Comments on: (Not So) Hot Stove Baseball

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:20:32 +0000

tommy, i truly empathize with your feelings. the wilpons are certainly not doing us any favors; but like u, i once called for attempts to force them out; until i realized a new owner wouldn’t be one we fans preferred like perhaps a rich “winning is what matters type”; but the other major league owners would be choosing the wilpon replacement by vitue of approval needed from ownership committee. that sucks & i certainly can’t see them allowing a mark cuban type loose in ny to add another freespender to the list of nyy,bosox,laa,lad,tex; no more like a clone of pittsburgh/cincy owners selling off wright,reyes,santana,k-rod as soon as present contracts expire that which we’ve suffered 5 yrs building can likely be disassembled lighning fast.
tommy, the inmates are in charge!

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:10:06 +0000

jerry, #1 firtstbase defense will be fine w/delgado, he’s never been a mex,olerud,mattingly def wiz there; but i’m sutre he;ll maintain adequacy, what we need most out of the posiytion is poer production on a par with howarde,pujols & delgado’s the only available that can be expected to come close to it. 10-20 hr just doesn’t cut it & likely lowest firstbase power production in our div. let’s see, murph was a mid third rounder who couldn’t play defense at any position and you’re concerned over delgado’s ‘d’? personally i’d ink delgado with an insurance milb deal for jacobs if ike definitly isn’t ready. if we’re not significantly improving pitching we must focus on offensive maximization. tha’s delgado/jacobs not murphy/? for firstbase. think about it. from last openning day we’d be adding a full season of francoeur, molina,bay a full season delgado we all better hope & pray molina really can milk much more potential to actual out of pelfrey,maine,perez or this will be a very long season. w/c or bust! jeff’s taken the reins. we’re going for sudden power lineup in a designed pitcher’s park cause jeffy loves the longball. lmao! rediculous. jeff, like boras, lies!

By: Jerry

Jerry — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:44:04 +0000

You again have valid points. They clammer for Delgato to be back but will his defense be good, and will he hit like 2008. Give Murphy a chance I agree with you earlier comments on him and think that will a good line up he will produce even Hitting lefties and righties with 20 or more HRs.Its the pitching that we need to address for without good pitching (and Santana only every 5 days) we wll not be in the mix in the division.

By: TommyJ

TommyJ — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:11:00 +0000

Sorry but I don’t think this team will ever be good with the current ownership. The Yankees, Phillies, Red Soxs all seem to have figured it out. Hell even the Minnesota Twins somehow manage to give their fanbase a competative, entertaining product year in and year out. Meanwhile I get the feelimg the management of this team is always fumbling around in the dark.
I LOVE baseball. Its the only sport I look foward to watching. My team is The Mets. I hate that this team has become the laughing stock of baseball.
Note to Wilpons: Stop screwing around with my team. If you have no plan to fix it SELL IT to someone who does.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:39:51 +0000

shamik, that’s exactly what i’d expect from a selfish player more concerned with his own stats then team victories. say he walks, next guy does what? k or dp? how long before your crucifying him for lack of aggression or not contributing? it was a singularly lousy, unfortunate one in a milion season we should close the book on re. all participants esp wright & k-rod.first for lack of opportunity, second for lack of reg work. 2 guys who were collateral damage from the nuclear holocaust that was the mets’ 2009 campaign.

By: Shamik

Shamik — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:54:53 +0000

Exactly my point, if pitchers truly wanted no part of Wright, all he had to do was keep the bat on his shoulder and take a base. Instead he was flailing around and ending innings by tossing away his helmet and bat with that same infuriating expression on his face.

By: danny krieger

danny krieger — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:50:18 +0000

Met62

Explain this to me. If Wright was being pitched around all season, why did he strike out a career high 140 times – 22 to 27 more than previous 4 seasons.

And why were his walks down 22 for each of last two years.

By: Shamik

Shamik — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:43:12 +0000

Thats exactly how the Yankees won – they have cheaper options like Melky and Cano, and some pitchers to complement all the big guns. The mets could easily do the same, however there is no vision or long-term planning in the FO whatsoever.

By: Shamik

Shamik — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:41:24 +0000

Its been my experience, that when you win, the media and everyone will be just fine. What have the Mets done to deserve any praise? Three straight years of crushing collapses followed by an abortion of a baseball season. They can’t get their own new stadium right. Hell, they couldn’t even properly fire a lunatic that takes off his shirt and threatens minor leaguers! No, this team deserves every last bit of bad press, they have let fans down repeatedly throughout the years. If only we could get an owner like the Maras or Cuban, someone who doesnt refer to their team as a freaking “product on the field!”

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:28:13 +0000

shamik, your feelings are understandable and unfortunate. i believe one of wright’s issues w/risp deals with protection or lack thereof. no pitcher in their right mind, facing the tedious lineup jerry had available would allow wright to beat him giving david absolutly nothing good. why would they? moast games, he was THE offense available. by only getting pitcher’s pitches, wright struggled, i truly hope this gets turned back once a full lineup is back on the field.

while some schmucks who preder to be densly negative will recite “injuries are part of the game” so are storms part of life, katrina wasn’t your ordinaryu storm & the byn were hit by a katrina of injuries so devatating even bobby cox claims he’s never seen such a thing in all his yrs of mnging!
shamik don’t let the bastards get u down if u must hear positives re. our team listen to opponent’s broadcasts instead of our negative ones. hell, even sny is all neg mets all the time, i live in nc now & have residede thoughout our contry for years, 1976 i moved to nj from bklyn, staYING WITHIN METRO AREA; BUT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY MOVED ME FARTHER STILL OUTSIDE PHILLY, FROM THERE TO GA THEN BACK TO METRO NY FOR 2 YRS BEFORE OUT WEST TO LA. NOW I’M IN NC, ATL TERRITORY ALSO CLAINMED BY CINCY & NATS SO I HAVE TO GET OPPONENT FEEDS WHEN PLAYING ANY OF THOSE 3. although their announcers are sickening ‘homers’, they still recount more positives re. our team than i ever get from nym renditions. i’m starting to believe the powers that be believe we fans are a bunch of masochists they need to abuse regularly. how else do you explain beningo, shein,carlin,tierney,etc. unless jeffy’s tryuing to oust papa by disgusting him.

