Roy Halladay Negotiating With Phillies After 3 Team Blockbuster

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• theonlymaskman December 14, 2009 at 4:38 pm

  With Lackey and Halladay apparently taken, are the Mets going to continue the thumb twiddling while someone grabs Marquis. With Halladay leaving the Jays, look for Marquis taking a physical in Toronto.
• Bob L. December 14, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  It’s a bummer because we’re idle and lost Lackey to Boston. But the Phillies get a #1 pitcherr for a 1a pitcher…i bet Lee and Lackey’s #s are close. Haven’t checked. More ticked we just seem to sit there.
  • D December 14, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    We didnt lose Lackey to Boston…The Mets didnt make an offer!
    • Bob L December 14, 2009 at 7:27 pm

      i know man; that’s even worse that we didn’t make an offer. this is a bad day in Metland.
      • T.J. December 14, 2009 at 9:09 pm

        Thank God we didnt make Lackey an Offer. A Statistically down trending older pitcher with elbow problems who wants 5 years? Thank goodness we stayed out of that mess
  • theonlymaskman December 14, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Omar in his own sweet time is not working because other teams are aggressive and working busily to improve themselves for next year. It appears signings will be furious this week. Omar appears to be putting all his effort into Bay (if we actually believe the offer is genuine) and is likely not to get him signed up anyway, unless the offer gets significantly better. I’d like to know what Omar actually does at work. Looks like he’s just a clock puncher.
    • jdon December 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm

      While the Phillies and the Red Sox, two teams who actually know what they are doing, went after PITCHERS, Omar and Co. diddled with Jason Bay. There is no point in wasting money on Marquis. What will you do, give him 3 or 4 years? Who needs that? We are going nowhere. Save your money for next year’s FA market, Fred. This year is over. can we fire Omar and Jerry now?
• duckbunny December 14, 2009 at 5:00 pm

  Like I’ve been saying all along, ACTIONS (or in this case, INACTION)speak loder than PR…the Coupons have been LYING to the fanbase all along. They WERE hurt badly by Madoff; They lost a TON of money, Their baseball operations HAVE been significantly impacted negatively. They are now a mid-level team (at best) in THE major market, competing with the big boys. Sorry you got burned, Fred $ Jeff, but you should have been honest with Mets fans all along. The fact that you chose not to speaks VOLUMES about your priorities. Good luck with those season tix that aren’t moving, BTW.
  Perhaps a consortium of potential owners- ones who want to WIN – can buy them out, now. I fear that’s the only hope for the future. Otherwise, prepare to get further nickeled and dimed to death.
  • Tom December 15, 2009 at 12:38 am

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125609397243898233.html

    Nope, It was all a lie.
    They made money off Madoff-$38 million. And according to Forbes the Mets have made over $80 million over the last 3 years. The 2009 Mets drew 3 million fans, producing a reported $115 million-JUST in ticket revenues + TV money…and then they turned around and spend about half of MLB teams on average spent on the draft this year…They chase after backup catchers while the Phills get Haladay, etc…

    Can’t see where ownership gives a crap about the product they put on the field.
• Lifelongmetsfan December 14, 2009 at 5:02 pm

  We’re all just assuming the Mets have planned on going after Lackey and a starting power right handed bat in LF.
  What if that is not the plan? What if the Mets have planned on only signing a right handed power hitter to either play 1st or LF and have no intention at all to sign a #2 pitcher.
  Doesn’t this make more sense when considering how the Mets have stood idle???
  Who knows what the “plan” is?
  We all just assumed the Mets would make every effort to sign the best possible players for LF and #2 in the rotation but… what if the Mets would be happy just signing lowwr tier players such as Nady and Marquis to fill those roles.
  I am very confused. The Mets could have easily gotten into the Roy H. trade by offering Pelfrey, Niese, Pagen Fernandez..
  I wish I knoew what the “plan” is. Even if by some miracle we do sign Jason Bay we’re still an at best 3rd place team.
  • jdon December 14, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    If that was thir plan, then it was a bad plan. Bad plans are worse than no plans at all.
• Fire the GM December 14, 2009 at 5:05 pm

  Lets face it guys, this is typical of the Mets. Who still believes that Madoff had no effect on Mets finances? Wake up and smell the blockbusters!
  • jdon December 14, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Here is the thing–we could have gotten Lackey for what we are offering Bay. Who cares about a fifth year? Does anyone think they won’t be able to pay the guy after 4 years? Now lackey maynot have come here—who could blame him?—but everything I have read says they did not even try.
• Colonel_Kurtz December 14, 2009 at 5:13 pm

  As I have been saying, there was no way this team was getting Halladay. Why the heck would he want to sign a longterm extension to a losing team? He would pitch 1-year and then go to the FA market. No way the Mets were getting him or any true value.

