Comments on: If I Hear Cameron’s Name One More Time, I Think I’ll Puke http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke Sat, 26 May 2012 01:41:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mathew Michocki http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-35662 Mathew Michocki Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:40:16 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-35662 Nice level of information here. There is so much data around about this subject that sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees but you have pitched this at just the right level so that the lay person can understand - thank you! Nice level of information here. There is so much data around about this subject that sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees but you have pitched this at just the right level so that the lay person can understand – thank you!

]]> By: Chris M http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34679 Chris M Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:16:45 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34679 But Bay's not exactly young and he's getting worse in the field (and will likely start declining with the bat soon). So if you're rebuilding, Jason Bay makes no sense at all. The best possible option is obviously Matt Holliday, who's younger and better than either Bay or Cameron. But Bay’s not exactly young and he’s getting worse in the field (and will likely start declining with the bat soon). So if you’re rebuilding, Jason Bay makes no sense at all. The best possible option is obviously Matt Holliday, who’s younger and better than either Bay or Cameron.

]]> By: aye http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34645 aye Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:28:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34645 Bay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cameron Bay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cameron

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34593 theonlymaskman Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:15:57 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34593 But do me have confidence in the current administration to do anything like that? We seem to be more at the mercy of what the other GM's do anything positive that our own mgmt is likely to do from its own initiatives. But do me have confidence in the current administration to do anything like that? We seem to be more at the mercy of what the other GM’s do anything positive that our own mgmt is likely to do from its own initiatives.

]]> By: Bob L http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34588 Bob L Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:08:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34588 Yes, puts us in front of a steamroller, no question, should the Phillies get Halladay. We can stay put and get steam-rolled, or we can become aggressive as hell and answer back with F/A signings and some key trades, giving the Phillies 'something' to brace for...like a fight. Yes, puts us in front of a steamroller, no question, should the Phillies get Halladay. We can stay put and get steam-rolled, or we can become aggressive as hell and answer back with F/A signings and some key trades, giving the Phillies ‘something’ to brace for…like a fight.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34563 theonlymaskman Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:22:00 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34563 The Phillies signing of Halladay will be a total disaster for us. It will be a long haul after that. We will be eating humble pie to not only the Yanks, but to the Phils as well for many years to come. The Phillies signing of Halladay will be a total disaster for us. It will be a long haul after that. We will be eating humble pie to not only the Yanks, but to the Phils as well for many years to come.

]]> By: jdon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34547 jdon Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:34:38 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34547 good athlete, but a really disappointing baseball player. if you need something good to happen offensively in a game, he always seems to disappoint. good athlete, but a really disappointing baseball player. if you need something good to happen offensively in a game, he always seems to disappoint.

]]> By: Bob L http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34540 Bob L Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:33:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34540 'Amen', Mask. 'Amen'. Now, the NYT is saying Mets are going after Bay or Lackey, NOT both. Since, we do not appear capable of 'alternative' tactics (like trading somebody 'real' for Tim Hudson, or going for Carl Crawford), and the Phillies 'lead' for Halladay, i say it's time to shred the freaking wallet and go pell mell for Bay, Lackey, AND others...OR bow low to the Phillies for the next 5 years. We have a choice but we need a plan. ‘Amen’, Mask. ‘Amen’. Now, the NYT is saying Mets are going after Bay or Lackey, NOT both. Since, we do not appear capable of ‘alternative’ tactics (like trading somebody ‘real’ for Tim Hudson, or going for Carl Crawford), and the Phillies ‘lead’ for Halladay, i say it’s time to shred the freaking wallet and go pell mell for Bay, Lackey, AND others…OR bow low to the Phillies for the next 5 years.
We have a choice but we need a plan.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34539 theonlymaskman Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:23:27 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34539 As far as Cameron goes, my feeling is been here done that. I don't want to see him again. We need better than Mike Cameron. Signing him would be nothing more than settling for mediocrity of which we had altogether too much last season. Closed case for me; I don't want to hear about him again. As far as Cameron goes, my feeling is been here done that. I don’t want to see him again. We need better than Mike Cameron. Signing him would be nothing more than settling for mediocrity of which we had altogether too much last season. Closed case for me; I don’t want to hear about him again.

]]> By: Bob L http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34536 Bob L Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34536 You mis-read my comment. i am clamoring FOR signing Bay NOT Cameron. You mis-read my comment. i am clamoring FOR signing Bay NOT Cameron.

]]> By: kevin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34523 kevin Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:39:36 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34523 Obviously you just want a competitive .500 team and care little for the post season in which Bay carried the Red Sox. You call 3 .240 seasons in a row consistent? Yeah consistently bad. With Gallard, Fielder, Braun, Hoffmann on the team Cameron did little to carry the Brewers. Obviously you just want a competitive .500 team and care little for the post season in which Bay carried the Red Sox. You call 3 .240 seasons in a row consistent? Yeah consistently bad. With Gallard, Fielder, Braun, Hoffmann on the team Cameron did little to carry the Brewers.

