
Teams in agreement on trade. Assuming medicals check out, it’s a go.
And John Morosi adds more finalization,
They have a deal: Granderson to NYY, E. Jackson and Kennedy to ARI, A. Jackson, Coke, Scherzer, Schlereth to DET.
Congratulations to the World Champs and the kings of New York. Well done. That is exactly how a team is supposed to inspire and excite their fanbase. Once again the Yankees steal the show at the Winter Meetings and send their fans into a celebratory hysteria. Your unending willingness to improve your team is unmatched by your crosstown rivals who are content to wallow in mediocrity.
Last off season the Yankees signed the two biggest available stars in C.C. Sabathia and Mark Teixeira, and their decision paid off handsomely in the form of their 27th World Series title.
Instead of resting on their laurels like many teams would have, the defending World Champs go out and make a huge 3-team blockbuster trade that most fans can only dream about for their teams, but to be fair don’t forget that the Mets also had a 3-team trade in the works
However, it was hardly a blockbuster and more like a toy cap gun with a silencer attachment. In fact, it was more about dumping a player than it was about improving the team on a massive scale like the Yankees did.
Is Curtis Granderson a superstar in the mold of a Teixeira or Crawford? Of course not, but it’s a significant move for the Yankees who add a solid player with tremendous upside, and upgrade an already championship caliber team. The mets can only watch with their mouths agape st the left fielder they could have had will patrol Yankee Stadium instead of Citi Field.
However, fret not Mets fans… Options like Pat Burrell, Juan Pierre, Jose Guillen and Cory Hart are still there for the taking.
In a year when the Mets probably don’t have to engage the Yankees in a bidding war for John Lackey or Matt Holliday, the Mets may actually sit this one out under the pretense that next years free agent crop will be better. That will buy them another year, and of course by then the Yankees will be “all-in” on Carl Crawford and Joe Mauer.
In a year when the Mets were the team that absolutely needed to make the biggest splash, they were once again outdone by their big league brother.
Sometimes it’s tough being a Mets fan in this city.
The Mets don’t need to make a big splash. They have great players Wright,Reyes.Beltran,Santana and K-rod. They just need good players around them and the Mets will be succesful.
Good trade for the Tigers and Yankees. I don’t know if Jackson is much better than Scherzer.
Except for Santana those are GOOD players, not great.
Wright is over-rated.
Beltran can be very good at times and have great moments.
Reyes has the ability to be great except he’s brainless.
But people like you won’t see that. Regular fans won’t want to look at those things.
You are such a Wright hater is ridiculas……but I keep forgetting, you know more then every other fan just because YOU say so……..there isn’t a team or a fan out there that wouldn’t take him on their team in a NY Minute. You hate him, I get it, you have a Wright radar anytime anyone says anything other then venom against him and you’re on it immediately.
WE GET IT – YOU HATE HIM – YOU THINK HE’S OVERRATED – AND YOU KNOW THE GAME BETTER THEN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE FREE WORLD.
You appear to be really smart and knowledgeable sometimes, but saying wright is overrated is the most stupid thing I ever heard. I guess having gary sheffield and daniel murphy and fernando tatis batting after you should make you hit 50 home runs.
Wright had an off year. But tams would be salivating if he was to be put on the trading block.
I guess batting .302 33 and 124 is just average and lousy.
Year before he batted 325 30 107.
I mean a .300 hitter who hits 30 home runs and over 100 RBIS consistently just sucks.
Bayonne,I don’t know what game you are watching.
I dunno, I watched the same games as all you guys and have to agree with Bayonne. I can’t even remember the last time Wright had a meaningful hit. EVERY TIME I saw him come up with the team down and with RISP, he’d be flailing at pitches and end up grimly tossing his equipment with that same stupid expression on his face. I really do like the kid and own a couple of his jerseys, but man, he really disappeared last year. I don’t care if he had people batting after him or not, he just plain didnt show up. 10 HRs from someone who is supposed to be the center of the franchise is just “not acceptable.”
