Dear Often Angry Mets Fan,
I don’t know if the 2009 Mets season made me a tougher fan, or if writing for this blog site did, but man you need to quit crying. Let’s talk about reality for a second.
The New York Mets cannot get every player in the MLBPA. It just can’t happen. John Lackey is reportedly getting a five year deal worth what, over 82 million dollars?
Look, that is a LOT of money to pay a #2 starter. It just is, and you need to get over it. I am a huge Lackey fan, I like watching the Angels play and I have watched him closely for a while. He has had arm problems, and it seems that everybody who is crying about Omar Minaya letting Lackey sign with the Red Sox just happen to be the same people who would protest all the way to Citi Field if Lackey got hurt after year 2. “Why did they give him a 5 year deal!” would be the rallying cry.
Lackey is a good pitcher, but I am a gambling man, and I’d gamble that by year #3 starts the Red Sox are looking to deal Lackey or regret that contract. The Mets are not in a position to throw years away in a contract. The Mets do not need 1 or 2 great years out of Lackey, they need 3 or 4. What’s your plan when he turns 33 and his health problems get worse?
Look, I get it, he’s a very good pitcher and probably would fit the Mets very nicely, but I believe the Red Sox overpaid. I do, and if the Mets signed him for that deal I’d say “wow, they overpaid.”
The double whammy was of course Roy Halladay being traded to the Phillies. If the Lackey signing didn’t send you into a hissy fit, this trade did the trick apparently. Man, I am sick of it! The Blue Jays wanted Jose Reyes involved in a deal for Halladay. Are you telling me you’re interested in trading a SS in his prime for a 33 year old pitcher? Get real.
The Phillies LOST that trade in my opinion. I don’t know all of the details yet, and frankly I do not need to. Sources say either Drabek or Happ left in this deal. That means the Phillies now have a gap in their rotation for 2010. I know that the Phillies traded away a lefty former Cy Young winner who was their ONLY hope in the 2009 playoffs for a 33 year old right handed pitcher who has never pitched a big game in his life. Look, Halladay to me is the best pitcher in the game, right now. However, if you’re asking me which pitcher I want in 2013, it’s Cliff Lee.
Let’s not forget, Lee is hitting the open market next year. That’s why the Phillies made this deal. The Marines are gambling, but it’s a low cost gamble to them. I’d rather bid on Cliff Lee next year.
You need to get over the fact that you think you are smarter than Omar Minaya, and that you think you have any idea what goes on inside the Wilpon’s office. Minaya is going nowhere until the 2010 season is done. The Wilpon’s are going nowhere, period. Let them build a team for the 2010 season, and then judge them.
You have no other choice. I’m tired of the constant complaining whenever ANYBODY signs a contract with another team. The Mets only have 25 active slots, and they don’t have room or money for everybody. You love this team because they are NOT the Yankees. Quit trying to make them the Yankees and demanding they buy every player.
This team was predicted to go to the World Series last year and then had what Bobby Cox said the most devastating year in terms of injuries that he has ever seen. Why in the world are you acting as though they won less than 81 games with a healthy Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Wright in the lineup?
Lastly, everybody mocking the small moves the Mets are making, you have a right to do that. However, THOSE are the moves that make or break a General Manager. Anybody can sign John Lackey, it takes a good GM to find talent where nobody is looking. For those calling WFAN or writing here saying they are not purchasing tickets, good, more for us and less for you. I don’t boo the team I root for, and I certainly don’t cry in the off-season, especially when it’s DECEMBER! It’s not even April yet, and you are acting like the Mets season is done.
So pick yourself up off the floor, wipe away those tears, and let’s start being realistic and enjoy the GAME.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Best Regards,
Realistic Mets Fan.
Clap, clap.
