Comments on: Molina Tells Mets He Wants 3 Years Or Bust

By: Nick O.

Nick O. — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:58:44 +0000

Hopefully the reason the mets want only a one year deal is so they can try to steal Joe Mauer away from the Twins next year. Yes Molina’s asking price seems high, but i doubt Minaya would not try pumping up the the years of the contract with a less offering price to try to lure him in if they weren’t trying to consider Mauer for next year at all. It seems a little farfetched with the payroll the mets are on now, but I wouldn’t completely rule it out.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:24:54 +0000

ACE, I DON’T THINK IT’S THAT SIMPLE. IT LIKELY COMES DOWN TO OPTIONS. I DON’T EVER SEE CAMMY RETURNING TO NY AFTER HE FELT SO SLIGHTED ON HIS RETURN ALONGSIDE PIAZZA W/SD. HIS COMMENTS OF GHURT FOR BEUING VIRTUALY IGNORED BY FANS IN LIGHT OF THE THUNDEROUS OVATIONS GIVEN TO MIKE. ALSO CONSIDER THIS, CAMMY SWORE HE;D NEVER PLAY LF FOR NYM ALSO I DOUBT HE’S EVER BE CONVINCED TO PLAY ALONGSIDE BELTRAN AGAIN. OUCH!

SORRY, I DIDN’T REALIZE CAPSLOCK ENGAGED ACCIDENTLY, NO I’M NOT SLIPPING BACK!
BOSTON LUIKELY TO GET EQUAL CONTRIBUTION FROM CAMMY IN FENWAY. HE’D STRUGGLE REACHING SEATS IN CITI.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:50:44 +0000

J, let me first apologize, if your lat statement was that u interpret anything i’ve ever written as a ‘personal’ attack; by no means has that ever been my intent. i particularly strive to only attack ideas & perceptions rather than posters. i’d also like to point out that “big ticket” solutions are the nyy methodology & it’s course has ultimatly led to many of our difficulties, in my opinion. the names you posted molina, etc. to me are exactly the type of solutions i believe we’ve needed. j, if u look at the phillies as many do, as the grittier, clutcher team i’d point to werth,victorino,ruiz & feliz as their bigger difference makers rather than rollins,utley,howard. i believe their mvp these past 3 seasons has been either of those “also played” guys rather than those ‘starring’ ones getting all the ink. i love the francoeur addition for exactly that reason. go back to our “best team ever” the 86ers. look at that game 6 rally outside of carter’s contribution, the culprits were all “cast” members NOT STARS. though knight ended up MVP, his isn’t the name on the tip of anyone’s tongue while reminiscing. i strongly believe bay, molina & marquis are exctly what this team needs, lackey would’ve been a safe addition; but comparativly i like marquis’ consistancy & lack of limelight as much. having a #1A pitcher is overrated rather than a solid #2 consistantly appearing in 30+G with double digit victories you can set your clock by. too often we judge our needed solutions by what nyy would do. nyy have to overget due to bosox. we don’t have a bosox in our division. both phl & atl prefer cost-effective competitivness over “go for the kill” at all costs approach. just look at philly, they could’ve acquired halladay last july; but refused to surrender draybeck(their future) and went for lee instead, then they could’ve attempted getting halladay while keeping lee for the “kill shot”. we don’t need bigger bricks; but stronger mortar. francoeur this week spelled it out as in his opinion “they need more than 1 guy & instead of committing 160m to one guy spread it out amongst a few guys to add.” how often has our off-season additions overshadowed both phl & atl, yet we’ve come up short. i don’t buy this leadership copout nor any sort of “heartless” claim, perhaps we’re too one dimensional prefering the bigger pickups over the multi lesser ones.(in a tugowar more guys typically beat fewer stronger ones) atl & phl have made a science out of bullpen building out of dumpster diving. phl have lost eyre,park & myers yet haven’t replaced any substatially & our fans are panicing in the streets. while comparing accomplishments w/i the div we certainly have come up short, i believe for reasons mostly attributable to decisions & incompetancies dating before omar’s hiring. see jeff,fred,phillips,duquette for accountability. this response is so much longer than i’d intended; but i’d be happy to share those views any other time u may want. keep the faith; but comparing forests phl looks denser; but go tree by tree & it’s closer than u might think assuming those no-names are secured by omar.

By: Ace

Ace — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:47:46 +0000

I agree with you that keeping management in place this year was a big mistake, and I have said so many times on these boards. Expecting a different result on the field with the same top tier management on board makes no sense to me. Harpooning you or anyone for that matter for having a different opinion or view of this organization is equally as wrong. Now, Mets fans are desperate for a big FA signing, so everyone is crying out to do whatever they need to do to get Bay. I would agree with most that Bay can make a big impact on our team. On the other hand, I think most would agree that Theo is one of the most respected GM’s in baseball; so, does anyone wonder why Theo is willing to let Bay go? Must be a reason he doesn’t want to go all out to keep Bay like St. Louis has done for Holliday.