  Then we have Lackey. Sure, we could had given him the Burnett money for a guy who was injured. But the guy also made indications he didn’t want to pitch here. Guys want both money AND a winning team. This team is a mess. So now it is either Bay or Holliday (unless Bay knows how to play 1st). Then they add some second-tier pitcher and that is it.

  Remember, there were way too many holes to fill and not enough options. This will take at least another year. If these guys play hard enough and sneak in with the Wild Card, maybe people would be more interested playing for the Mets.

  So in short, 3 straight non-playoff appearances crippled with what is obviously a lacking team equals little interest. And a lot of this could be directed to both Omar and the Wilpons for not constantly re-developing the team and planning for the future. If you are gonna do a win-now mentality, you better win it all. You can’t fix holes the year AFTER it blew open and not notice the new ones coming.
• russell Zanca December 14, 2009 at 5:22 pm

  All I know is the Filthies have no Kelvim Escobar or Ollie Perez!

  I still say we have what we need right now to battle for third place.
  • Tom December 15, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Maybe 4th…
    • Tom December 15, 2009 at 8:08 am

      I think we’re still another back-up catcher away from 3rd.
• Phil Groh December 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm

  All I can say is Lets Go NY Giants 2010! The Mets are obviously on the sidelines for 2010, and the NY Giants season 2009 season ended last night. Omar! Omar! Where art thou?
• Keith December 14, 2009 at 5:40 pm

  ok listening 2 everyone get all worked up that we didnt get halladay is kinda ridiculous, 1st of all i knew for a fact that we werent getting him at all, because if they did trade for him then not only do we lose a ton of prospects as well as maybe our SS in reyes (i heard thats wat toronto was asking for) we have 2 sign him 2 another 100 plus mil dollar contract, now as great as it would be 2 have johan and doc in the same rotation, that wud also screw us as far as signing any potential free agents. the mets have 2 many holes so trading/signing doc and noone else wudnt help our squad imo we wud be witout a LF, 1B, C, etc. we wud be spending all our money on paying 130 mil to both johan and doc. and lets say we didnt have 2 give up reyes, i believe hes a free agent next yr, how do u plan on resigning him if u are payin both doc and johan, even better question who the hell do u get 2 play SS if we do lose him??

  i think everyone is juss upset that he went 2 the phillies, i agree it sucks but its not as bad as if they kept lee and got doc, dat wud be devastating. they just basically replaced 1 good pitcher for a better 1, did we forget that we have 1 if not the best pitcher in the gm ::cough, cough:: johan. and for not a crappy bullpen 2 yrs ago he wins the cy young hands down. i personally cant wait 2 see doc vs johan.

  anyway bay seems all but set to come 2 the mets along with molina. so we have our left fielder, and catcher, ive said this b4 if delgado proves he can be healthy and perform u bring him baq for 1 more yr 2 play 1st, and that also adds a lil more pop in the lineup so LF,C,1B set, it doesnt look like they are gonna trade luis so hopefully hell have another good yr, so 2B set. and now we focus on pitching trades can still be made, if not FA pitchers are still out there. im not opposed 2 signing marquis and sheets 2 short term deals and have the rotation look like this:

  johan
  sheets
  pelfrey
  marquis
  maine

  idc what u do with ollie lol, while this may not be the most attractive rotation its a vast improvement from last yr as long as everyone stays healthy. and with a lineup that can look like this:

  reyes
  castillo
  bay
  delgado
  beltran
  wright
  francouer
  molina
  pitcher

  i say that the team will look pretty good imo.

