Comments on: Fifth Place is Not Out of the Realm http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:16:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mikey J http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34325 Mikey J Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:41:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34325 thank you all for your comments....of course, I like to exaggerate on posts like this to encourage discussion.....but sadly, I really meant everything I said yesterday. I'm really losing confidence by the day in this regime. I'm not saying they can't be competitive in 2010, especially if everyone is healthy, but even if they are, I can't imagine finishing higher than 3rd in the division. thank you all for your comments….of course, I like to exaggerate on posts like this to encourage discussion…..but sadly, I really meant everything I said yesterday. I’m really losing confidence by the day in this regime. I’m not saying they can’t be competitive in 2010, especially if everyone is healthy, but even if they are, I can’t imagine finishing higher than 3rd in the division.

]]> By: TommyJ http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34323 TommyJ Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:32:22 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34323 Yes I also agree with you about Delgado. If the Mets fans only hope for power is relying on a 38 year old 1st baseman with a (hopefully) repaired hip, wow are we in trouble. Yes I also agree with you about Delgado. If the Mets fans only hope for power is relying on a 38 year old 1st baseman with a (hopefully) repaired hip, wow are we in trouble.

]]> By: Matt74 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34317 Matt74 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:33:25 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34317 They are not going to be as bad in '10 as they were in '09, even if they do nothing, but that ain't sayin' much. The Mets need the pitching more than anything. Inning eaters are the key. Lackey would be needed, Marquis may be OK , but how about Garland, an AL guy, he's still out there isn't he....and I like the Ben Sheets idea. I would love Halladay, but we don't have what it takes to get him unless he stays put until July. As for LF, I like Willingham, he'd be solid and servicable. I'm not with Holliday, still not proven out of CO. I love Bay, but don't know about him & Citi field, and he's very streaky (I have lived in Pgh for last 6 yrs). I think both these guys would end up as bad contracts. Please stop the Delgado bandwagon, Nick Johnson would get a .400+ OBP and won't SO. So if Wright bats in front of these 2, he will see pitches, and get back on track. They are not going to be as bad in ’10 as they were in ’09, even if they do nothing, but that ain’t sayin’ much. The Mets need the pitching more than anything. Inning eaters are the key. Lackey would be needed, Marquis may be OK , but how about Garland, an AL guy, he’s still out there isn’t he….and I like the Ben Sheets idea. I would love Halladay, but we don’t have what it takes to get him unless he stays put until July.
As for LF, I like Willingham, he’d be solid and servicable. I’m not with Holliday, still not proven out of CO. I love Bay, but don’t know about him & Citi field, and he’s very streaky (I have lived in Pgh for last 6 yrs). I think both these guys would end up as bad contracts.
Please stop the Delgado bandwagon, Nick Johnson would get a .400+ OBP and won’t SO. So if Wright bats in front of these 2, he will see pitches, and get back on track.

]]> By: duckbunny http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34313 duckbunny Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:14:15 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34313 Ever since their annoucememt that they were victims of Bernie Madoff, the Wilpons have INSISTED that the baseball operations have not been impacted. The disaster that was last season, as well as the chokes of the two previous to it, and the ascension of the Phillies and World championship of the Yankees have made me see something very interesting about Mets ownership - They must make a big impact NOW, and in the FREE AGENT MARKET, because: 1) They have *nothing* to trade - no minor league system to speak of, and no blue chips on the horizon. 2) They are competing with the N.Y.Yankees for the *same* buck - and in a brand new 6-800 million dollar stadium complex to boot. 3} Their division has gotten MUCH better in the last 2-3 years. It is now a *very* tough division. 4) If YOU were Johann Santana, would you be happy being a Met, knowing that the Yankees and Red Sox offered you similar money? I distinctly remember thinking to myself on at leat a DOZEN occaisions,"Wow, if Santana doesn't demand a trade to a better organization, we'll be *really* lucky!" Ditto for K-Rod. What is most interesting to me is that the Wilpons are now backed into a corner where their ACTIONS, not their dismissive rhetoric, will indicate whether or not their Madoff statements were a lie, or not. If they sign big names, they truly were not hurt, if they cheap out, then they lied to every Met fan, and should be called to account for their transgressions. I fear that the Mets may now be (at best) a middle market team competing in the Nations biigest market, with the Nation's best know sports franchise...I sure hope I'm wrong. Ever since their annoucememt that they were victims of Bernie Madoff, the Wilpons have INSISTED that the baseball operations have not been impacted. The disaster that was last season, as well as the chokes of the two previous to it, and the ascension of the Phillies and World championship of the Yankees have made me see something very interesting about Mets ownership – They must make a big impact NOW, and in the FREE AGENT MARKET, because:

