On Friday, veteran sports writer Marty Noble wrote a great column which was featured on mets.com. Noble reveals some of the buzz surrounding the Mets front office, including some potential strategies and even some of the specific players that they may be targeting this offseason.
The Mets have not said publicly which players most interest them, but people within the organization who are familiar with the club’s thinking have mentioned Holliday, Bay, Lackey, Marquis, Wolf, Cameron, Hudson, Glaus and two catchers who are eligible to file — Bengie Molina and Rod Barajas.
Most of those players have already been bandied about the Mets blogosphere including here at MMO, but this is the first time that I’ve read something other than a bloggers speculation on first baseman Troy Glaus and Mike Cameron.
I believe that signing either of those players would accomplish very little and would tell me that the Omar Minaya has learned little from the mistakes of the last three years. Both of them have to be considered major injury risks at this point in their careers. Additionally, if Glaus is even in the mix at first base, I’d much rather have Carlos Delgado back with an incentive laden deal.
The following is a list of a few more detailed moves that a team source has revealed to Noble.
The Mets’ needs are so many that they cannot establish one course of action. Signing one or two of the primary free agents would make a difference. But if that can’t be accomplished, what then? Some possibilities the Mets have discussed follow:
• Pursue Cameron to play left field, thereby improving the outfield defense and adding some power. That would reduce Angel Pagan to a reserve role, which is what the club prefers. Chances are the Mets would want Cameron for one season, affording more time for Fernando Martinez to develop.
• Include Luis Castillo in a trade package and hope to fill a need with what they receive in return and then sign Hudson to play second base. The Mets believe that Castillo’s renaissance season and, in particular, his on-base average, .387, have made him attractive to other clubs. Hudson, who lost his second-base job with the Dodgers, is not likely to be pursued by too many clubs.
• Sign Glaus, a right-handed power hitter, to a conditional contract and have him available to share first base with Murphy and provide power off the bench. That would all but eliminate Delgado from the Mets’ thoughts. But for now, the club is considering offering Delgado a conditional contract.
• Sign Wolf and package a starter on the Mets’ roster — not Johan Santana, of course — to acquire a No. 2 starter or a slugging outfielder.
It gets a little bit more interesting here, especially where he writes about trading a current Mets starter to acquire a number 2 starter. Does this imply a potential trade of Mike Pelfrey? Obviously, John Maine and Jon Niese have to first prove that they are healthy before having any significant trade value, and Oliver Perez may be the only pitcher in the game whose addition would actually be a subtraction or have a negative impact on a team. The only viable Mets starter who has any value, although it isn’t much, is Mike Pelfrey, whose promise and potential outweighs his actual performance in the majors last season.
With regard to trading Luis Castillo, I’m not so sure that ditching him and replacing him with Orlando Hudson is such a great idea. Don’t get me wrong, I love the O-Dog, but Castillo had a better average and on-base percentage, and if you’re making the move to add more power, Hudson only hit nine homers last season and just two in the second half. I’m not as down on Castillo as I was a year ago.
It’s so hard to try and figure out a solid game plan for this team right now. They have too many areas of concern, questions about cash flow still exist, and it seems that they would need to make at least a half dozen impact moves to put them back on track. I don’t see an easy way out of this mess, and what worries me most is that the architect of this mess is the one being counted on to fix it. I thought that one of our goals was to get younger, but if we’re looking at players such as Hudson, Glaus and Cameron to fill vital roles on the team, I’m not sure that Omar Minaya got that memo.
Anyway, what are some of your thoughts regarding this glimpse into the Mets thinking as we dive into the hot stove season?








Leaving out my heretical desire to trade Beltran for Buchholz and/or BOSOX prospects, we must sign Lackey above any other FA pitcher, then trade for Doc Haliday, then sign Holliday, then a RH-hitting 1B with some ‘pop and ‘D’ to support Murhpy, maybe DeRosa; i’m open to other thoughts here.
But, i doubt the Mets would do the ‘ideal’..like get Conor Jackson or LaRoche…as they’d view that to be ‘too much’.
i’d prefer a whole new option at 1B and package Murphy in a trade for Doc H, but some Met fans (and the Met Front Office) detest that idea.
i think, the team’s ‘chemistry’ as well as its competence must change…or October will just be the beginning of cold months for years to come for Met Fans.
i just had another thought i expect to be berated for: i think the Mets need both Lackey and Haliday. If, however, they fail to get one or both of them (would be another sad day in Met-Dom) then sign either (brace for this…get ready): Carl Pavano and/or Marquis.
i know, i can’t believe i’m saying it, but better that as Option B’s than to go into the season with the present rotation ‘intact’.
Okay, berate me….