By: danny krieger

danny krieger — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:00:46 +0000

Mets62Fan is right on the money on this one. As he says it -

We have to decide “if prospect depth is important or not, by trading off everyone that matures u are condemning our team to never,ever having the youth pipeline ready when we need it. here’s a realism, most non-first rounders need yrs to develop into a useful part. as we keep foregoing out first round picks, not this yr; but prior & hopfully subsequent years, the total lack of prospects is going to kill us as there won’t be any minimum salaried players on the roster to buffer all those beltrans,bays,santanas you always want.”

Youth has to be part of the plan!

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:50:24 +0000

bob, at some point u need to decide if prospect depth is important or not, by trading off everyone that matures u are condemning our team to never,ever having the youth pipeline ready when we need it. here’s a realism, most non-first rounders need yrs to develop into a useful part. as we keep foregoing out first round picks, not this yr; but prior & hopfully subsequent years, the total lack of prospects is going to kill us as there won’t be any minimum salaried players on the roster to buffer all those beltrans,bays,santanas you always want. remember the luxury line moves like a glacier, not a roadrunner like actual payroll under your avaricness. repeat after me, the mets will never pay luxury taxes under wilpon ownership & the wilpons are as aggressive an ownership group as mlb ownersghip committee will allow. there is no deep pockewted white knight riding to our rescue with billions to spread cheer over countless freeagents creating a dynasty to rival nyy for dominance. our competitors control our destiny re. ownership change. do u believe they’d allow a mark cuban type to control another powerful high spending force in the largest baseball audience in the universe?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:35:15 +0000

BOB, did i miss something, i don’t remember omar involved in guerro back issue, phillips was gm ‘back’ then, or is every poor frontoffice decision ever made reverting to omar? go all the way back to seaver & ryan?
sarcasm aside, i disagree with the assumption that the price for those acwuisitions would be the same for us as the relinquising team would know how desperate our need was & could hold fast demanding more. i would, wouldn’t u?
example: if u are selling a used car & u have 2 potential buyers, one looking at it as a spare car for weekends & the other u know is desperately in need to replace his junker that broke down & can’t get him to work. which one are u more inclined to negotiate with to make that sale? the one who can easily walk away or the one who must have your car? this is called supply & demand. prices are higher when demand is greater. adding a lee or a martinez would have been nice; however not if it cost us a shot at halladay, omar only had 13m bet current payroll & luxury cap, just enough to p/u halladay’s prorated ’09 salary if it came to that. did it happen? no; but it could have. by picking up any intermediate addition reducing buffer below an amount sufficient to p/u prorated contract it would’ve gone into impossible category. perhaps omar was too optimistic; but it’s possible wilpons wouldn’t spend more to place fourth would u? i again wouldn’t have. they’d unlikely have agreed to halladay; but if it put nym over luxury line; the answer was a definite, resounding “no way!” omar woyuldn’t be able to argue for better team in following yrs at all. with all the injuries, it is rediculous to think 1 or 2 acquisitions would’ve altered the result, not even if there names were halladay & pujols. to think otherwise is slamming your head into a solid wall of brick disappointment. bob, you’re thinking like a yankee fan, not a realistic met fan. the wilpons are rich, not filthy rich. their core business, real estate , had a worse yr than the mets in ’09. we should be thankful they aren’t selling off like pirates,cincy,fl.

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:18:40 +0000

Yes!

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:18:21 +0000

Bob L, I agree with what you are saying. Too many opportunities have been allowed to pass us by while we had a boatload of holes to fill. If we had made just 1 or 2 smart moves during the ’09 season, there would be a lot less work to do now. That is my pet peeve with Omar. Sitting on his hands all through the season with a ton of excuses about injuries and false stories of returning players was inexcusable to me. I am unhappy he is around to mess up another season for us. The work to start fixing is still waiting. It is now a 3 yr deal to get fixed and that’s if we make some progress this year. If nothing of substance happens and the Phils walk away with Halladay, we’re looking at 5 or more years to regain competitiveness. We are in a critical area right now and if there is no action, we are in deep trouble for the foreseeable future. We cannot let the inaction regarding Lee be compounded with more inaction or we fall further and further behind while we hear about Omar in his own sweet time.

By: nosh

nosh — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:26:45 +0000

I think we should trade the Wilpons.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:32:51 +0000

i had Tejada 2x…nice trick! i meant Thole, Parnell, Mejia for Martinez. We have to give to get. Nothing’s free.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:53:48 +0000

Right, i slipped! Thanks. Meant Millwood. My point is the Orioles got him for ‘not much’. And, if we had some of these guys now, F/A’s would be flocking to us and not avoiding us; the Mets ‘brand’ is at a low level right now…not that attractive to the players. And that’s a shame.

By: Danny Krieger

Danny Krieger — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:44:58 +0000

Bob L – You mean Millwood, not Hudson.

Millwood will make $12M next year. Maybe the Mets are saving their money for Lackey??

You have to wait until hot stove is over before you judge.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:41:42 +0000

But Danny, we’d be in a far better position right now, IF we had both or even one of those guys.