By: jdon

jdon — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:47:07 +0000

I have not always been pessimistic. I must admit that the Wilpons have a lot to do with it. I do not like the way they run things. I liked the way Frank Cashen ran things. But when you look at this team and some of the people they have had runnning it, you have to wonder. I will root for them to win every game they play. I cannot say in all honesty that I think they are going anywhere. Is it so hard to comprehend that? If I were making a plan, aas I have said several times on this board, I would not now invest in guys I do not think will have great impact, like Bay and Marquis and Molina. To me the smart thing to do is to save those funds, since Lackey and Halladay are gone, and use them for a real impact player next year, or at the trade deadline. But because they kkept Omar for another year, they are going to let him tie up funds that the next GM, the one who can have a positive effect, will not have available to him. So I have a plan and I do not think this year is feasible. Don’t worry about what kind of fan I am. Just be the fan you are. I don’t sit on these boards laughing at people that I think are being led by the nose by an incompetent organization and its laughable attempts at public relations? If they are happy being that way fine. Don’t ecpect everyone to be the same. It is no fun when they are. It is also no fun having to answer personal attacks.

By: sarge

sarge — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:04:06 +0000

I guess being a fan does give u some liberties but to write off a whole season before it has started is really confusing. Just because u have been a fan since the inception of this team does not mean that you have to pessimistic, maybe question some moves, but this is not 1962-1966 when Mets were laughing stock of baseball. Bad moves by mgmt the past 10 years have hurt the Mets but this is our team. Remember that Mets came cause Dodgers and Giants left cause of money or fans but in spite of bad past few seasons these are our Mets and I do not wish them a bad season in spite of my dislike for GM or Mgr cause you have to let the season play out and not judge a future season based on moves or lack thereof cause if so then Yanks and Sox would win every year. Please!

By: jdon

jdon — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:08:46 +0000

do not lecture me about whether I am a fan or not. i have watched these guys since 1962. I am not going to say they will be good when I believe otherwise. I have predicted the failure of this team for the past three years. I also thought they were going to the Series in 2006. It is called being honest. They have to strip themselves down and do it again. Not rebuild. Just get the garbage out. And the biggest loads of garbage are the GM and the manager. If you want to wave pom poms be my guest. Disagree if you want, but do not tell me I am not a fan. I don’t tell you that I think unrealistically optimistic fans are fools, do I?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:03:18 +0000

jdon, ur no mets’ fan. no ny met fan writes a season off in december.
be careful what u wish for(move) we already lost 2 teams due to that type of attitude.
are the mets a big mkt team? yes, are the owners super-rich? absolutely not! consider this….almost the entire wilpon family, fred,jeff, uncle sol are tied to this baseball franchise for significant livlihood especially considering their base, ‘core’ source of income is real estate development. have you looked into the ecconomic state of realestate latey(incl japan)? jdon, your problem is u live across from the rediculous spending nyy. hell, atlanta(entire south) is a big mkt as is philly & boston. what are we told is necessary to be ‘rich’ in baseball? a ‘new’ stadium+ a broadcast network atlanta had both before us & their stadium was built as part of olympics. they are the only professional mlb team from virginia to georgia & have the broadcast rights to prove it. none of those teams are spending like we do or u suggest. philly got haladay; but had to deal lee to afford him, check their record it states clearly they aren’t prepared to exceed 140m, btw atlanta has consistantly dropped amongst the ranks of the total payroll & boston has stopped exceeding luxury taX line as unprofitable. relax u wanted santana, they got him, u wanted k-rod, ditto, same with wagner,beltran, pedro. no one can outbid nyy for someone they want esp. not boston or nym. that’s not a knock on boston or nym; but a simple fact. the yanks ownership is more widely diversified from an income position; a look at the nym org chart re. ownership compared to that of sterling int’l is a mirror image. I believe we can still give phillies a run for the finish line by ading bay,molina,marquis. everyone likes to point to the collapses as abject failures;but certainly all seem to forget the one ingredient needed for a collapse….a late season lead.(being #1, late)