Anyone who says wright is not clutch doesn’t know what they are talking about. He has driven in over 100 RBI consistently druing his career. If you drive in over 100 RBI consistently you are clutch.
Reyes is one of the most dynamic players in the league. He will score 100 runs steal 60 bases and play great defense. He is also a good hitter he can easily bat 290 and hit 15 HR’s. He is still young and could get better.
Beltran has to be one of the best CF in the game. He Gives you 100 RBI 25 HR’s a year. He also is one of the best defensive CF in the league. He is also clutch remember the playoffs he had with the Astros.
K- rod set the record for the most saves in a season. He holds batters to a 190 BA. He has a career ERA of 2.53.
Other teams would kill to have them.
CHICH, THAT’S EVEN TOO OPTIMISTIC A STATEMENT FOR ME TO SWALLOW. I NEEDED A 10 MIN TIMEOUT TO CLEAR MY HEAD OF YOUR STUNNING OPTIMISM. UNFORTUNATLY EVEN I SEE YOUR ARGUMENT HAS ABOUT 20 OR SO HOLES IN IT(REMAINING ROSTER) I’D CONCEDE THAT ONLY IF EACH ONE OF PELFREY,MAINE & PEREZ PITCHED TO THEIR FULLY OPTIMIZED POTENTIAL DO U HAVE A CONSIDERATION. ADDING @ MINIMUM MOLINA & LACKEY WITH F-MART & PAGAN PLATOONED IN LF. YOU’LL COMPETE MAYBE EVEN CONTEND IF EVERYONE IS 100% HEALTHY & WRIGHT REBOUNDS.
CHICH, PLEASE NOTE HOW MANY IFS ARE INCLUDED THERE!
You say their are 20 holes in my agrument what are they? They are saying now the Mets are going to sign big players this off saeson. The Mets will compeat.
OK, CHICO THE 20 WAS A FIGURE OF SPEECH BASED UPON SUBTRACTING YOUR “SURE THINGS” FROM 25 MAN ROSTER; BUT I WOULD START RIGHT NOW WITH DEFINING ‘HOLES’ AS; 4 SP 2 THRU 5 IN THE ROTATION, 1B,2B,LF,C,SETUP. CERTAINLY THEY’RE ALL ADDRESSABLE; BUT BASED ON YOUR COMMENTARY WE SHOULD ONLY CONSIDER WHAT’S “ON HAND OR IN HAND” THE FIRST CONSIDERATION MUST BE THE BIGGEST ‘IF’ IMMAGINABLE LONG BEFORE THE LITTLE ‘IF’ OF WHOM WE SIGN TO FILL HOLES. THAT’S THE BIG “IF THEY’RE ALL HEALTHY” FOLLOWED BY THE IF WRIGHT REBOUNDS, IF FRANCOEUR REBOUNDS/STEADIES/IMPROVES, IF DELGAado’s STILL CAPABLE OF 30-40 BOMBS, NOW WE CAN LOOK AT IF THEY SIGN LACKEY,BAY,MOLINA. CEWRTAINLY I’M OPTIMISTIC; BUT REALIASTICLY SHOULD THE BIG IF PROVE AFFIRMATIVE Re HEALTH BASED ONLY ON THOSE OFFERS MADE BEING SUCCESSFUL. MY PREFERRED LINEUP WOULD BE:
REYES
BELTRAN*
WRIGHT
DELGADO
BAY
FRANCOEUR
CASTILLO**
MOLINA**
P
* I BELIEVE WITH A STUD BASESTEALER LEADING OFF THE USE OF A SACRIFICE TO ADVANCE HIM IS SUPERFLUOUS AND PREFER #2 TO BE A BAT BUILT TO HANDLE THE HEALTHY DIET OF FASTBALLS REYES’ ON BASE PRODUCES.
** CAN FLIP BASED UPON PROTECTION NEEDED BY FRENCHY MOLINA 8 CAN DRIVE IN CASTILLO & BE SAC ADVANCED BY P IF NEED BE FOR REYES TO DRIVE IN. IF CASTILLO FOLLOWS MOLINA A LOT OF DPs SHOULD RESULT ON EVERY CASTILLO GB.