Maybe you’re blind? The top free agents are almost gone, and you know full well they aren’t going all in on Matt Holliday. The Wilpons absolutely LOVE people like you; mindless drones who are willing to dish out money year after year regardless of what recycled GARBAGE they continue to put out on the field. Cliff Lee may or may not be available next offseason. Beckett may or may NOT be available next offseason. Same goes for Mauer and Webb who may be retained by his team if he can prove he’s healthy this year. Why dwell on the “what ifs”? Sounds like the Mets are hoping for a Miracle like ’69 and ’86….Every season it’s the SAME thing: let’s hope this guy produces. Wishful thinking does NOT win championships. We could have gotten a sure Number 2 in Lackey. Enough about his injuries and durability. The guy is a bulldog and what have been more than sufficient. We played this game with Vladimir Guerrero awhile back, and look where that got us. Such a horrible “BACK INJURY” he had….(sarcasm) It’s all propaganda from the Coupons to deny putting money back in the team. And let’s not argue about the high payroll the Mets have had. It’s not how much you spend, but where you throw your money. Lackey isnt the best pitcher in the Major Leagues, but coming from the AL to the NL and pitching behind Santana would have translated into 16-18 wins. Because of the position we’re in (thank you Moron Minaya and Coupons), we have to overpay for guys to come to us. God forbid we do things like grow a farm system, have a decent GM who can speak proper English and not embarrass the entire organization, and put a winning formula into play…
You may be satisfied with the current predicament the Mets find themselves in, and that’s your prerogative. I, however, am not, and as a paying Mets fan, I have that right. Don’t insult those who are bitching this offseason; we have reason. It doesn’t mean I’m rooting AGAINST the Mets nor does it mean I hope for them to lose the season. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to put a smile on my face and accept secondary and recycled players from non-tenders to fill gaping holes in our rotation and lineup.
Stop Drinking the Kool-Aid and get with the times; we are far behind and will be that much more so if we do not get rid of Omar Minaya and Company.
I’ll still watch and support the Mets next season; but I’ll be damned if Im going to be quiet about an offseason that wreaks of failure.
Maybe you’re blind? The top free agents are almost gone, and you know full well they aren’t going all in on Matt Holliday.
—- Um 1 top free agent is gone. 4 out of the 5 top free agents are not signed. If you just take Keith Law’s ESPN list (because everybody has their own opinion.) Holliday, Bay, Piniero and Chapman have not signed. If the Mets sign Bay, you’ll still complain.
The Wilpons absolutely LOVE people like you; mindless drones who are willing to dish out money year after year regardless of what recycled GARBAGE they continue to put out on the field. Cliff Lee may or may not be available next offseason. Beckett may or may NOT be available next offseason. Same goes for Mauer and Webb who may be retained by his team if he can prove he’s healthy this year. Why dwell on the “what ifs”?
— So what exactly are you looking for the Mets to do? What will make you happy? Blow it up? Rely on prospects, which aren’t prospects the ultimate “what if” No, instead you want to sign 31 yr old starting pitchers with arm problems to Ace contracts. Cliff Lee told the Phillies he wants to test the open market and will not sign an extension…that’s why they traded him.
— I am ALL for the idea of not being scared about past injuries, but John Lackey is not a rotation ace, and he’s getting paid like one. The Red Sox signed a desperation contract.
I LOVE how the Mets don’t put $ into the team yet have the highest NL payroll. It’s never enough is it? The Mets payroll will be over $140 m next year, that should be enough $ to win.
See when you insult Minaya for the way he speaks, all you’re doing is proving you are ignorant.
Did Minaya not have anything to do with the 2006 Mets that went to the LCS? They missed the playoffs by a friggin game in 2008, you’re acting like we’re the damn Pirates!
All you do is bitch, so yeah I’m insulting you. You boo’d Carlos Beltran, you forget about Jose Reyes being a high value talent, and you think you know anything and everything there is to know about how the off-season works.
Signing Lackey to a 5 year deal is not an ACE contract. He got what Burnett got last year, so it’s on par with market value. Do you honestly think anyone is going to come to the Mets for a discount? Dream on.
