Comments on: Mets Ink Kelvim Escobar To One Year Deal

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By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:16:47 +0000

Alex, don’t rewrite history. Would you have made an intitial offer of 4y/60m to a 36 yr old non-ace sp? Unlikely; if Omar had u would’ve demanded his firing for ineptness. For that same sp would you propose countering with an offer in excess of 4/60? I certainly doubt it, I’ve read your postings & you aren’t insane. Now that we’ve established signing “Lowe was out of the question u r faced with a choice; Perez(who u just witnessed improving due to reinventing mechanics under new pc), Wolf(who no one seems to want longterm), Garland(a 30 yr old sp coming off a sub.500 season) Sheets( an oft-injured sp with a blown elbow). Alex, try to remember as few don’t, Perez was Omar’s 2nd choice with Lowe occupying the first choice position. a 3/36 offer to Lowe, a 36 yr old non ace, was a fair offer to anyone not represented by Scott Boras. Boras manipulated circumstaneces to beat us, fair & square. hats off to Boras.
Remember, we’re still with a huge hole in the rotation. Perez is an enigma, if he’d not discarded the Warthen changes & had not been injured in the WBC(all occurances totally unpredictable) u can’t fairly criticize a decision based upon 20/20 vision of an unperceivable circumstance. To be fair you can’t judge by “if you knew then what you know now…” rather the only fair question is, “if you knew now, only what u knew then…” based on that I’d still defend the Perez signing as a valid “gamble”, one not more risky than Garland, Wolf or Sheets. They were all gambles. Sheets being the riskiest of them all. BTW also rarely pointed out, Perez is the youngest of those gambles & as such is most likely to improve significantly. All I suggest everyone do is hope & pray Perez has a Castilloesque second yr of his contract.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many cite Perez as such a horrific signing when contextually it’s one of Omar’s oft cited signature “good deals” that proves to be so much more devastatinf(signing Pedro). Can anyone argue the historical significance a Healthy Pedro could have meant to ’06 through ’08? Pedro’s contract was a bigger gamble & much more harmful than Perez’. Alex hindsight id generally more valid if viewed honestly.

By: sarge

sarge — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:03:43 +0000

This signing for me would have been better than the Cora signing cause with Escobar, Parnell, Green, Feliciano, Ryota in the mix for setup then you know that at least there will be some good arms to pick from and someone there if the choice for setup fails. You never have enough pitching and at the amount Escobar signed for it is a risk worth taking instead of, in my opinion, Cora whose spot could have been filled by a cheaper player and save the money to stack up in pitching.
If Mets go the route that apparently the Wilpons have put Omar on then I would sign a couple of pitchers, Garland, Washburn, Piniero, etc to 1 year contracts so that you have plenty of depth there.
This year Redding hurt himself trying to get in shape too fast plus he did pitch good in Sep.
Mets don’t need to be looking to spend whatever was saved by money coming off the books. We are not the Yanks plus Omar knows that he might need that extra payroll to take on another bat or pitcher during or after Spring Training when players are cut.
There are other times of the year to make a big splash but some fans want to compete with Yanks, Phillies on a major signing despite the harm it might cause the budget down the road. I agree with you Joe that a minor league contract with an invite would have been better but I can’t complain about this singing cause you never have enough arms in the BP, as previous years have shown.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:52:35 +0000

jdon, have u just become a Mets’ fan? I agree with your statements re. NYY.
One question, Is the DIRECTION set by an employee or an owner? Do you not think John Schurholtz would have loved to keep Glavine from NY? Why didn’t he? The answer is the tail doesn’t wag the dog, the dog wags the tail. Ownership is THE DOG employees are the TAIL. This sentiment is true for every Business entity out there from the corner Grocery Store to IBM, the Pittsburgh Pirates to the New York Yankees and everything in between.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:49:09 +0000

Mets62:

Is also called when ur a lifetime .245 hitter u better have some intangibles n respect for the game, look, I get the whole “gritty” “leader” statement, but honestly, there was no need to rush n give him 2mill same as 2009, I’m sure is phone wasn’t ringing off the hook from other teams callin in for alex cora, let alone at that price, when other player get maybe half or less n play the same role. Plus, u said it urself, he had 2 thumbs surgery, more likely makin his 245 avg to drop. He’s a good version of castillo, more than 1 too much in this team. Deals to all the alex cora’s of the world r done late, not as early as our gm did, remember everytime he’s done this backsfire in his face (alou, el duque, castillo)

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:41:47 +0000

Alex, yor statement criticizing the 2M for Cora is unreplyable, this is my reply:

Everyone complains anbout a lack of grit on this team. a perceived “softness”. Alex Cora, seeing the decimation of injuries surrounding him. “Sucked it up” and played most of the yr with not one thumb injury; but two of them. How do u instill that as a ‘Way to be gritty’ if u ignore it for a measly 2M, a contract equal to ’09.