This post echoes my sentiments exactly. While we sit on our laurels after 3 consecutive busts, the Yankees (who have already won the WS last year) are out there improving a team they really don’t have much to improve upon. It just goes to show who the REAL team in New York really is.
And let’s not get me stated on the whole “the meetings just began” and they “have a plan” and are “being patient.” While they wait for the market to come to them, other teams are signing players and making deals happen. They are being proactive and actually WALKING the walk, not just talking the talk. The Mets can pull the wool over my eyes a few times, but it’s only a matter of time before I wisen up and realize that they are just happy wallowing in a river full of mediocrity and “promise.” False hopes and promises that is….
Until they make a major signing and fix this team, I’ll sit on the sidelines and applaud other teams, as much as I hate them…(Yanks and Phillies)
And let’s not give me this boatload of crap about signing B Agents like Piniero, Marquis and Wolf. Let’s be serious. They’re supplemental picks and B-Free Agents for a reason. Will we have to overpay for John Lackey? Yes. That’s the price you pay for being a horrible team and making stupid decisions. You pay it, help fix the glaring hole in the rotation, and move on to the glaring hole in LF. If the Yankees were in our position (which they wouldn’t ever be in because they actually KNOW how to approach building a team—and don’t give me the crap about them not winning in 9 years or so—if buying a championship works every 10 years, I’ll take it–period.), they would have blown everyone out of the water on Holliday and signed Lackey already. But alas, we’re the 2nd rate team in NY, and probably always will be.
To the Coupons—Go To Hell. Stop dragging out team through the mud. I’ll live and die as a Met fan. Unfortunately, the Wilpons will most likely still own the team at that time. Sad.
Wow, what would you have been writing if the Yankees signed Holliday. Granderson is very good player but its not like they got another superstar.
The Mets plan is going to wait for the price to drop on the big 3 free agents. If they can’t get them they will try to trade for Willingham,Rivera or Hart. sign a Molina. Sign either of Pinero or Wolf. Then take a chance on Sheets or Escobar. Resign Delgado. Get a relief pitcher.
This is what I think they want the Mets to look like this year.
1 Reyes
2 Hudson
3 Wright
4 Delgado I know manuel will want him 4th
5 Beltran
6 Rivera/ Willingham maybe Carwford?
7 Francouer
8 Molina
1 Santana
2 Wolf
3 Sheets
4 Pelfery
5 Perez
I think that is Omar’s plan.
A horrible plan. Second rate players….AGAIN.
Before it was an issue of money, then the Coupons gave in. They threw the money at the wrong players. Now that some difference makers are available, they don’t want to throw money at them.
You can’t win here. They need to buckle down and get things done. No matter how you slice the pie, the Mets are SECOND RATE. I’ve come to terms with that as a fan. Why can’t everyone else?
I hope I’m proven wrong by the end of the offseason. I will gladly come and apologize for my thoughts.
Yes chico is crazy. His trade proposals are the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard.
Omar doesn’t have a plan. He’s going into the season hoping the core is healthy and revived. But that plan will not work out. The Yanks, on the other hand, devised a strategy and got right down to business to improve their championship team even further. We’re concentrating on backups and forgot the main course.