  ANY THOUGHTS??
  • theonlymaskman December 14, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Yeah! You’re dreaming! Bay is far from in the bag. The offer needs to be improved greatly to get him and we don’t know whether the Mets will go for that. The rest of your note is a bunch of cockamamie BS.
  • TommyJ December 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    “as long as everyone stays healthy” and your lineup includes a 39 yr old 1st baseman with a surgically repaired hip…..
    • Keith December 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm

      to theonlymaskman:

      well lets look at the teams in the market for bay

      sea- out because of the recent 3 way trade that gives them lee, and the contract that he will demand as well as the contract for king felix, that bottles up w.e money they were gonna give bay.

      bos- just signed lackey so they are basically saying they are out the bay sweepstakes

      now all that leaves is the mets unless u kno of a team that i dont, please enlighten me. and as far as the rest of my post wats so BS about it?? im looking at the 2nd tier pitchers that the mets will have 2 look at, if they dont make any type of trade. also everything else i said makes perfect sense regarding halladay. if the mets were 1 piece away from a championship then yes by all means go all in for doc, but we have way 2many holes so trade/sign doc. we wud not be able 2 sign anyone else cuz of all the money we wud be paying 2 starters 130 mil a piece.

      and to tommy j:

      u ppl dont seem 2 kno how 2 read i clearly say that if hes HEALTHY and proves that he can still play he is our best option at this point, i kno he just had surgury but if hes HEALTHY he can be a big help not only defensivly but also offensively, he gives us a bit more pop in the line up again IF HEALTHY, and with murphy on the bench that improves the bench. but if delgado does break down or sucks it up u throw murph out there, ur obviously not gonna give delgado a major deal, so i feel there is a higher reward then risk in signing delgado for 1 yr.
      • theonlymaskman December 15, 2009 at 3:48 pm

        Bay goes to either the Angels or Yanks unless Mets seriously improve the offer.
  • Evan_S December 14, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Why is David Wright batting sixth when he is by far the best hitter in that line up?
    • Deebo December 14, 2009 at 9:51 pm

      The reason is because David Wright doesn’t have the stones to be the best hitter. When “Big Sloppy” Ortiz went into the tank to begin the season, Bay stepped up and hit WHEN IT WAS NEEDED!

      David Wright wilts when he hits in the 3 or 4 hole, when he is asked to carry the load. It’s sad to say, but look at the facts.
      • Evan_S December 15, 2009 at 2:21 am

        Batting 3rd: (1285 AB) .311/.398/.511 (.909 OPS) 54 Home Runs & 90 Doubles
        Batting 4th: (400 AB) .330/.409/.540 (.949 OPS) 17 Home Runs & 31 Doubles
        Batting 5th: (1041 AB) .304/.382/.514 (896 OPS) 46 Home Runs & 65 Doubles

        I see he’s really a black hole hitting 3rd. 400 At Bats is too small a sample size to make a judgment on a player.

        Jason Bay Batting 3rd: (1053 AB) .272/.363/.499 (.861 OPS) 52 HRs & 69 2Bs
        Jason Bay Batting 4th: (1193 AB) .279/.379/.517 (.896 OPS) 70 HRs & 62 2Bs

        Are these factual enough for you? I don’t really expect you to reply because you don’t want your opinion to be swayed by facts, but if you do reply, I’m sure it will be some nonsense how David doesn’t hit in big games or isn’t clutch, and then I’ll disprove you again and then, should you answer, you’ll go on about you’ve seen him fail in big spots and stats aren’t everything and blah blah blah blah blah.
  • Shamik December 14, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    I don’t think its very likely that we’re going to get both Sheets and Marquis, all we’ll be getting anyway is about 10-12 wins from Marquis and maybe 7 or so after Sheets goes down for the season due to mismanagement by the Mets. Our lineup from top to bottom is completely suspect and its highly unlikely that Reyes and Beltran are will be up to speed until midseason if at all next year. This team is a 3rd place team at best next year and frankly I dont think we’re even going to be in any position to snag anyone special in 2010 offseason either. Its just more misery that I can see. We may luck into a playoff spot sometime in the next decade, but thats about it. I’m just ready to see a whole lot of red uniforms representing the NL in the world series for the next few years.
• Tomterif December 14, 2009 at 5:45 pm