By: jdon

jdon — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:30:08 +0000

My point is that we have no shot this year— or any year omar runs things. He is a factotum. And I am glad that you mention the yankees. For, while they have the most money, and Mauer probably will re-sign in minny, if he does come free I think the mets should go toe to toe with the yankees for this guy. Of course they cannot have a team payroll like the yanks, but they are a big market team and they should go toe to toe with other large market teams once in a while on individual players. If they constantly write themselves out of any competition then they are sunk. They are mice. If they don’t want to bid then they should just admit they are second rate and move to dayton or nome.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:20:23 +0000

jdon, you’d be 100% correct if the met’s were free to spend as freely as nyy; but it seems we’re not as most teams aren’t. see philly blinking at opportunity to become dominant with lee following ‘doc’. alas, not to be since they refuse to exceed 140m. mauer most likely never sees the mkt; but meantime we need a #1 cathcer who gives us the best shot this yr. since molina has established himself as a hardnosed,stubborn sob(much like grote) his track record at coaxing the best out of youthful talented pitchers may be worth more to us than a slamdunk upgrade @ #2sp. imagine if he could actually get the best out of our 3 amigos, err make that enigmas (pelfrey,perez,maine). wouldn’t that be worth it? i’m certainly not advocatuing giving in nor would i slam the door like last time, i’d ignore him totally until jan. 31, then if he’s still available i may deem to retn his agent’s call changing that supposed 2y/12m to 2y/11m indicating a short shelf life until 2y/10m preceeds a final 1y 6m take it or leave it position! i’d move onto securing marquis after bay as i wouldn’t scoff at his consistant 15w ability @ #2 being a good matchup vs hamels after halladay & santana duel to the death.lol from there i’d certainly trust perez vs blanton, pelf vs. happ & maine vs moyer IF molina was milking best out of those back 3.

By: tommyJ

tommyJ — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:33:37 +0000

Unless Joe Mauer completely collapses this year, mark my words Joe Mauer will be the catcher for the Yankees.

By: jdon

jdon — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:10:52 +0000

So the mets have no designs of any kind on Joe Mauer next year. They hve already written themselves off. They give up easy, don’t they? I would want to e sure that I put in abid for the second best player in the game. Screw Fatass Molina–he played games with us last time and we blew him off. I recommend the same this time.

By: sarge

sarge — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:22:27 +0000

Hey nut, I have been a fan of Jets since Joe Willie so please give me a break dude. And if I decide to wear huggies what is that to you? Mets like Jets have broken my heart over the years but I don’t approach a season expecting the worse, I expect the best then adjust cause every season is different so stop the whinning dude.
As stated before rotation and a couple of injuries hurt in 07, BP collapse in 08 was the problem and this year injuries was a problem.
You have to have a perfect scenario for a team to win plus luck.
Phillies have only lost Myers the last 2 years and none of their core unlike Mets this year.
Mets not beating Washington and Marlins in 07 and 08 hurt us but at least the season was great until the end but we didn’t give up or have injuries predicted “BEFORE” the season starts as you like to say. So if that is your prediction then don’t watch and prove yourself wrong.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:07:07 +0000

greg, stifle the prejudice crap! it’s boring & beneath u!

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:06:24 +0000

Col, u left out molina’s apparent track record for getting the most out of young pitchers like caine & lincicum, while i’m not in favor of succombing to him, exactly what huge offensive upside does he bring over those we’ve already cornered in coste & blanco. it isn’t like his name is piazza or even hundley. i’d call his bluff, lose his agent’s phone number, ignore his future calls & focus on bay+ if he’s still unsigned by anyone come jan 31, perhaps i answer his agent’s latest call.see if he’d like those 2y @ maybe 10 instead of 12m if someone else gets him, so be it. it’s blanco #1, coste #2 & santos #3 in wings. signing a barajas is ludicrous & letting molina’s stubbornness hurt us. i like that he’s thickheaded much as grote was & perhaps that’s why he’d be best at finally getting the most out of our enigmas named pelfrey,perez & maine. it won’t be the first time he’s tried this crap. remember his rejecting 3y/18m forcing us to get paulie? this time, i let him stew longer; but don’t let him hold anything up like bay or whomever else omar’s seeing in our future.

By: TommyJ

TommyJ — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:45:58 +0000

How about adding this. Santana (and his agent) march into Miniya’s office and demand to be traded.

By: jetsnut

jetsnut — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:21:01 +0000

Hey Sarge,
Time to wake up and get a clue!
Try to be a realistic Mets fan and take your huggies off
This team has been a disaster for three years with the worst collapse in baseball history. You sound like a 12 year old….You are probobly one of those fans trading Castillo and Pagan expecting to get Adrian Gonzalez
BTW jets made playoffs in 2006 which was the last time the Mets made it.
go back to watching womens basketball. you obviously are not a Jets fan

The Jets and Mets are a lot alike….Devastaing losses resulting in teams that should make the playoffs but don’t making fans angry and wondering what type of leadership they have and why they don’t have gamers to pull them throuugh

By: D.C.

D.C. — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:48:57 +0000

Three years is asking too much. I don’t think the Mets will bite for three years. They will stand for two and not much further for Molina.

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:47:58 +0000

Andy, Is there anything we should be comfortable about with this team?

By: andy

andy — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:26:43 +0000

oh and use santos to maybe get a decent reliever, which we need. dont forget we dont have much of a pen and im not comfortable with parnell in the 8th inning