I think after the 2009 season you represent a part of the Mets fan base who blames everyone on the team for what went wrong, when really Wright had a bad year, but even if he had a good year it wouldn’t have made a difference

And Francesa isn’t any kind of baseball genius, so I really wouldn’t care what he thought of my opinion nor what the people who call into the FAN think. The idiots who call into the FAN are more of your type who moronically dismiss stats entirely.

A-Rod is a vastly better player than Jeter its not even remotely close. Fine I’ll give you a pass if you don’t want to say Wright is better or as good as Jeter, since he hasn’t been as good for as long, but to say Jeter is better than A-Rod is just flat out ridiculous.

You are probably one of those people who think David Eckstein is a superstar just cause he’s gritty and tries real hard.

That response is about as horrible as it gets. I’m going to give you a response with NO STATS.

All you did was look at what was on paper and come to your conclusions.
I could have said to somebody…. here are 2 pieces of paper with the statistics of each ballplayer. Now write me a term paper based on these stats.

That term paper would have looked like your response.

If you called WFAN and presented that argument you would be ripped to shreds. Francesa would give you the hand wave after your first couple of sentences.

Oh God, So Jeter only had a couple of great years. I guess getting HUGE hits in the biggest games during the biggest playoff games, in the biggest sports stage in the world doesn’t count, or even during the biggest regular season games. I guess making great defensive plays that make or break your teams pennant chances don’t count either? I guess having other players, including your boy A-Rod praise your glory and be humbled to be even on the same team as you doesn’t count either.

David Wright would need about 8 magical seasons and several world series wins to achieve something like that. Listen, David Wright was with good players in 2006-2008 and had a chance to contribute to his own destiny. He failed.

And this year David Wright has dogged it running out ground balls more than he ever did. That is something Jeter NEVER, EVER does in his entire career.

Hey, Wright still has a lot of years left and he can change things just like Alex Rodriguez did this post season. I would be as ignorant as you if i were to believe that Wright could not change. I’m not so sure about it because he’s too much of a numbers collector and a big softee to do it, but it is possible.

It’s not a Hate David Wright post but a lot of DW Cool Aid drinkers need to be reminded of his shortcomings.

But he’ll have his moments though.

But FWIW, I don’t know what he hit with RISP in difference situations, but he did hit .313 overall in ABs where the game was tied.

Wright had an off year, and the Mets do need him to be better next yr, but he wasn’t as bad as the panickers make it seem.

Secondly, regular stats are much more based on team performance. The newer stats are a much better measure for performance. People who dismiss stats are morons. Stats are the truth, whatever opinions people form about players who look the best are just that, opinions. So I’ll take a player like Dunn on my team any day, I’ll take “unclutch” and “ungrity” A-Rod over Jeter 1000 times out of 1000.

As for Wright and Jeter, even using “regular stats” even in an off year Wright compares well to a typical season of Jeter. Wright in a good year is the much more productive player since Jeter typically doesn’t have as much power. So even comparing Wright’s off year to a typical season of Jeter, they are rather similar. Jeter’s career average is a bit higher than what Wright hit this yr, Wright’s OBP this yr was a bit higher than Jeter’s career, but neither difference was that huge. And as far as the power numbers go Jeter’s season average is about 16 HR, 31 2b, and 76 RBI a year.

Most of what has made Jeter great is that he’s been a good player for a long time. He’s going to get 3000 hits b/c he’s had a long career, and been good for the duration of it. He’s been good for a long time, but he’s really only had a couple of “great” years in his career.

For one thing, the new stats are not bulletproof. OPS commits statistical heresy of adding unlike averages. Not to mention that slugging percentage is founded on the misguided assumption that a HR is exactly twice as valuable as a double, which is patently false.

Regarding Wright:
- I think Wright himself would say he had a bad year. So is a MLB player wrong in evaluating his own performance?

- I think Wright has been hyped to be one of the best players in MLB, and that’s what Met fans are expecting. So even if he performs “very good”, people aren’t going to be happy.

- I don’t think 3B is that crucial of a defensive position, compared to SS, 2B, CF, and even C. (And Wright’s defense wasn’t good this year.)

- Talking about performing “in the clutch”, I know that is definitely overblown, but given that all humans can be shown to performly different under pressure, and MLB players are human beings, I’m not sure how anyone can say that pressure has zero effect on all MLB players. There were definitely at bats last year where Wright looked very uncomfortable at the plate. I have no stats to back that up.

- I consider watching a player fail in key spots to be like getting a bad meal at a good restaurant. If you go to a nice restaurant with great food, loved by most people, and you get bad oysters and spend all night throwing up, you’re not going to want to go back there. Other people will say you’re crazy, statistically speaking the odds of getting bad oysters there are say 1 in 10,000. Nonetheless, when you’re deciding where to go for dinner, you’ll have a visceral reaction to going back to that restaurant. I think sports are the same way. Although numbers may more accurately reflect things, people are fanatical about sports because they promote visceral reactions. So I think it gets old for stat people to go off on how stupid everyone else for not loving players based only on stats.

That ridiculous comparison only proves my point that those new fancy stats mean NOTHING. They tell you nothing about content, nothing about the substance of a ballplayer.

You can numerize anything you do in life, proves nothing.

They’re good for negotiating with agents according to Bob Costas and I agree with him. The normal regular stats are pretty much all you need.

Going forward, the Mets will need Wright’s power to return…they aren’t going to win with him being the productive player he’s been the 4 yrs prior. So I do understand the concern about it in that respect, but people blaming him for the Mets season this yr and acting like he “let the team down” or whatnot, need to realize that with as awful as the Mets team were this yr, Wright coulda hit 40 HR and the Mets still wouldn’t have sniffed the postseason.