Comments on: No Gold Glove For Wright; Guess He Didn’t Hit Well Enough http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:16:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Metsgod97 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32377 Metsgod97 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:50:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32377 so says Murray Chass so says Murray Chass

]]> By: Ed Leyro http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32328 Ed Leyro Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:02:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32328 Thanks for reading it all the way through. Glad the italics in the final paragraph grabbed your attention. Too bad it didn't do the job for all the readers. I hope the next time Wright gets a piece of gold, it's in his championship ring. Then we'll all wave pom poms, but for the entire team. Thanks for reading it all the way through. Glad the italics in the final paragraph grabbed your attention. Too bad it didn’t do the job for all the readers.

I hope the next time Wright gets a piece of gold, it’s in his championship ring. Then we’ll all wave pom poms, but for the entire team.

]]> By: julia http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32320 julia Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:25:00 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32320 oh for petes sake can we all leave david alone? im not talking about the post, for the most part it was pretty accurate. we all know david didn't deserve to win the GG this season. but the people calling him a horrible third baseman and that crap? just stop. i mean come on, do you REALLY think that if he had gotten his 30 HR, 100 RBIs and hadn't made a single error it really would have made a difference in the outcome of this season? this season was lost, and so was david's focus. he's still a pretty young player who was never put into this kind of situation before, carrying the entire team on his shoulders. im no major league player, heck, im no little league player. but i do strongly believe that the way this season was going had some effect on david's play. am i saying he wasn't trying hard enough? no. im saying that when there are so many injuries and just so many things going wrong, it's hard to get in the swing of things. yes, i'm aware he was struggling right off the bat. but i do believe if he had something worth playing for, he would have found his stride. again, im in no way saying he wasn't trying. i just think it's a mental thing he needs to over come. love david and always will, cut him some slack. oh for petes sake can we all leave david alone? im not talking about the post, for the most part it was pretty accurate. we all know david didn’t deserve to win the GG this season. but the people calling him a horrible third baseman and that crap? just stop. i mean come on, do you REALLY think that if he had gotten his 30 HR, 100 RBIs and hadn’t made a single error it really would have made a difference in the outcome of this season? this season was lost, and so was david’s focus. he’s still a pretty young player who was never put into this kind of situation before, carrying the entire team on his shoulders. im no major league player, heck, im no little league player. but i do strongly believe that the way this season was going had some effect on david’s play. am i saying he wasn’t trying hard enough? no. im saying that when there are so many injuries and just so many things going wrong, it’s hard to get in the swing of things. yes, i’m aware he was struggling right off the bat. but i do believe if he had something worth playing for, he would have found his stride. again, im in no way saying he wasn’t trying. i just think it’s a mental thing he needs to over come. love david and always will, cut him some slack.

]]> By: Colonel_Kurtz http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32314 Colonel_Kurtz Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:02:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32314 The Gold Glove Award seems to be ridculed a lot and rightfully so. They DO look at hitting over the actual defense now. Wright didn't really deserve it in 2008. In 2007, if you look at the other 3Bs and their defensive stats, you can see why they chose him. Reyes was indeed robbed of the award in 2007 because of Rollins' offense. Regardless, this post gets a massive win from me because of the Arte Johnson reference... "...BUT STUPID AND UNNECESSARY!" Such a classic Laugh-In skit. The Gold Glove Award seems to be ridculed a lot and rightfully so. They DO look at hitting over the actual defense now. Wright didn’t really deserve it in 2008. In 2007, if you look at the other 3Bs and their defensive stats, you can see why they chose him. Reyes was indeed robbed of the award in 2007 because of Rollins’ offense.

Regardless, this post gets a massive win from me because of the Arte Johnson reference…

“…BUT STUPID AND UNNECESSARY!”

Such a classic Laugh-In skit.