Lackey is gone. Holliday is out of our league. Bay is the only prominent free agent left and he will probably demand 5 or 6 years seeing as Holliday just got an 8 year offer from the Cardinals. What other free agent can go toe to toe with the ones I just mentioned? None. 4 or 5 top free agents? You really are blind.
It’s not about what makes me happy. It’s about doing what’s right for the team and the organization going forward. It’s about thinking long term and since we’re New York, also devising a plan to contend and win short term. Boston and the Yankees do this consistently. In the last 10 years or so, they’ve won the World Series multiple times, have high payrolls, yet still have a respectable farm system. For the most part, they manage their money well enough (not perfect), to win now and in the future. We are hopelessly inadequate at doing so ourselves.
So Cliff Lee wants to test the open market huh? What makes you think we’re going to give him the mammoth contract he requires next offseason? He’s looking for CC type money and why not? He’s won a Cy Young, 22-23 wins in a season and is playoff proven..plus he’s a lefty. You honestly think we’re going to battle the Yankees, Mariners, Boston, or any other team who puts in a bid? If there is anything we can agree on, it has to be that the Mets do NOT go into bidding wars with teams. They tuck their tail between their legs and run.
Open your eyes and read what I wrote before you try and argue. I said not to argue about their payroll….140 million and it’s invested poorly. Teams with half that payroll are doing better. The bottom line is Omar invests in players who are exiting their prime and entering their golden years or just plain SUCK (Martinez, Perez, Castillo). It’s not about how much money you have, it’s about where you throw that money. Does money play a role? Absolutely. When a guy comes along (like Texeira for example), you throw money at him because you know you’re getting a top grade product. The Mets can have 200 million dollars in payroll, but so long as they skip out on players they need and players who are proven, they will always field the most expensive disaster money can buy.
How is insulting Minaya’s lack of rhetoric ability ignorant? Would you like an uneducated fool running your operations when he can’t even speak without stuttering and making himself look like a total jackass? And before you go off on the racial commentary, I’m hispanic. So don’t even go there. If you’re going to be a General Manager, learn to speak proper English and learn how to do business. The man has made us look like an absolute mess. Adam Rubin incident? Come on. No Class. No education. No PR skills.
I give credit where it is due, and he did a decent job of signing Beltran and getting Santana over here, and perhaps Delgado for trading next to nothing, but what he’s done after this has overshadowed the good. He’s garbage and he needs to go. Ignorant or not, it’s the truth.
And in 2006 when we missed that ONE game you so aptly speak of, that was your man Beltran looking at a curve ball like a 9 year old rookie in Little League. 100+million to do something I could have done for free. You go down SWINGING dammit. You don’t stare at a curveball like a deer in headlights. I like Beltran, but that moment will forever be etched in my head (as well as Castillo dropping a pop up)
If you haven’t noticed our CORE has not been working since 2006. It didn’t work then, not in 2007, not in 2008, we all know what happened in 2009….and so on. Im not saying trade Reyes or Wright. But let’s assess them for what they are: Good players, but not GREAT players. And Reyes has yet to prove that he can be that HIGH talent that takes us to the top. Wright has to prove he can hit 30 homers again. Can they? Probably. I’m not knocking them. Just being realistic.
So before you paint me to be an ignorant Mets fan, look up the facts and go by history, because if we don’t learn from our history, we’ll be doomed to repeat it.
Thanks for making yourself look dumb by insulting someone who had an opinion. So….let’s agree to disagree. If you’re going to insult me, at least know me. If not, back up your arguments with proven fact and at least some certainty.
I think there is a reason why sports illustrated picked the mets to win the world series last year. The Mets pretty much have the same team they picked to win last year. and it looks like the Mets will sign Bay or Holliday now. I still think they will sign Molina. Maybe some pitcher like Marquis or Garland or Bedard or Sheets. I also think they will sign one of Capps M.Gonzalez or Rodney.