MIKE, FAR BE IT FOR ME TO QUESTION YOUR FANDOM; YET I MUST SAY U SOUND MORE LIKE U WANT THE METS TO BE THE YANKEES. UNFORTUNATLY WE’RE NOT OWNED BY DEEP POCKETS UNRELIANT ON MLB PROFITABILITY. DO U KNOW WHAT THE WILPON FAMILY’S ‘CORE’SOURCE OF INCOME IS? REAL ESTATE! ISN’T THAT A REMARKABLE PLACE TO BE RIGHT NOW(SARCASM)? HERE’S I LITTLE HISTORY STORY; 2 OWNERS SUPRISINGLY JOINED FORCES TO BATTLE THE EVIL COMMISSIONER OVER LUXURY TAX(CAP) INRODUCTION. THEY LOST. ONE(STEINBRENNER) EXITED VOWING TO NOT LET IT EFFECT HIM OR HIS METHODS AS A WAY TO RENDER IT USELESS. THE OTHER(WILPON) VOWED TO MAKE IT INCONSEQUENTIAL BY PROVING U CAN STILL WIN WITHOUT OVERSPENDING & THUS NEVER PAYING THE TAX. THERE ARE OTHER LESS OBVIOUS REASONS FOR OUR FRUSTRATIONS. FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER’S DRAFT SLOTTING GUIDELINES AS WELL AS TRYING TO REBUILD A 4th PLACE(71-91) CLUB TOO QUICKLY THROUGH SIGNING TOP F/A THUS LOSING EARLY DRAFT PICKS, NOT OFFERING ARBITRATION TO DEPARTING TYPE B F/A TO GARNER MORE PICKS, TRYING TO REKINDLE OWNERS’ SHAREDTIME WITH HIS FATHER W/BKLYN DODGERS THE PERENNIAL #2 NY MLB FRANCHISE, AND NOT INDUCING TEAMS TO INCLUDE TOP PROSPECTS WHEN REMODELING ROSTER WITH FIRESALE OF VETS BY REFUSING CASH CONSIDERATIONS.
MIKE, BEFORE U JOIN “THE OUST WILPONS” TRY TO REMEMBER ALL NEW OWNERS MUST FIRST BE APPROVED BY OWNERSHIP COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF OTHER OWNERS WHO ARE UNLIKELY TO ALLOW ANOTHER FREESPENDING MONSTER IN THEIR MIDST. LOOK TO FORMER PERENIAL CONTENDERS CINCY,PITT,KC BEFORE LOOKING AT NYY. TO COMPARE OWNERS. WILPONS HAVE FLAWS; BUT THEY’RE FEWER THAN OTHERS.
And let’s not kid ourselves….players like Wright, Reyes and Beltran didn’t get it done in 2006 when they could have (when they were healthy)…
The core is good, but not that good. We’re kidding ourselves if we think bringing back the exact same team will make things happen. Put the same product on the field, get the same result. PERIOD.
They came one game away from the world series. and if the had Santana they would have won it all. The difference form the 06 team and this team is In 06 they had players around the core who did good.
They came one game away from the world series in 06. and if the had Santana they would have won it all. The difference form the 06 team and this team is In 06 they had players around the core who did good.
Good? But not good enough. The core didn’t work then, it most likely won’t work now. Let’s stop living in fantasy land.
Well Tattoo we already know the core has changed with Delgado gone (or most likely) sure changes and additions have to be made and I don’t believe the core is the problem its the supporting cast. 25 guys have to win, NOT a core.
MIKE, 2006? WHEN WE’D LOST 40% OF OUR ROTATION BEFORE PLAYOFFS? IS THAT WHERE U WANT TO START THE BLAME GAME? REMEMBER WE ENTERED THE POST SEASON WITH BOTH PEDRO & DUQUE UNAVAILABLE RELYING ON GLAVINE, TRACHS, UNPROVEN MAINE & PEREZ FOR A ROTATION & GOT WITHIN 1G AFTER 2 ROUNDS. I DON’T LEGITIMATLY SEE THAT AS FAILURE. BTW, HADN’T WE ALSO LOST OUR PRIMARY SETUP IN DUANNER? SURE, INJURIES ARE PART OF THE GAME; BUT 40% IS A HUGE # & REPLACEMENTS WERE 2 HUGE ?(MAINE,PEREZ)
Your title says it all. We are nothing but a second class team in this city. While rooting for the Yankees in the World Series against the Phillies, I discovered a respect for their organization that I was never willing to admit to until now. They are a first class organization and they truly care about winning and putting out the best product that they can. I only wish the Mets were half as committed as the Yankees are. Also, the Mets players all seem to take on the same soft spoken lackadaisical approach as the owners and the front office. Anyone else see that?