]]> By: steve http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32310 steve Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:15:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32310 WOW I never thought David would get this.Leave the pour guy alone.he is one of the only Mets who,gives a care.Do you think he cares if he wins a gold glove,or not??Im sure he would rather be winning games,then win this award?The guy already puts too much pressure on himself.I think the guys deserves 1 mulligan in his career.Now if he hits like this again,or makes 18 errors,put him in Leftfield.Then maybe he can get used to the wall,and figure a way to hit a ball over it. WOW I never thought David would get this.Leave the pour guy alone.he is one of the only Mets who,gives a care.Do you think he cares if he wins a gold glove,or not??Im sure he would rather be winning games,then win this award?The guy already puts too much pressure on himself.I think the guys deserves 1 mulligan in his career.Now if he hits like this again,or makes 18 errors,put him in Leftfield.Then maybe he can get used to the wall,and figure a way to hit a ball over it.

]]> By: Joe D http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32294 Joe D Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32294 I love this post Ed. I also felt that Wright shouldn't have won the Gold Gloves in 2007 and 2008. I did think Reyes should have won in 07 over Rollins. Beltran's gold gloves were well deserved. As UZR gains more and more poularity, maybe the Gold Glove voting will eventually reward those who are most deserving. I love this post Ed. I also felt that Wright shouldn’t have won the Gold Gloves in 2007 and 2008. I did think Reyes should have won in 07 over Rollins. Beltran’s gold gloves were well deserved. As UZR gains more and more poularity, maybe the Gold Glove voting will eventually reward those who are most deserving.

]]> By: James K. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32287 James K. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32287 Good comment, most people generally read the title and first paragraph of posts then head straight for the comments. It's annoying. Good comment, most people generally read the title and first paragraph of posts then head straight for the comments. It’s annoying.

]]> By: Paul Nassau http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32286 Paul Nassau Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:16:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32286 I've watched baseball for 70 years and I never saw a great third baseman who moved back on balls hit his way. How come no coach has been able to get this thought into Wright's head? Yes, he makes some spectacular plays, but not enough to outweigh the negatives. And his arm? You hold your breath on every throw. Personally I would have turned him into a first baseman by now. Pops I’ve watched baseball for 70 years and I never saw a great third baseman who moved back on balls hit his way. How come no coach has been able to get this thought into Wright’s head? Yes, he makes some spectacular plays, but not enough to outweigh the negatives. And his arm? You hold your breath on every throw. Personally I would have turned him into a first baseman by now.
Pops

]]> By: Mykey http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32284 Mykey Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:19:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32284 Are you people able to read? Ed stated at the end of his post that he did not think Wright should have won the award. He was just using Wright as an example. So stop with the pompom comments. Are you people able to read? Ed stated at the end of his post that he did not think Wright should have won the award. He was just using Wright as an example. So stop with the pompom comments.

]]> By: jdon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32280 jdon Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:34:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32280 the only reason DW ever got a gold glove was because of his hitting. he is an atrocious 3B. perhaps in the two years he did win, everyone else just happened to be more atrocious? the only reason DW ever got a gold glove was because of his hitting. he is an atrocious 3B. perhaps in the two years he did win, everyone else just happened to be more atrocious?

]]> By: LongTimeFan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32278 LongTimeFan Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:59:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32278 A bunch of nonsense. David Wright stunk it up in the field this season and would have been undeserving had he hit 100 homers. Perhaps you could have made additional use of your time determining what is gold glove standard. I suspect there is no defined terms and involves observation and whatever stats one swears by - or dismisses as nonsense. Who is more deserving - a steady Eddie or someone who wows both fans and players alike with a propensity for the spectacular? David was highlight reel material throughout 2008, and was largely its polar opposite in 2009, and wasn't even steady Eddie. I submit to you than Brandon Phillips had a far better year with the bat than Orlando Hudson who won the award again after a brief absence. I submit to you that Jayson Werth had a far better season offensively than Michael Bourn, that Albert Pujols bat was better than Adrian Gonzalez's, so too Troy Tululowski...or however his name is spelled...over Jimmmy Rollins, and many over Placido Polanco and his 2 lone errors. Carlos Lee did not best Matt Kemp, nor Dan Uggla over Orlando Hudson. AROD did not best Evan Longoria. Angel Pagan did not best Shane Victorino. UZR this, UZR, that, only 8 errors for Jeter means something. Perhaps not with this new age obsession fixated on sabermetrics rather than old fashioned seeing is believing and some common sense. Only these ridiculous stats could somehow proclaim that Daniel Murphy was one of the NL's best first baseman. For the record, I watched at least 150 Mets games this season and my eyes told me that David Wright deserved no GG. Not even close. Any objective Mets fan who watched most games could see that. And as forthright as David is, I suspect he'd tell you the same and is happy his good buddy Zim won it. A bunch of nonsense. David Wright stunk it up in the field this season and would have been undeserving had he hit 100 homers.