So my question to you is if a team that everyone thought would be a very good team the year before signs Bay/Holliday, Molina, Marquis/Garland or Bedard/Sheets wouln’t they be a good team?
Also name all the teams in the NL that are better than the Mets. Phillies, Dodgers who else? Rockies? I doubt it. Cardnals only if they sign Holliday. Don’t give me the Marlins they are overrated. They have one good pitcher and one good hitter. Cantu and Uggla thats all. Giants have no hitting. D backs could be close but Upton and Reynolds are coming off carerr years you can’t expect them to do it again. Plus they strike out 200 times a year. Cubs? I don’t expect them to do good that good and looks like Soriano is on the downside of his career. I don’t think the Astors are that good. Braves need more hitting.
Maybe at the moment they are better but if the Mets get some players we could easyily make the post season.
Marlins are overrated? I think not. They finished in the top tier of our division and they have young up and coming stars. Even if they don’t have the “core” superstars we do, they have a better team, and they perform. They have aggressive pitching as well (something we are severely lacking in). Johnson, Sanchez and Volstad are better than the bottom 4 of our rotation members. For us it’s Number 1: Santana, and 4 number 5 starters: Pelfrey, Maine, Perez and Mystery Number 5.
The Giants, Rockies and Cardinals all finished ahead of us and are good teams.
The Braves and Astros can finish ahead of the Mets easily since we decide to choke ever year.
No one can predict which team will finish where, but looking at the wonderful array of moves we have already made (Coste, Blanco, the relief pitcher we just signed), let’s just say I expect the Cubs, Cardinals, Rockies, Giants, Marlins and Braves to do better than we will.
Now if the core can actually perform like the CORE….then we’ll definitely beat out most if not all teams mentioned above.
Mike, The reason why those teams finsihed ahead of the Mets was because all the Mets players were hurt. The Mets will get way ahead of those teams if they signed Bay.
Still don’t get why everyone thinks the Marlins are great they are alright but they are not a playoff team. You said Volsatd is a good pitcher he is not 5.21 ERA rather have Pelf. Sanchez is good maybe a #3. They don’t have any power besides Uggla who is not good. Cantu is ok. I’m not crazy about ross. Coghlan is a good player but gives you no power. The only hitter who is a very good is ramirez.
As of now the Marlins are better. but I think the Mets will sign Bay and a few pitchers then we will be in my opinion the 3 best team in the NL. I don’t think the Marlins will sign anyone.
Gotta agree with Mike. Yes we lost by one game in 07 and 08, but were either of those sucker punch losses a surprise? The Mets had been blowing games left and right for two straight months before their collapse. The reason so many of us are infuriated by the front office’s moves are not because Minaya can’t speak english well. Who the hell cares, its clearly not his first language. But it is indicative of a culture of incompetence that we’re seeing at every level of the organization. First, they completely botch their new stadium, no Mets history to speak of on display. They can’t fire a guy who clearly deserved to be fired without it blowing up in their faces. The medical/training/coaching staff is so bad that nearly EVERYONE on the team went down with injuries. The FO had so built so little depth that the entire system – from the majors to every single minor league team collapsed.
Now you and the front office are apparently going to rely on Beltran, Reyes, and Santana all of a sudden returning immediately to their 06-08 level of play. Why? They’re all coming off injuries that would be bad enough, if the Mets staff hadn’t badly mismanaged them in the first place. To boot, the same people who bungled the injuries the first time around, are overseeing the rehab! These guys are far from reliable. So now, you have no idea what you will be getting from your so called “core” of Beltran, Reyes, Santana, K-Rod, and Wright – either due to injury or unexplainably sub-par numbers that may pop up again. Instead of focusing on free agents that may or may not hit the market, and most likely will demand more money to play for a team that apparently no one wants to play for, the Mets should have tried to go for guys NOW. Instead of using the leverage that a big-market team could deploy to consistently field a powerful team a la the Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers, they completely botched it yet again, for approximately the 40th time in 47 years. So yes, the fans are eff-ing pissed yet again, and we have every right to be. We want to see a decent team on the field, not the the most “prudent product” that the Sterling Co. was willing to pay for.