1) They have *nothing* to trade – no minor league system to speak of, and no blue chips on the horizon.
2) They are competing with the N.Y.Yankees for the *same* buck – and in a brand new 6-800 million dollar stadium complex to boot.
3} Their division has gotten MUCH better in the last 2-3 years. It is now a *very* tough division.
4) If YOU were Johann Santana, would you be happy being a Met, knowing that the Yankees and Red Sox offered you similar money? I distinctly remember thinking to myself on at leat a DOZEN occaisions,”Wow, if Santana doesn’t demand a trade to a better organization, we’ll be *really* lucky!” Ditto for K-Rod.

What is most interesting to me is that the Wilpons are now backed into a corner where their ACTIONS, not their dismissive rhetoric, will indicate whether or not their Madoff statements were a lie, or not. If they sign big names, they truly were not hurt, if they cheap out, then they lied to every Met fan, and should be called to account for their transgressions.

I fear that the Mets may now be (at best) a middle market team competing in the Nations biigest market, with the Nation’s best know sports franchise…I sure hope I’m wrong.

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34303 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:37:33 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34303 I guesed what the Mets lineup would be and I didn't add any of the big 3 free agents. Then I compared them to the Phillies. The Phillies wound up with only 10 more RBI and a .5 lower ERA. You just want to ignore that? I guesed what the Mets lineup would be and I didn’t add any of the big 3 free agents. Then I compared them to the Phillies. The Phillies wound up with only 10 more RBI and a .5 lower ERA. You just want to ignore that?

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34301 theonlymaskman Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:32:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34301 We're fighting to stay out of the cellar except we've got Omar who ain't trying hard and a clueless clown for a field mgr who admits that all he does with his time off is take out the garbage and sweep out the kitchen. We’re fighting to stay out of the cellar except we’ve got Omar who ain’t trying hard and a clueless clown for a field mgr who admits that all he does with his time off is take out the garbage and sweep out the kitchen.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34299 theonlymaskman Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:18:18 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34299 I agree, the only thing we really have to look forward to is the canning of Jerry and Omar if the team has a poor first half. I will be amazed if any top players come here by either signing or trade. I don't count Molina as a top player. I agree, the only thing we really have to look forward to is the canning of Jerry and Omar if the team has a poor first half. I will be amazed if any top players come here by either signing or trade. I don’t count Molina as a top player.

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34298 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34298 Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

]]> By: D.C. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34296 D.C. Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:53:36 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34296 Can you say 65 wins next year if the Mets don't do something to improve the team. Can you say 65 wins next year if the Mets don’t do something to improve the team.