Perhaps you could have made additional use of your time determining what is gold glove standard. I suspect there is no defined terms and involves observation and whatever stats one swears by – or dismisses as nonsense. Who is more deserving – a steady Eddie or someone who wows both fans and players alike with a propensity for the spectacular? David was highlight reel material throughout 2008, and was largely its polar opposite in 2009, and wasn’t even steady Eddie.

I submit to you than Brandon Phillips had a far better year with the bat than Orlando Hudson who won the award again after a brief absence.

I submit to you that Jayson Werth had a far better season offensively than Michael Bourn, that Albert Pujols bat was better than Adrian Gonzalez’s, so too Troy Tululowski…or however his name is spelled…over Jimmmy Rollins, and many over Placido Polanco and his 2 lone errors. Carlos Lee did not best Matt Kemp, nor Dan Uggla over Orlando Hudson. AROD did not best Evan Longoria. Angel Pagan did not best Shane Victorino.

UZR this, UZR, that, only 8 errors for Jeter means something. Perhaps not with this new age obsession fixated on sabermetrics rather than old fashioned seeing is believing and some common sense. Only these ridiculous stats could somehow proclaim that Daniel Murphy was one of the NL’s best first baseman.

For the record, I watched at least 150 Mets games this season and my eyes told me that David Wright deserved no GG. Not even close. Any objective Mets fan who watched most games could see that. And as forthright as David is, I suspect he’d tell you the same and is happy his good buddy Zim won it.

]]> By: James K. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32273 James K. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:19:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32273 I gotcha, Jeter's first few Gold Gloves were total jokes. He was among the worst, if not the worst, defensive shortstop those years. Stick with UZR it's not too scary! And you'll generally find that guys who appear to be good fielders (according to your eyes) are also good per UZR. I gotcha, Jeter’s first few Gold Gloves were total jokes. He was among the worst, if not the worst, defensive shortstop those years. Stick with UZR it’s not too scary! And you’ll generally find that guys who appear to be good fielders (according to your eyes) are also good per UZR.

]]> By: andy http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32269 andy Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:57:47 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32269 NOTE: Palmeiro was not on steroids, it was VIAGRA!!!!!!! NOTE: Palmeiro was not on steroids, it was VIAGRA!!!!!!!

]]> By: Kelly Horn http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32268 Kelly Horn Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:56:19 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32268 A lot of awards that are given out don't always seem fair and just. I think we often question who wins the MVP and All Star voting as well. If only the world was always fair and the best man always won. I don't know that David earned a Gold Glove this year, but I understand your point and agree with you. Is it 2010 yet? Nice post Ed! A lot of awards that are given out don’t always seem fair and just. I think we often question who wins the MVP and All Star voting as well. If only the world was always fair and the best man always won.

I don’t know that David earned a Gold Glove this year, but I understand your point and agree with you.

Is it 2010 yet? Nice post Ed!

]]> By: Shamsky http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32265 Shamsky Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:22:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32265 That year that Rafael Palmeiro won the Gold Glove was an absolute joke!!! That year that Rafael Palmeiro won the Gold Glove was an absolute joke!!!