Shamik,
You are a true Mets fan and one who sees beyond the facade the Wilpons and Co. are trying to feed us. I’m glad to see SOMEONE has the common sense and decency to stand up for what they believe is the right thing to do for not only the fans, but the Mets and their organization. You are a true fan at heart!
-Mike
What makes you think that Beltran,Reyes,wirght and Santana can’t return to thier 08 form? Reyes has been injuried before and came back fully healthy why can’t he do it now?
Santana should be fine even if he looses MHP on his fastball I don’t think it would make a difference because he was never a power pitcher to begin with.
Why would Wright not get back to his 08 form? He is coming of a bad year and usualy a player coming of a bad year they have a good year the next year.
If the Mets sign Bay,Molina and a few other pitchers they will be the 3 best team in the NL.
My medical training tells me that people with these sort of injuries take time to heal and recover. That and my complete lack of faith in the Mets lack of ability to rehab and properly manage injuries.
Just one comment: you said “trade shortstop in his PRIME” (emphasis added) Yeah, right, you mean a busted shortstop who will never live up to the hype. Keeping him has probably hurt our team more than losing 10 free agents.
Go find a better available SS to fill the leadoff spot and that position and then you can talk about him being a bust. To me, in 2008 he was 3rd among all SS’s in OPS and had more SB’s than any of them. Unless I’m getting Hanley Ramirez or maybe Tulowitzki, no other SS matches his talent and both of those guys certainly are not leadoff hitters.
What’s his talent level with a thrice-torn hamstring? He’s definitely going to lose a step coming back from injury, and I just dont think that he’s a good enough hitter to overcome that.
A chronic hamstring injury, mental errors, lapses of concentration, still has problems with pitch selection…hes 27 now, not a young kid anymore, and he’s only had 2 good seasons and one decent one. Look he’s an electric player with a ton of talent and when he’s going well he’s a very very good player. But to be honest he’s not in the top 5 group of SS anymore until he can get back to 2006/8 levels and stay healthy. There’s a lot of good young SS out there (tulowitzki, aybar, cabrera, ramirez, bartlett) not to mention jeter and tejada playing at top levels.
Reyes has an 11 million dollar option on his deal after this year, that’s it. When the Mets are languishing in 4th place, I would hope they listen on Reyes, because his best value moving forward might be in a trade.
Define Chronic please…………..when was the last time before 09 he spent any lengthy time out with hamstring problems?
He is the most electric person in baseball, and his numbers prove it. The best of the best of the best have never NOT made a mistake…….
You people can pick shite out of a haystack I swear…….
Come on I don’t get why every is bashing Reyes. I don’t care what you say he is one of the best players in the MLB. Look at his stats in the last couple of years. He can do everything hits for a good average led the league in hits a year ago. good defense, stolen bases. He can hit about 10-15 HRs wich is pretty good for a SS. I know he makes mental errors sometimes but as of now he is the 3 best SS in the league.
He had chronic hamstring problems at the beginning of his career, so much so that people were concerned if he’d ever pan out. He relies on his speed and if he doesn’t have that I dont think he’s that much better than the average SS.
If he did it before he can do it again.
What the heck are you talking about? Not living up the hype? Stop right now, seriously, thats just plain nonsense and wrong.
amen
TRADE THE CORE! BLOW IT UP! FREDDY COUPONS! FIRE OMAR! DRINK HIS BLOOD!
I don’t think that it’s the very IDEA of being critical at which he’s taking aim. It’s the tone/degree of said criticism.
I’m not a huge fan of Omar as a GM. That said, you want him to go all in on Type-A FAs AND build up the farm system at once. I’m not a huge fan of some of the Wilpons’ moves as owners. But “Coupons” nonsense in the wake of the Beltran, Martinez, Wright/Reyes, Santana and Rodriguez deals is misplaced.