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34294 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:23:21 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34294 Ok I will compare this lineup with the Phillies side by side. for Reyes, Beltran, Delgado and Sheets I will put their 08 stats because they didn't play enough in 09. 1 Reyes 2.97 BA 16 Hrs 68 RBI 1Rollins 2.50 BA 21 HRs 77 RBI 2 Hudson 2.83 BA 9 HRS 62 RBI 2Victorino 2.92 BA 10 HRS 62 RBI 3 Wright 3.07 BA 10 HRs 72 RBI 3Utley 2.82 BA 31 HRs 93 RBI 4 Beltran 2.84 BA 27 HRs 112 RBI 4Howard 2.79 BA 45 HRs 141 RBI 5 Delgado 2.71 BA 38 HRs 115 RBI 5Werth 2.68 BA 36 HRs 99 RBI 6 Rivera 2.87 BA 25 HRs 85 RBI 6Ibanez 2.72 BA 34 HRs 93 RBI 7 Francouer2.80 BA 15 HRs 76 RBI 7Polanco 2.85 BA 10 Hrs 72 RBI 8 Molina 2.65 BA 20 HRs 80 RBI 8Ruiz 2.55 BA 9 HRs 43 RBI Totals 2.84 BA 160Hrs 670 RBI Totals 2.72 BA 196HRs 680 RBI The Phillies only have 10 more RBI than that lineup. yes the Phillies lineup is better but not by much. Lets see the pitching. 1 Santana 3.13 ERA 1 Lee 3.22 ERA 2 Marquis 4.04 ERA 2 Hamels 4.32 ERA 3 Sheets 3.09 ERA 3 Happ 2.93 ERA 4 Pelfery 5.03 ERA 4 Blanton 4.05 ERA 5 Maine 4.43 ERA 5 Moyer 4.94 ERA Totals 3.94 ERA totals 3.89 ERA Very very close. So lets see the Philles would only have 10 more RBI and.5 lower ERA. Please don't tell me we can't contend with them. They are not that much better than us. The stats don't lie! P.S I know Hudson is not on the Mets. Ok I will compare this lineup with the Phillies side by side. for Reyes, Beltran, Delgado and Sheets I will put their 08 stats because they didn’t play enough in 09.

1 Reyes 2.97 BA 16 Hrs 68 RBI 1Rollins 2.50 BA 21 HRs 77 RBI
2 Hudson 2.83 BA 9 HRS 62 RBI 2Victorino 2.92 BA 10 HRS 62 RBI
3 Wright 3.07 BA 10 HRs 72 RBI 3Utley 2.82 BA 31 HRs 93 RBI
4 Beltran 2.84 BA 27 HRs 112 RBI 4Howard 2.79 BA 45 HRs 141 RBI
5 Delgado 2.71 BA 38 HRs 115 RBI 5Werth 2.68 BA 36 HRs 99 RBI
6 Rivera 2.87 BA 25 HRs 85 RBI 6Ibanez 2.72 BA 34 HRs 93 RBI
7 Francouer2.80 BA 15 HRs 76 RBI 7Polanco 2.85 BA 10 Hrs 72 RBI
8 Molina 2.65 BA 20 HRs 80 RBI 8Ruiz 2.55 BA 9 HRs 43 RBI

Totals 2.84 BA 160Hrs 670 RBI Totals 2.72 BA 196HRs 680 RBI

The Phillies only have 10 more RBI than that lineup. yes the Phillies lineup is better but not by much. Lets see the pitching.

1 Santana 3.13 ERA 1 Lee 3.22 ERA
2 Marquis 4.04 ERA 2 Hamels 4.32 ERA
3 Sheets 3.09 ERA 3 Happ 2.93 ERA
4 Pelfery 5.03 ERA 4 Blanton 4.05 ERA
5 Maine 4.43 ERA 5 Moyer 4.94 ERA

Totals 3.94 ERA totals 3.89 ERA

Very very close. So lets see the Philles would only have 10 more RBI and.5 lower ERA. Please don’t tell me we can’t contend with them. They are not that much better than us. The stats don’t lie!

P.S I know Hudson is not on the Mets.