  Had the Phillies ended up with Halladay after trading for Lee, I would have gone ballistic, but frankly I don’t see how this is a big advantage for them. At this point, I feel Halladay is a bit better than Lee but what is going to be the difference in the win column–two to four games at best? And with Cole Hamels still a question mark after last season, this move is practically a wash and cost the Phillies some good prospects.
• Daniel December 14, 2009 at 5:52 pm

  I’m a die hard Mets fan and always will be but now that Halladay is headed to Philly and Lackey to Boston. What does that mean for us Mets ? Omar has sat back all winter and watched this happen and did nothing. Now what do we do. My father a die hard Mets fan has already said he’s going to cheer for Philly next year because Omar has done nothing and other teams have done something to improve there team and we have been left in the dust.
  • Keith December 14, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    all i can say is if we go into 2010 with the exact same squad as last yr i agree he has failed us, but like i sed in my post earlier with bay and molina it helps a lot molina a good defensive catcher and can hit a bomb or 2, bay is an upgrade offesively and defensively imo he cant be worse then anyone we had out there last yr lol, now we resign delgado (only if healthy and capable of playing)now we turn 2 pitching i feel that yea we didnt get that solid number 2 YET (a trade can be had at any moment, while unlikely still possible) we can still sign guys like sheets when healthy is a beast an can be a solid number 2 and marquis whos a new yorker and has been dying 2 play for the mets so i feel he’d perform well here.
    • theonlymaskman December 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm

      You’re counting your chickens before they hatch. Bay will go elsewhere (Angels or Yanks) unless Mets improve the offer. Molina is insisting on a 3 yr contract and should not receive it.
• TommyJ December 14, 2009 at 6:05 pm

  Omar and the Wilpons haven’t done nothing, the signed in bunch of old catchers, Cora who has hurt his back AFTER signing with the Mets,and the one and only Kelvim Escobar. And don’t forget we still have our ace in the hole Ollie Perez! Playoff tickets anyone?????
  • theonlymaskman December 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    They have a minor league offer out to Escobar and he has not yet accpted. So they have done less than you say. We have Cora, Coste, and Blanco. The Yanks have Granderson and Pettitte. The Phils have Halladay. The BoSox have Lackey. The Mariners have Lee. The Jays are getting a boatload of prospects. Omar has been sleeping on the job. His bosses don’t know which end is up.
    • Chicho December 14, 2009 at 6:55 pm

      Is halladay that much better than Lee?
      • Bob L December 14, 2009 at 7:34 pm

        he’s better than Lee…maybe 20% better….his over past 6 years he’s got 12 more wins than Lee. Last year Doc won 17; Lee 14; over past 2 years, Halladay has won 1 more game than Lee. It’s like trading a 1a for an #1. i am more bummed by not going after Lackey–the only #2 on the market.
        • Chicho December 14, 2009 at 8:20 pm

          Halladay can’t do much better than Lee in the postseason 1.56 ERA. Halladay hasn’t been much better than lee in the past 2 years. Halladay 08 2.79 09 2.78 ERA Lee 08 2.54 09 3.22 ERA Plus Lee is younger. I really don’t get the point of of upgrading a already strong postion with a slightly better player.

          I think they have been better off signing Lackey and keeping Lee. Lee,Lackey,Hamles and Happ. I think is better than Halladay,Hamels and Blanton. Signing lackey also wouldn’t cost any prospects.

          In the end I think it is a bad trade if they gave up Lee and Happ. I just saw that Happ could be part of the deal

          Did the Mariners trade Morrow to the blue jays?
• Greg From Brooklyn December 14, 2009 at 7:19 pm

  Bottom line is the Mets are getting outclassed by the Phillies….on and off of the field.

  This just shows how inept Omar Miniya really is. Maybe he woeks better on teams that have a shoe-string budget because he hasn’t done sh!t that impresses me for the Mets. NOTHING!
• Doug Branch December 14, 2009 at 7:30 pm

  Mask: We have been in agreement on Omar for awhile now-he’s incompetent, and any Mets fans who doesn’t admit this is delusional. The names he has signed tell the entire story: Coste, Blanco, and Cora! Low end and low priority.

  I’ve been saying along he needed to make a splash and put the Mets back on the baseball map. Instead, he’s MIA. Twiddling his thumbs while his division rivals just bagged the game’s best pitcher. Ouch.