Criticize if you want. But constant, self-contradictory ‘FAN ranting just tends to get you dirty looks and mothers shielding their kids from you in the Internet’s figurative subway.
They have a high payroll and obviously aren’t CHEAP so to speak. It’s an expression I use to insult them because they deserve to be insulted and when a player comes along that DESERVES money, they don’t throw it at them.
They’ll gladly overpay Perez and Castillo though
Let’s hope they can fix the mess. I didn’t intend for my post to sound that belligerent, but I’m such a passionate Mets fan that seeing this debacle gets me on edge. Thanks for constructively criticizing my post without insulting me like the author of the above written article. Shows lots of class.
No where did he say you need to like what’s going on. Sure, it definitely sounds Kool-Aid-ish but really, all this ‘demanding’ and ‘frustration’ and huffing and puffing – what’s with all the posturing? Give it a rest was Jessep’s point. Ticket sales will be the ultimate judge.
Seeing as I’ve put in my own money into watching this Team, I believe those I have the right to be discontent and voice my opinion regardless of the time left in the off season or the extent of other “war cries.”
This isn’t a knock on you; just giving you the reasoning behind my “moaning and groaning.”
Jose Reyes should not be traded. If Reyes comes back healthy and from what I am reading he will; Reyes is quite simply one of the top 5 run producing players in the game. Reyes changes games. Without Reyes in the lineup the Mets will struggle to compete no matter who we get for him.
Beltran is playing with literally no cartilage in one knee. Beltran is another supremely productive play as possible.er but will need substantial time off during the season the remainder of his career to get the most innings out of his knee. An Maerican league team may want Beltran to split time DH and OF but thats a few years away. I doubt very much Beltran would admit that his playing time is limited now.
David Wright is the most consistent of the three and would return the most value in a trade however the Mets are never trading Wright. To trade Wright would admit that the Mets have failed and are starting over… After having just built a new stadium that’s not gonna happen at least for the next few years anyway.
We’re stuck with what we have for the next few years. Perhaps Oliver Perez will have a “decent” year in 2010 and be tradable.
SHrugs…
Yes I k now its not even Christmas but I have a feeling its gonna be a long frustrating 2010 season as we struggle to compete for 3rd place and agonizingly chase but not catch the Wild-Card.
Agreed.
Reyes should not be traded.
Whoever wants him traded is full of B.S.
How can you say its not OK to spend that money on a number two starter when the red sox just did that and he might even b a number 3 starter too. So your logic is off
i agree that, while painful, we are better off not having made the deals for both of these high-quality pitchers because of the ‘price’/risk involved. However, it is entirely appropriate to criticize (not hysterically) our current predicament, and to suggest moves/ideas to improve the team.
Toronto tried to hold us up for Halladay; Molina wants 3-yrars Gtd; Bay will likely want Holliday-esque money and 5 years. Some of this is the market, but much of it are players/agents taking advantage of the dire situation we’re in.
i blame Omar and ownership for this situation. From Guerrero’s ‘bad’ back 5 years ago, to depending too long on an old/fragile Moises Alou, and a bad-armed Pedro, and NOT going out, via trade or F/A to fix the team before both the 2008 and 2009 seasons.
We MUST be pro-active NOW, at this atage of the winter signing period. We need to improve the team. Even should the ‘core’ return healthy and effective, we have holes in LF, C, the rotaion, the pen, and need critical depth at 1B and 2B.
There are relatively less expensive (and less desirable but better than we have) options out there for the ‘getting’. Go get them, Omar & Jeff.
This how stupid Mets Management are these days. Omar has turned into M. Donald Grant and you know what happens. Yep, we are headed that way to the dark ages.
Good article. I understand your point though I am somewhere between wanting to tell everyone to grow up and cutting my wrists.