Anyone complaining about Cora’s deal has an awful lot to learn regarding Leadership & Reward. Next time a really important player gets injured & is asked if he’s healthy enough to play? why should he say yes if he’s just seen someone who sacrificed to the team be nickeled & dimed off the roster. Alex, it’s called “SHOWING APPRECIATION”, as well as “PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!”

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:45:20 +0000

Chicho, once more the comment I widhed to reply to is unreplyable, so Ill use this one, BTW: The Mets TRUE BUDGET has always remained the Luxury Line, they WILL NOT be allowed to ever cross under FRED’S OWNERSHIP/DECREE!. This was certainly true with Phillips as GM whereas Fred always set a Safety Net false budget well below the TAX incurrment line with strict instructions to not surpass it without his personal approval. Ftred trusted Omar as the sole GM he allowed the Trust to work without imposition of a Safety Net where Omar’s line was the Actual Line for tax incurment, NOW, with Jeffie in Charge we’re back to the Safety Net issue. Fred Knows his Second Son isn’t his brightest bulb of his fasmily Chandelier.

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:54:30 +0000

The big question for the Mets this year is are they going to get a #2 starter. They might be able to get away with signing someone like Bryd,Dye, or Vald in LF. but They won’t be able to get away with Pelfery as the #2. There now is no legit #2 availible in FA. There might be one availible in a trade. They should try to get Harang or Arroyo but they are more like #3 than a number#2.

The Mets can contend this year but first they need to fix the rotation.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:02:55 +0000

Exactly, I hope he learn from last year, he traded for putz when he knew was hurt and stop right there, arthur rhodes is good, but u said it he’s 100 y/o.. While biemel continue to shut down lefties. Plus, we need all the relievers we can carry coz maine, perez, pelfrey (not so much pelfrey) r all 5 inning pitchers.. That’s why we need a #2 badly..

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:43:46 +0000

You’re right we need another lefty in the bullpen. Remember that game when the Mets brought in takahsi to face Utley? Beimel is good but I would like to see them trade for A. rhodes along with Phillips and one of the Reds starters. I know Rhodes is 100 years old now but he is still very effective against left handed hitters.

Omar would be insane if he thinks Escobar will pitch the whole year. He will go on the DL at least once this year.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:45:52 +0000

See my first post in this article, I’m afraid they sign him thinking he’d be there all season.. Coz we wouldn’t wanna count on him to be healthy or a inexperience japanese import to be the bridge to k-rod. Biemel in our rotation would give us a deadly bullpen.

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:36:28 +0000

I agree the Mets have alot of holes. We filled one of our holes cheaply by signing Escobar. Escobar is cheaper than the other relief pitchers out there and is probally the best. We needed to address the bullpen Escobar helps us alot. He saves us money and maybe a game or two.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:36:40 +0000

It is if the holes r as big as we have em.. A power 1b or a power lf is gonna cost, a good #2 is gonna cost, another 2b is gonna cost, but as I said b4, lets hope omar is working on a trade or something, coz the market doesn’t look good 4 us

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:31:54 +0000

I wouldn’t call 30 million a tight budget.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:44:41 +0000

If they weren’t they’d sign holliday and lackey. But bay is said to be offer a backloaded contract and molina 6 mill per. They have about 30 mill to spend this offseason. And about 6 holes to fill.

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:16 +0000

I don’t believe the Mets are on a tight budget. If they were they wouldn’t be trying to sign Bay and Molina.

By: ALEX24

ALEX24 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:36:35 +0000

Yeah, but if we on tight budget why keep investing in injured players when that’s the last thing we need? Plus, handing out 2 mill for cora doesn’t help our situation either

By: Chicho

Chicho — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:32:49 +0000

I know he has been hurt. and he will most likely get hurt again. But if you have a chance to get a pitcher like Escobar for 1.25 million you have to jump on it.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:27:03 +0000

tommy, keep dreaming, who is it u believe the ownership committe would approve as buyers for nym? they stalled cuban to death. they won’t allow another freewheeling big market team into the fray just to jackup thier costs. parady is the Selg theme or hadn’t u noticed. There aren’t any simple solutions outside of fans realizing our best additions came under Omar & he should be reinstated before it’s too late.