  The Phillies flipped a free-agent pitcher for the best free agent pitcher who will be torturing Metville for years to come. Meanwhile, Omar continues to stockpile junk. We could land Bay and the Phillies will flick him off their lapels like an annoying speck of lint.

  Let’s be real, the Mets should not be mentioned in the same breath as the PHillies, and possibly Atlanta, or maybe even Florida at this rate.

  I never advocate someone losing his job, but Minaya may be the exception.
  • theonlymaskman December 15, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Omar is beyond bad. He said today: “We have a plan. I think it’s a good plan. If we get our guys, I think we’ll have a good team.” That is pretty much an admission that we do not have a good team. Apparently the guys he is trying to get are Bay and Molina, both of whom are holding him up for ransom. Aside from the fact that his plan apparently does not address pitching, what is he going to do about paying the ransom? The reality is that his plan is a joke.
    • Omar Minaya December 16, 2009 at 1:26 pm

      It feeels good to have a plan….
      • Omar Minaya December 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm

        I weel sign all the backup catcher in NL, yes?
• Anthony December 14, 2009 at 7:30 pm

  After everything I saw go down today with Lackey going to the Red Sox and Halladay going to the Phillies, as a season plan holder, this was what I decided to write back to the Mets ticketing service:

  I have been buying season packs from the days of the 6-pack, to the 7-pack, and now last year I had to buy the 15 game pack to even have a chance to go to a game. Now I get an invoice that tells me I have to pay the Mets by a week before Christmas after a 90+ loss season? Are you serious? And today I see the Red Sox sign Lackey and the Phillies get Halladay. What have the Mets actually done to prove they care about winning? This has got to be the dumbest organization when it comes to business sense and pleasing their fan base that I have ever seen in my life. I know many people who hold plans like I do that are just as upset as I am about all of this and I know that through word of mouth ticket sales will be going down next year. Tell Fred, Jeff, and Omar to go screw themselves and contact me when we have a real team.

  -Ex-Season Plan Holder
  • Russell Zanca December 14, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Anthony, I like it!
• Pete December 14, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  HOLY COW.Details are coming out of ESPN about the deal.Not only us the extention only 3 years, but the the Phils get 2 prospects and only give up 1. WHAT THE HELL IS OMAR DOING?????

  Phils get: halliday and 2 prospects
  Phils lose: Lee and 1 prospect

  Ummmmm couldnt we pull this?? I know Doc gave them a discount but in terms of prospects…We couldnt pull a deal with Mejia or someone else??
  • Chicho December 14, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    I think I just saw that they could have traded Happ.
    • Pete December 14, 2009 at 8:24 pm

      Ok. But they are getting 2 back.So What did the phils really give up?
• Chicho December 14, 2009 at 8:32 pm

  What did they really get? Halladay isn’t much better than Lee and if they had to give up Happ. I think it would hurt them more than it would help them.
• duckbunny December 14, 2009 at 10:49 pm

  Just a few thoughts on the above posts. Lots of good points made, but:
  1) Yes, Minaya is incompetant in his neglect of the farm system, but he isn’t signing the players we need because HIS BOSSES, THE COUPONS, WON’T LET HIM. They lost their asses to Madoff and lied through their teeth to the fans. They haven’t the money to buy what they need, and have no prospects with which to trade. perhaps he is to blame for the latter, but not the former. He’s signing has-beens and never- weres because that’s all the ownership will LET him sign. Hoping to catch “lightning in a bottle” with a reborn low cost “star” rings of the gambler who, having lost his shirt, starts betting on long shots and “sucker bets” to get back on his feet. Ususally, he just busts faster than before.

  2) Third place? Dream on! I honestly don’t see them outplaying the Marlins next year. They are hungry; the Mets are happy to dog it, and collect their paychecks How many times over the last three years have you said to yourself “Geez, these guys sure look like they’re just going through the motions?” This is not a team with heart.

  3) The team we have was built to win in 1996. The Molina HR completely destroyed the heart of this team. Hell, they don’t even *look* like a team! When was the last time you saw FIRE in their bellies? Answer: 1996

  4) How long do you think it will be before our “good-signs” start amking noise? Do YOU think Santana doesn’t regret taking the money that the Yankees, Red Sox offered him? (Hint: what did those two teams do in the last three years?)
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