Comments on: Is Josh Thole the Mets Catching Savior?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:18:01 +0000

BRIAN, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISCONCEPTIONS I MAY HAVE ALLOWED. PERHAPS U’VE MISSED MY MANY ENTRIES URGING OWNERSHIP COMPARISONS TO FORMER STALWART CONTENDING FRANCHISES SUCH AS ATL, KC, CINCY, PIT. I’M ALSO THE FIRST TO POINT OUT TO MANY SUCH AS MASK & ACE WHO’VE ADVOCATED OWNERSHIP CHANGE, THAT THE MLB OWNERSHIP COMMITTEE MUST FIRST APPROVE ANY NEW OWNER AND THE LIKLIHOOD OF GETTING A MORE PROACTIVE MET OWNER IS VERY SLIM. THEY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE NO MOTIVATION TO INTRODUCE A MORE FREE-SPENDING AGGRESSIVE NYMET PRESENCE.

I DO CONTEND THAT MY SIMPLY POINTING OUT RESTICTIONS PLACED ON MNGT BY OWNERSHIP IS NOT NEGATIVITY; BUT RATHER INFORMATIVE. I AM CERTAINLY OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER VIVIDLY THE INEPTNESS OF LINDA DeROULET WHO WANTED TO USE AS FEW BASEBALLS AS POSSIBLE TO SAVE MONEY WHILE SHE BLAMED THE METS FOR RUINING HER CHILDHOOD & HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HER MOTHER(JOAN PAYSON)

By: Brian

Brian — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:04:53 +0000

METS62FAN, respectfully, if the anti-Wilpon sentimentalism that you write is optimism, I’d like to know what negativity is.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:02:03 +0000

BRIAN, YOUR POST RE. PUJOLS,PEAVEY, et AL NOT BEING TOP ROUNDERS WAS INTERESTING & ACCURATE; BUT MORE VALUABLE IF U ESTABLISHED HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PLAYERS WERE DRAFTED IN THE LATER ROUNDS DURING THE TIME SPAN IN QUESTION. 5 MISSED TOP PERFORMERS OUT OF SAY 2,000 ISN’T A LOT OF HOPE TO HANG YOUR SOCKS ON LET ALONE YOUR HAT! AND HERE I THOUGHT I WAS A BIG OPTIMIST! FOOLISH THOUGHT, IN COMPARISON TO U

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:25:49 +0000

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ALEX, I’M ASSUMING U REALIZE YOU’VE GOOFED LISTING NO CY YOUNG WINNERS DEVELOPED. DID U SLEEP THROUGH GOODEN & SEAVER? ROY? GOODEN, STRAW. METS, HISTORICALLY WENT PITCHING WITH KOOSMAN,MATLACK,SWAN, OROSCO, ALLAN, AGUILERRA MOST NOTABLE CONTRIBUTOR TYPES ALL SP TYPICALLY AMONGST HIGH K LEADERS/SEASON. BIG BOPPERS WERE NEVER A TOP PRIORITY THE FEELING THROUGHOUT ORG WAS PITCHING CAN BE DEALT FOR POWER/POSITIONAL TYPES. SEE ACQUISITIONS OF MEX,HOJO. 90% OF THE ‘86 ROTATION MADE MLB DEBUT WITH NYM, GOODEN,DARLING,FERNANDEZ,AGUILLERA.

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I’m Reading: about Putz, Bryce Harper & Shinjo — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:22:09 +0000

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By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:47 +0000

It is true that there is top talent that the Mets do not sign and other clubs, like NYY and Bos, do sign because the Mets have followed the commissioner’s “guidelines,” and they haven’t; but is that the reason why our top picks have sucked? Like our top top, first round picks stink, until Mr Ike Davis. And even if we are looking to not sign certain guys because of signability, there is often much better talent available that we just don’t sign. Instead we sign tall right handers who can throw hard and thats it, crafty righty and lefties that other teams were saving until much later, and weak but speedy corner outfielders and infielders. We drafted Jason Tyner one year!

By: Alex in CT

Alex in CT — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:22:16 +0000

I might add that the Yankees get a lot of flac on their spending, but remember that Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettite, Chamberlain, Hughes, Cano, Gardner, Cervetti, Coke all were homegorwn. Thats almost half their 25 man roster!

By: Alex in CT

Alex in CT — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:17:11 +0000

Wow Brian! I had no effing idea Pujols and Kinsler were drafted that low. That’s insane, but makes your point a solid one with regard to having a great scouting department.

The best example of just how futile this organization is can be seen in the fact that they’ve not produced one player in their system that ever won an MVP, CY Young, ERA crown, Homerun crown, or Batting crown in two decades. Not one. Every team in the majors except the Mets have produced at least one player that achieved that.

Mets prospects have amounted to nothing more than mediocrity since the mid eighties, and I read a few months ago in BA that 72% of Mets top ten prospects never make it to the majors or wind up with less than 3 years of major league service time. I dont know if that’s the worst in the game, but it’s pretty god awful if you ask me.

By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:03:29 +0000

What round was, say, Albert Pujols drafted? 13th
Jake Peavy? 15th
Ian Kinsler? 17th
Jason Bay? 22nd

And we all know Piazza was taken in the 62nd round (but more as a favor than for talent)

Those are just some gaudy examples of the fact that there really IS talent that can be found after the first round.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:31:00 +0000

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BRIAN, THAT’S ALL WELL & GOOD, U MAY BE RIGHT; BUT ARE WE PICKING/DRAFTING WHO WE DO BECAUSE OF OUR SCOUTS OR BASED ON PERCEIVED SIGNABILITY WITHIN SLOTTING GUIDELINES? IF IT’S SIGNABILITY, A SCOUTING STAGF FULL OF HOFers ISN’T CHANGING ANYTHING. OFTEN FIRST ROUND TALENTS FALL TO SUBSEQUENT ROUNDS DUE TO CASH BONUS DEMANDS FOR SIGNING. BOTH NYY & BOSOX HAVE AUGMENTED THEIR FARMS BY FOCUSING ON THAT CLASS OF DRAFT PICK CHOOSING TO PAY FIRST ROUND BONUS LEVELS TO FIRST ROUND TALENTS PICKED IN LATER ROUNDS. OMAR HAS BEEN ORDERED BY OWNERSHIP NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT GAME. IN ‘05, OMAR’S FIRST DRAFT, HIS QUOTES MADE IT APPARENT HE’D BEEN BLINDSIDED BY THAT APPROACH, WHEN LOCAL TABLOIDS QUOTED HIM AS “I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT; IT’S SOMETHING WE’LL HAVE TO REEVALUATE” OBVIOUSLY, OMAR WAS ‘READ IN’ SUBSEQUENTLY & NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THE COMMISSIONER’S GUIDELINES ARE STILL BEING IGNORED BY NYY & BOSOX AS THEY ARE OPTIONAL GUIDELINES NOT BINDING RULES. THE METS ARE STILL NOT CANDIDATES FOR FIRST ROUND TALENT DUE TO THIS RESTRICTION COUPLED WITH ‘TYPE A’ F/A SIGNINGS.