FOREVER, IT WAS INEVITABLE ONCE FRED BOUGHT OUT DOUBLEDAY, I’M NOT SURE HOW LONG FOREVER IS; BUT IF U REMEMBER ’86 WELL U MAY NOT RECALL FRED BEING TOO VISIBLE THAT YR AS IT WAS CERTAINLY DOUBLEDAY’S TEAM & FRED WAS EMBARASSED BY MUCH OF THE GOINGS ON INCL THE SWAGGER & TAKE NO CRAP ATTITUDE. HE WAS THE IMPETUS TO THE DISMANTLING AFTER NELSON LOST HEART AFTER ’88. HE’S NEVER GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.RUMOR IS IT WAS FRED WHO INSISTED CASHEN PRESENT TEAM WITH THE BILL TO REFURBISH THE DAMAGED PLANE BRINGING THEM BACK FROM HOU WITH PENANT. ASSESSING PERSONALITIES IS THE REAL REASON BEHIND THESE MANDATORY ‘PRIVATE’ DINNERS BEFORE SIGNING BIG NAMES. FRED IS NOT & TRULY HAS NEVER BEEN A MET FAN AS WE’D LIKE HIM TO BE. TO HIM IT’S MAINLY A WAY OF KEEPING HIS FURTIVE MEMORIES OF “TIMES WITH DAD AT THE BALLPARK” ALIVE. WHY ELSE DO U SUPPOSE THE DODGERS ARE MORE ENSHRINED IN THE FIRST EDITION OF CITI? UNFORTUNATELY, DOUBLEDAY HAD THE DEEPER POCKETS & THE FIERY FANDOME & HE GOT TOO OLD & WEARY. THEY’LL BE NO SCENES LIKE STAW CHARGING MOUND OR KNIGHT LETTING FISTS FLY UNDER FRED’S GUIDANCE. IT’S ONLY NOW WE’RE SEEING SOME ’86 LOVE BEING SHOWN, IT ONLY TOOK 23YRS.LOL.
i agree with Chicho. A good tradee for the Yankess. But lets not get hysterical. i still believe we will be active this off season. And perhaps Hart is a ‘sleeper’; also trading cheap for LF leaves dollars and prospects to acquire pitching and 2B elsewhere.
That said, i would like to see a couple of deals by us this week.
It’s not about hysteria. It’s about complacency, which the Mets seem to have a lot of lately. Now is not the time.
Mark my words—if we continue to sit back, we will NOT be contenders.
i agree, which is why i ‘expect’ them to do 2 relatively big trades this week, setting up F/A signings for later in the winter.
The Mets have to make a ‘splash’ for the fans and they know it. Francesa said that tonite and , for once, i agree with him. Francesa said he thought Mets would get Halladay. That i do not know.
Yes the Mets were “in talks” for a three-way trade, yet when Luis Castillo is the centerpiece in said deal, we’d be lucky to get the ashes of Dimaggio at this point. DOM Dimaggio.
Dom D. was an All-Star center-fielder for years. HIs era’s version of Tori Hunter just to let you know.
But his ashes won’t get us much further than Ted’s frozen head will.
Where are all the Mets suck-ups who believed that bull shit Wilpon and Minaya laid on all of us during their appearance on WFAN?
Didn’t I tell you not to believe their twisted lies when they said that they were going after a number 2 pitcher and cleanup hitter?
Where are all the Mets fans who wanted to give Wilpon and Omar the benefit of the doubt?
Are you all back under your rocks?
Are you always an ass or is today a special occasion?
I agree with him. Until the Wilpons (not Omar because he’s just a puppet) prove otherwise, this team will still be a joke next season.
No need to insult him for his opinion.
Gimme a break. Some of you are so ridiculous. You act like tomorrow is opening day when there is still over 3 1/2 months of off season left.
Stop making sense – that is apparently not the Met fan way. These days to be a Met fan you must whine and complain and worry about every other team. You must lower your mental ability to a 12 year old.
Oh let me guess….you’re one of those optimistic ones who thinks waiting on the sidelines while everyone else has a FLURRY of activity to address NEEDS is the right way?