]]> By: Lifelongmetsfan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34292 Lifelongmetsfan Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:08:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34292 Hey Chicko nice try but wWhy would the Mets sign all those catchers if there plan was to sign Molina? If the Mets wanted to sign Delgado why haven't they? Crawford? What makes you think the Mets even have a shot at Crawford? Have you heard or read something I missed? Jason Marquis. Now that I can see happening. Of course The Mets sign Marquis Instead of Lackey could the Mets. this is the Mets after all... As for Hudson for the life of me I just don't get the love affair between Met fans and Hudson? Hudson is an injury watingto happen his production has declined.. Why not just stick with Castillo? Castillo will have the same type of year he had last year, his long term yearly numbers bear this out. He has been remarkably consistent except for the decline of stolen bases. Chicko EVEN if all the stars line up and your lineup comes true I don't I don't think its enough,,, We need 25+ right handed home runs from LF to hit #5 protecting Delgado in the #4 We also need 14-17 wins from the #2 starter. I don't see Jason M. winning 14-17 games and going into late innings consistently other games... the bullpen will be taxed with Perez's, Pelfrey's and Maine's starts. We need the #2 to consistently go 6+ inngs every start. Can Jason Marquis do that? Lackey certainly can! That's why it is IMPERATIVE that we sign Lackey! SIGN LACKEY! GIVE him a boat load of Money! Sign Lackey! Hey Chicko nice try but wWhy would the Mets sign all those catchers if there plan was to sign Molina? If the Mets wanted to sign Delgado why haven’t they?
Crawford? What makes you think the Mets even have a shot at Crawford? Have you heard or read something I missed?
Jason Marquis. Now that I can see happening. Of course The Mets sign Marquis Instead of Lackey could the Mets. this is the Mets after all…
As for Hudson for the life of me I just don’t get the love affair between Met fans and Hudson? Hudson is an injury watingto happen his production has declined.. Why not just stick with Castillo?
Castillo will have the same type of year he had last year, his long term yearly numbers bear this out. He has been remarkably consistent except for the decline of stolen bases.
Chicko EVEN if all the stars line up and your lineup comes true I don’t I don’t think its enough,,,
We need 25+ right handed home runs from LF to hit #5 protecting Delgado in the #4
We also need 14-17 wins from the #2 starter. I don’t see Jason M. winning 14-17 games and going into late innings consistently other games… the bullpen will be taxed with Perez’s, Pelfrey’s and Maine’s starts. We need the #2 to consistently go 6+ inngs every start. Can Jason Marquis do that? Lackey certainly can! That’s why it is IMPERATIVE that we sign Lackey! SIGN LACKEY! GIVE him a boat load of Money! Sign Lackey!

]]> By: MJ http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34291 MJ Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:29:47 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34291 You're damned right I want to root for a team that wins every year and I want that team to be the Mets. Are you saying that us Mets fans should settle for less because we are not the Yankees??!? Dammit, the Yankees rebuilt their whole team right before our eyes while the Mets have just sunk deeper and deeper into mediocrity. Right now, the team is a doormat. Do we even know that Reyes is geting better? Right now Manuel says Pelfrey is the number 2 starter. You think that is going to get it done? We cannot assume that the Mets will sign anybody because they have done nothing yet. So, with the team that is on paper today, are they winning anything? I think not. You’re damned right I want to root for a team that wins every year and I want that team to be the Mets. Are you saying that us Mets fans should settle for less because we are not the Yankees??!? Dammit, the Yankees rebuilt their whole team right before our eyes while the Mets have just sunk deeper and deeper into mediocrity. Right now, the team is a doormat. Do we even know that Reyes is geting better? Right now Manuel says Pelfrey is the number 2 starter. You think that is going to get it done? We cannot assume that the Mets will sign anybody because they have done nothing yet. So, with the team that is on paper today, are they winning anything? I think not.

]]> By: Big Dynasty http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34290 Big Dynasty Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:26:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34290 Do you really think this line-up could compete with the Phillies? Its a Line-up full of question marks. I think you are delusional PS.Orlando Hudson aint here yet friend!!!! Do you really think this line-up could compete with the Phillies? Its a Line-up full of question marks. I think you are delusional

PS.Orlando Hudson aint here yet friend!!!!

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34286 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:12:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34286 I will just put the lineup up here it is. 1 Reyes 2 Hudson 3 Wright 4 Beltran 5 Delgado 6 Rivera/Willingham Crawford maybe? 7 Francouer 8 Molina 1 Santana 2 Marquis 3 Sheets 4 Pelfery 5 Maine/Perez That team can compeat. of course it would be better with Lackey or Holliday. But it can make the playoffs and once you are in the playoffs anything can happen. I will just put the lineup up here it is.