]]> By: Bob L http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34522 Bob L Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:32:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34522 The Mets are in a rebuilding stage. We need the better player(s) that can be instrumental in remaking this team into a 'contender'. Bay does that for us for a lot more years than Cameron (as much as i 'like' Mike). Cameron is 5 years and 9 months OLDER than Bay. And this ain't no longer the golden days of steroids. Case closed. The Mets are in a rebuilding stage. We need the better player(s) that can be instrumental in remaking this team into a ‘contender’. Bay does that for us for a lot more years than Cameron (as much as i ‘like’ Mike). Cameron is 5 years and 9 months OLDER than Bay. And this ain’t no longer the golden days of steroids. Case closed.

]]> By: Chris M http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34520 Chris M Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:07:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34520 but we're not talking about an expansion draft - we're talking about the difference between a short term contract for a small amount of money for Cameron vs. a long-term contract for a LOT of money for Bay. Yes, Bay was a better player last year than Cameron and Cameron is old, but Bay wasn't that much better than Cameron that he is worth all the extra money he's gonna get. And Cameron's been a more consistent player than Bay, so he'll most likely still be pretty good next year and even the year after. And, finally, there's a really good chance that Bay will be a pretty bad player by the end of his contract, when he's in his late 30's. but we’re not talking about an expansion draft – we’re talking about the difference between a short term contract for a small amount of money for Cameron vs. a long-term contract for a LOT of money for Bay. Yes, Bay was a better player last year than Cameron and Cameron is old, but Bay wasn’t that much better than Cameron that he is worth all the extra money he’s gonna get. And Cameron’s been a more consistent player than Bay, so he’ll most likely still be pretty good next year and even the year after. And, finally, there’s a really good chance that Bay will be a pretty bad player by the end of his contract, when he’s in his late 30′s.

]]> By: Des http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34509 Des Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:35:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34509 James, why so testy? Are you not speculating on the metrics knowledge of others. After all, you may be on top of a lot of arcane insights and parameters, but why not assume some other folks have brains and experience too? Finally, isn't Cameron, a guy I liked a lot when he played for us, just a wee bit more fragile than Bay? James, why so testy?

Are you not speculating on the metrics knowledge of others. After all, you may be on top of a lot of arcane insights and parameters, but why not assume some other folks have brains and experience too?

Finally, isn’t Cameron, a guy I liked a lot when he played for us, just a wee bit more fragile than Bay?

]]> By: kevin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34508 kevin Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:55:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34508 I had to add something else to my post. Can you imagine an expansion draft where the current versions of Bay and Cameron were available and a GM drafted 37 YO Cameron over Bay? Wow, EPIC FAIL. Talk about a doomed franchise. I had to add something else to my post. Can you imagine an expansion draft where the current versions of Bay and Cameron were available and a GM drafted 37 YO Cameron over Bay? Wow, EPIC FAIL. Talk about a doomed franchise.

]]> By: kevin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34507 kevin Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:52:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34507 Sorry, but only an idiot would consider Mike Cameron a better player than Jason Bay. Can you imagine any GM making a claim like that? They would be laughed out of the business. The press would have a field day. These new stats may help you win your fantasy leagues, but this is the real deal. Reminds me of Keith Hernandez saying stratomatic players would make terrible GM's when Cohen asked him if he ever considered a baseball front office job. I guess he plays stratomatic, but his point was well made. Sorry, but only an idiot would consider Mike Cameron a better player than Jason Bay. Can you imagine any GM making a claim like that? They would be laughed out of the business. The press would have a field day. These new stats may help you win your fantasy leagues, but this is the real deal. Reminds me of Keith Hernandez saying stratomatic players would make terrible GM’s when Cohen asked him if he ever considered a baseball front office job. I guess he plays stratomatic, but his point was well made.

]]> By: Original Met Fan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34506 Original Met Fan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:35:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34506 I dont think you have to be all into these new fangled stats to figure out that comparing a CF to LF defensively is a bad idea. And offensively there's no doubt about who is better, and those stats are a fair comparison. I dont think you have to be all into these new fangled stats to figure out that comparing a CF to LF defensively is a bad idea. And offensively there’s no doubt about who is better, and those stats are a fair comparison.

]]> By: James K. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/if-i-hear-camerons-name-one-more-time-i-think-ill-puke.html#comment-34505 James K. Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:08:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17252#comment-34505 The day you actually know what UZR and other advanced metrics are is the day I'll your criticisms of them will be valid. Know before your criticize. The day you actually know what UZR and other advanced metrics are is the day I’ll your criticisms of them will be valid. Know before your criticize.

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