You must work for the Mets front office. They’d love to have you. And I’m sure they’d give you a 10 year deal! lol
Grow up dude. We all have opinions. Respect them. If you don’t agree, no problem. Let’s agree to disagree and move on. Call me a 12 year old for being realistic. I have no problem with that.
Peace.
K, WHAT’S TODAY’S DATE?
Sorry but I’m so sick of reading about what they got and we didn’t. I’d say its still early but that will just bring out the but..but…but..
There is a long winter, are we going to have a hate post everytime some other team signs someone?
Rome wasn’t built in a day……good god
Everyone says “build the farm”, those same people say “make a splash”. I just want the team to have a plan. I don’t need them to win the World Series this January. If you want Thole to be the starting catcher in 2011, don’t sign a free agent for three years in 2010. If you need pitching, stop worrying about how to trade a 2b who hit .302. Do you want to draft well, develop players and have homegrown talent on the big club or do you want to be on the back page during the Winter Meetings? You can’t have it both ways.
Did you critics want Granderson so badly? Was he the middle-of-the-lineup bat we needed in LF? If we traded one of our top pitching prospects for him, would you be happy right now or would you criticize them for that too?
Everyone would run Omar out of town if he traded top prospects for Granderson.
Umm the problems it seems the yankees gave up shit and got an excellent center fielder. Austin Jackson= Ike Davis. Phil Coke= Bobby Parnell. Ian Kennedy= Jon Niese. Actually probably something below that.
I wouldve done that deal for Granderson in a minute. A superstar he is not. But a guy who can hit doubles, triples, and home runs and steal bases. Come on!! He had an off year, but his number suggest he is a better player than that.
All I know is that Curtis Granderson is jumping up and down with joy tonight. Good for him! Too bad we didn’t get him on our team. He’s just the kind of player we need, not the pack of scrubs Omar is picking up for top dollar.
“The Yankees Gets Better, While The Mets Get Metsier”
Great headline, Joe. But I’m crying in my Schaefer beer, longing for the days of the skinflint, Branch Rickey.
Some smart money has the Mets battling for 4th place in the NL East next season. Will they have less than 70 wins?
They are an 85 win team if Reyes and Beltran are 100%, and Wright remembers how to hit home runs, and Pelfrey doesn’t give up 300 hits, and Johan doesn’t punch out his left fielder, and…
That’s too many “ifs”. This team is poorly constructed.
In my opinion the Yankees are “the” team in New York and all of MLB, and they know it. They will always view finishing anything other than world champions as an embarassment, and to that point their team will never be good enough. The Yankees have too much history (and too much money) for the Mets to overcome (unless Bill Gates decides he wants to own a ballclub in New York).
The Mets will always be the “other” team in New York and as a Mets fan I’m ok with that. What I’m not ok with is the confusion that seems to swirl around this team. The management of this team needs to show its fan base (you know the people who fill the seats) that they have a plan other than trying to sign every close to or over the hill catcher in baseball! And if the management is unwilling to do that then SELL THE TEAM.
Ok First of all this Granderson trade was probally the biggest and smartest move the yankees or should i say cashman has made. Shelling out money and getting who you want is not exactly Being a great General Manager. Gettin Tex and cc. and the other dude made the diffrence and it took money. Omar has to be smart and making these decisions is gonna be hard. But we got johan, we got beltran and we got krod. So omar knows what he is doing, the problem is timing and if the players want to really play here. if we won it in 06 things of course would be diffrent today. but we didnt and basically the mets failed, randolph shouldnt have been fired. Omar put the mets on the map again. and its the team and the front office that is making him look bad. Right now its about getting the Right players not the best players. Then yankees will always get the best players. And they will be the team to beat, and seeing them lose with such team will be worth watching. But as a mets fan i go for the underdog. and the team needs to shape up especially its fan base. We sound like a bunch of bitches. Articles like this comparing us to the yankees is what pisses me off because there are many teams not doing what the yankees are. And wish that they could. the mets arent the only ones with this problem. The issue is we play in new york. The mets are always the other team but there my team. I hope and Pray that we can move forward and not backwards. Right now i have till the end of next week to renew my 15 game plan or not………and you guys aint helping.