As far as gambling goes – all trades are gambles. Not making a trade is not a gamble. The Mets passed on Vlad a few years back because they didn’t want to take a gamble on his ‘bad back’. Many Mets fans screamed at management about it – and they turned out to be right.
I believe the problems with the Mets have to do with leadership – both on the team and in management. Lackey seems to have that bull dog in him that the Mets so desperately need.
The Mets have a lot of talent but no glue to hold it together. A player like Lackey would have been worth more then just what he does on the mound.
It’s those type of players the Mets need.
Taking a gamble is not a bad thing. Taking an uneducated gamble is. For example, were the Yanks wrong to sign Pavano? He was a pretty damn good pitcher until then. How were they supposed to know that he would get injured and stay on the DL for 4 years? Contrast that with the Mets signing Victor Zambrano or Putz, both of whom clearly had arm injuries and the Mets just didnt bother to do their due diligence when checking them out. Now the pendulum has swung to the other side where the slightest hint of injury makes hte Mets and Met fans skittish about signing anyone.
Zambrano was certainly an uneducated gamble. He had severe pitching problems that were added with his injury history and his 2 cent brain. If I’m not mistaken, he lead the AL in walks BEFORE we traded for him. It was just a stupid arrogant move by the front office and Rick Peterson.
On the other hand, the Mets have a history of using a past injury to cover up the fact that they don’t want to spend the money. They straddle the fence to suit their argument.
Remember the term “catch lightening in a bottle”? That was their excuse for going after an injury prone over the hill cheap player.
Hey jessup, let me know when the Mets win something as the team with the largest resources in the NL.
Met fans aren’t complaining because the Mets have a trait that complainers are attracted to. It’s because the team is a pathetic mess. They don’t sign the big guys OR the little guys that it takes to win. If they did, they’d like, you know, win.
Congratulations on being a Met lackey and not holding this team accountable for its miserable failures. Instead of ripping into Met fans, you should not only be joining them but going one step further by considering boycotting this team financially, since that is the only thing that will get Mr. Wilpon’s attention. Otherwise he’ll think his idiot son is doing a great job running the team and making the baseball decisions, and fans will continue to suffer.
Sounds like the definiation of bandwagon……….
Spare me, theres a difference between just having a bad team that lacks the resources to compete like the Pirates or Indians and just sheer incompetence throughout your history like the Mets. 47 years with the advantages of a huge market and loyal fanbase and all they have to show for it all is garbage. They deserve all the sh** being hurled at them.
Not supporting the team financially is the only way things will change. You can call that “bandwagon” but I’ve given this team a ton of my money and time over the last 25 years. The way they do business and the results are not acceptable and they need to know that.
It’s not that the Mets have a $140 million payroll, it’s that the Mets abruptly stopped spending ALL money after the Madoff scandal. Last year would have been different if we would have signed Wolf and Abreu. I remember Abreu being puzzled as to why he didn’t receive a call from the Mets. At about the same time the Daniel Murphy is a Stud bandwagon started. Since then, it has been a series of cost cutting moves. Blaming Omar is incorrect as he is only doing what he can without a real budget. He has to sign guys like Cora for more than market value because he can’t afford getting stuck with nothing. With no money there is no leverage.
If that is the case, why not just have a fire-sale? Sell off the team for top prospects and just start over a la the Marlins? Its worked for them? I….oh I see what they’re doing. They’re just waiting for all the injured guys to come back and show that they’re still pretty decent and THEN having the fire sale! Oh Omar Minaya, you sly dog you!
The answer to that is really simple. If they have a fire sale then no one will renew their season tickets or show up to CitiField. Why else would the Mets want everyone to renew their season tickets in December.
Great Post!
agreed it is a great post.