1 Reyes
2 Hudson
3 Wright
4 Beltran
5 Delgado
6 Rivera/Willingham Crawford maybe?
7 Francouer
8 Molina

1 Santana
2 Marquis
3 Sheets
4 Pelfery
5 Maine/Perez

That team can compeat. of course it would be better with Lackey or Holliday. But it can make the playoffs and once you are in the playoffs anything can happen.

]]> By: Lifelongmetsfan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34285 Lifelongmetsfan Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:00:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34285 We HAVE to get Lackey and either Bay, Halliday, or some other right handed power Lf and sign Delgado for us to even THINIK about competing in 2010. Is there another path to being competeive thatI am not seeing? Please lay it out for me.......... We HAVE to get Lackey and either Bay, Halliday, or some other right handed power Lf and sign Delgado for us to even THINIK about competing in 2010.
Is there another path to being competeive thatI am not seeing? Please lay it out for me……….

]]> By: Lifelongmetsfan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34284 Lifelongmetsfan Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:56:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34284 Do you really think Thole is a Major League catcher?Craig I don't. Craig Biggio came up as a catcher didn't make it as a catcher had to switch to 2nd base. Dale Murphy came up as a catcher had to switch to OF. Thole is obviously never going nearly the same player as Biggio or Murphy, I'm sorry but I don't see Thole playing every day as a major league catcher. Do you really think Thole is a Major League catcher?Craig
I don’t. Craig Biggio came up as a catcher didn’t make it as a catcher had to switch to 2nd base. Dale Murphy came up as a catcher had to switch to OF. Thole is obviously never going nearly the same player as Biggio or Murphy, I’m sorry but I don’t see Thole playing every day as a major league catcher.

]]> By: Big Dynasty http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34283 Big Dynasty Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:38:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34283 If you been rooting since the 70's then you know this team has been coming up short for years. They have too many holes to fill and Omar looks like he doesnt even have a plan. But the problem is the Fan Base. Are you for real? What is pathetic is the morons in the front office take us all for fools. If you been rooting since the 70′s then you know this team has been coming up short for years. They have too many holes to fill and Omar looks like he doesnt even have a plan. But the problem is the Fan Base. Are you for real? What is pathetic is the morons in the front office take us all for fools.

]]> By: Lifelongmetsfan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34280 Lifelongmetsfan Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:30:32 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34280 If Tug McGraW had Henry Blanco and Chris Coste to throw to I think he would be a little bit nervous about his teams ability to compete also. Tug McGraw had Jon Milner playing 1st base. Daniel Murphy makes Jon Milner look like Babe Ruth! McGraw has a starting pitcing staff of Seaver, Kossman, Matlack, How postive would McGraw be with Santana, Perez, Pelfrey F... Tug McGraw! We need a #2 Pitcher, a power bat in LF and to sign Delgado for us to even compete! We can't people see this! If Tug McGraW had Henry Blanco and Chris Coste to throw to I think he would be a little bit nervous about his teams ability to compete also.
Tug McGraw had Jon Milner playing 1st base. Daniel Murphy makes Jon Milner look like Babe Ruth!
McGraw has a starting pitcing staff of Seaver, Kossman, Matlack,
How postive would McGraw be with Santana, Perez, Pelfrey
F… Tug McGraw! We need a #2 Pitcher, a power bat in LF and to sign Delgado for us to even compete!
We can’t people see this!

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34279 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:58:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34279 The Mets can and will compeat against in the NL east. We just need to build around our core.If we do that we will be able to give the Phillies hard time. The Mets can and will compeat against in the NL east. We just need to build around our core.If we do that we will be able to give the Phillies hard time.

]]> By: Chicho http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/fifth-place-is-not-out-of-the-realm.html#comment-34278 Chicho Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:54:53 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=17141#comment-34278 I don't think the Braves are getting that much better. Wagner and Saito are not much better than Gonzalez and Soriano. I don’t think the Braves are getting that much better. Wagner and Saito are not much better than Gonzalez and Soriano.

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