]]> By: BTF http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32264 BTF Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:38:13 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32264 I've actually been seeing UZR and UZR/150 referenced quite often in the last few weeks by a few writers on this site. It sure did take a long time for them to come along though. However, Bayonne is right and there is way too much pompom waving on here which is fine as long as you balance it with something based on a careful statistical analysis from time to time. I do like the site and make a trek here once or twice a day. I’ve actually been seeing UZR and UZR/150 referenced quite often in the last few weeks by a few writers on this site. It sure did take a long time for them to come along though. However, Bayonne is right and there is way too much pompom waving on here which is fine as long as you balance it with something based on a careful statistical analysis from time to time. I do like the site and make a trek here once or twice a day.

]]> By: Ed Leyro http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32263 Ed Leyro Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:31:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32263 Every once in a while, I have to go to the UZR. Of course, this was my "once" and it may be a "while" before I need it again. I think I only mentioned his 2008 defensive performance in relation to him being named the worst fielder by Bill James and the other panelists for the Fielding Bible. I used that to make the point that he has never been a Gold Glove quality shortstop, but of course, this year his offense improved and apparently, his defense did as well. The mighty voters have spoken! Every once in a while, I have to go to the UZR. Of course, this was my “once” and it may be a “while” before I need it again.

I think I only mentioned his 2008 defensive performance in relation to him being named the worst fielder by Bill James and the other panelists for the Fielding Bible. I used that to make the point that he has never been a Gold Glove quality shortstop, but of course, this year his offense improved and apparently, his defense did as well. The mighty voters have spoken!

]]> By: Bayonne Mets Fan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32262 Bayonne Mets Fan Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:28:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32262 Maybe....just maybe it's possible that Zimmerman had a good year in the field at the same time Wright had his worse year? Ever think of that? Ed is a nice man but he loooovesss his Davey W. Maybe….just maybe it’s possible that Zimmerman had a good year in the field at the same time Wright had his worse year? Ever think of that?

Ed is a nice man but he loooovesss his Davey W.

]]> By: Ed Leyro http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32261 Ed Leyro Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:26:17 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32261 The title was supposed to be dripping in sarcasm. It was meant to set up the reader for my point that offensive stats tend to influence who wins awards that should not consider offensive numbers. I could have used Carlos Beltran and Johan Santana instead of Wright in the title since they were previous Gold Glove winners, but Beltran missed half the season and Santana isn't a hitter. I needed to use Wright to make my point since he played the whole season (minus two weeks). Zimmerman deserved the award but had Wright had another 30 HR, 100 RBI season, I wouldn't have been surprised if the voters would have given him the Gold Glove again. The title was supposed to be dripping in sarcasm. It was meant to set up the reader for my point that offensive stats tend to influence who wins awards that should not consider offensive numbers.

I could have used Carlos Beltran and Johan Santana instead of Wright in the title since they were previous Gold Glove winners, but Beltran missed half the season and Santana isn’t a hitter. I needed to use Wright to make my point since he played the whole season (minus two weeks).

Zimmerman deserved the award but had Wright had another 30 HR, 100 RBI season, I wouldn’t have been surprised if the voters would have given him the Gold Glove again.

]]> By: James K. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/11/no-gold-glove-for-wright-guess-he-didnt-hit-well-enough.html#comment-32260 James K. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:23:30 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15879#comment-32260 Good post except the points about Jeter - I'm not sure what his defensive performance in 2008 has to do with winning the 2009 GG Award. He was above average in 2009 and isn't an awful selection, although I certainly would've given it to someone else. Also, UZR on Metsmerized? Do my eyes deceive me? What's happening?!? Good post except the points about Jeter – I’m not sure what his defensive performance in 2008 has to do with winning the 2009 GG Award. He was above average in 2009 and isn’t an awful selection, although I certainly would’ve given it to someone else.

Also, UZR on Metsmerized? Do my eyes deceive me? What’s happening?!?

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