Jose was hurt early in his career and then Mets tried an asanine idea to change his running style, he looked like Castillo running the bases, dragging a leg along. He is an elite SS and will return and shut all your mouths up plus he was not offered to Toronto so please guys’ get your fact together. I agree 100% with this post, I saw the previous one with Tommy and wow, what a downer, I would of had a drink if I was a drinker. All you Jose haters have no compassion for a player who was hurt, mis diagnosed’ tried to return when he shouldn’t of and don’t look at his heart only at his mistakes. You wish you had the talent he had.
Of course I wish I had the talent he had. Hell if I had even half the talent he had I’d sucker some GM into forking over 2 mil (Paging Mr. Minaya!) and call it a career.
Mike,
Fantastic posts. Agree with you wholeheartedly as a distraught Met fan. I have one simple question to ask which basically is illustrative of what jackasses the Wilpons are. How much do we pay Bobby Bonilla and when does his contract expire? When you find the answer, you’ll realize why this organization is in such disarray.
And to follow the response to the my previous question Mr. Jessep, that’s why I/we have a right to be angry!!!
Hobbs:
When you get your paycheck from work, does it say
Social Security Taxes: ____
Medicare: _____
Bobby Bonilla’s salary: ______
why do you care that the Mets are paying Bonilla $1m every year until July 2035? It’s not like they are paying him such an insane amount of $… you think that $ really has anything to do with the Mets roster now or in the future? It’s a deferred interest payment spread across several years?
Let me ask you this
Would you rather the Mets make the World Series Bonilla free in 2000 or would you rather have had him eating away at that team with his horses&^$% attitude?
I also have to join the chorus of those who do not have faith that the current management will be able to turn this team around.
Do I expect them to operate like the Yankees, throwing huge amounts of money at whatever “superstar” they covet? No. Hardly any team in MLB can. Call me old fashion, but I still believe that you build a great team mostly from within. Then add a “superstar” or 2 from the free agent pool.
Is it unfair the New York Mets are forced to compete with one the of biggest, if not the biggest sport franchises in history, maybe so. I think this management has made such a mess of our team trying to be the “Yankees of Queens” that they don’t know (or are afraid to admit) how to turn it around.
I wonder if the owner spends too much time daydreaming about his beloved Brooklyn Dodgers and not enough time on the team he owns.
I keep hoping that these thoughts are wrong, but more and more I fear I’m not.
I do not understand how other teams such as the Marlins can find and develop good young pitchers. I do not understand (as I have said before)how the Minnesota Twins with a tiny payroll compared to the Mets seem to always give their fans a competive and entertaining team.
As I have said before I have been a Mets fan since 1968. I have seen some horrible Mets teams over the years. I have seen 2 truely amazing (no pun intended) teams. Through it all I remain a loyal fan. So as a loyal (ticket buying) fan I will continue to complain (or complement) loudly when management does something to affect my team.
How is it unfair? In NY in the late 80′s, they Mets were the first team to draw 3 million fans. The Yankees were simply better businessmen, as the Mets locked themselves into a long TV deal, while the Yankees were able to take advantage of exploding TV revenues. If the Mets had better management with more foresight, they’d not only be able to compete with the Yankees, they might even be bringing in more revenue than them.
Dear Realistic…..
You have the right idea about the majority of the people who always seem to be complaining about overpaying players or giving them long term contracts. When a team is on top they can deal from a position of strength but when things have gone wrong teams are more likely to gamble on a player as they did with Oliver Perez. Unfortunately, the idea that Ollie was ready to blossom failed miserably and now we are stuck with him. When another team needs a pitcher they might take a gamble on a Perez and will probably get the Mets to pay a good part of his contract too. Sometimes, it is a crapshoot.
If the Mets are going to compete this year they will need a strong comeback from Reyes and Wright, a banger in left field like Jason Bay and another starting pitcher like Jason Marquis who can give them quality innings. I don’t think that anyone will be breaking down the door money wise for Carlos Delgado so he could be signed for a year or two as we await Ike Davis. I don’t see anyone giving a three year deal to Molina unless they are desperate and Josh Thiole seems to be the catcher of the future.
We will need to be a bit more patient and see what transpires!
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