No berating here. I’m the fool that suggested more silly things than that. The Mets won’t do both. I prefer to sign Lackey because I don’t trust Halladay’s heart. I also like trading with the D-Backs to get Haren and Snyder. I hope I’m wrong, but it seems like the Mets won’t do ANYTHING of note. Omar’s just playing out the string…
DEEB, I DISAGREE ON STRING; PERHAPS, AS REPORTED MOST PLACES, OMAR HAS THIS ONE SHOT “TO SEAL HIS ORIG DEAL” IF TRUE, I EXPECT BALLS TO THE WALL SHOT ALLOWED BY FREDDY, HIS PATRON.
U MAY BE RIGHT ON SNYDER TARGET; BUT WITH RUMORS OF THE 3 WAY ACQUIRING OVERBAY WHILE NYM SHED CASTILLO TO CUBS & TALKING GONZALES WITH SD REUBITING OVERBAY WITH SNAKES AS D’BACKS HAD PLANNED WITH OVERBAY-SNYDER DEAL W/TORONTO ORIG. I STILL PREFER FIELDER’S GUARANTEED POWER FOR CITI; BUT A-GON ISN’T BOLOGNA AS AN ALTERNATIVE, ADDED TO O’DAWG IT MAY EVEN OUT OFFENSIVLY WHILE BEING SUPERIOR DEFENSIVLY. BUCKLE YOUR SEATBELTS. OMAR ALWAYS HJAS HAD UNDER-THE-RADAR DEALS LINE UP. GM MEETINGS TYPICALLY PRELUDE TO WINTER MEETING DEALS. I EXPECT LITTLE OUT OF CHICAGO WITH REAL MOVES IN DECEMBER. MY BIRTHDAY IS 12/10 & I OFTEN HAVE EXPERIENCED WONDERFUL PRESENTS FROM OUR NYM. THIS YRS MEETING ENDS ON 12/09. JUST PERFECT! LMAO & BUCKLE-UP FOR SAFETY. IF IT WERE ME, I’D LOOK TO MAKE MY FIRING AS DIFFICULT AS ANY BY BEING SUCCESSFUL, TAKING FEW LONG RANGE GAMBLES & GOING FOR MULTIPLE OFFENSIVE POTENTIAL THREATS.
EVERYONE KNOWS HOW FRED LOATHES EATING CONTRACTS ON FRONT OFFICE,MNGS,PLAYERS AS HE HATES TO PAY ANYONE FOR NON-CONTRIBUTIONS. WHAT BETTER WAY TO KEEP YOURSELF EMPLOYED THROUGH THE ENTUIRE EXTENSION?
Can you explain to me how Mike Cameron is an injury risk but 35 year old catcher Bengie Molina isn’t?
The Bengie Molina talk needs to end ASAP.
The conversation should be about upgrading. Bengie Molina (.265 20 80) is an obvious upgrade over Omir Santos (.260 7 40) ESPECIALLY defensively where Molina blows him away. They both are free swingers with bad discipline, but with Molina the pitching staff will get a savvy receiver who calls a great game and is an old school catcher who blocks the plate well.
Also, Mike Cameron (.250/.342/.795) IS NOT an upgrade over Angel Pagan (.281/.331/.837), Cameron may be better defensively but his CF tendencies led to a disastrous injury when he collided with Beltran. Cameron has never started another game in LF or RF ever since that day, and has often made it well known he will only play CF, so discussing him is really a mute point unless the Mets have secret plans to trade Carlos Beltran. We dont need another experiment with Cameron playing out of position.
As for injury risks, Cameron will be 37 opening day, but Molina isn’t a spring chicken either at 35. Any player over 35 is deemed to be an injury risk according to conventional wisdom. For a good example of that theory at work, one only has to look at the 2007-2009 Mets rosters.
You’re ignoring two things. First, Pagan’s numbers are from a small sample size. And second Bengie Molina really really sucks. We already have Francoeur, do we really need another sub .300 OBP guy in the lineup. Mets would be best off signing Holliday, putting Pagan in right, and non tender Francoeur or sell high on him. I’ll take Zaun, Hernandez, Navarro, Snyder or Blanco to catch, and Johnson on a one year deal to play first if he’ll accept.
CAmeron and Delgado? Smells like Omar crossing his fingers again. CAmeron is a ZERO. Bringing back former failures reeks! Bring in new failures.
We all know that the mets support players are trash. The bigger problem is that their core players have also become question marks. Not just Wright Beltran and Stupid, include Santana. He may come back and pitch like a 2 or 3, Who can say? Frankie R. also raises big ????????. getting a Halladay would be huge. I am not so hot for Holliday. And frankly, offensively, Hudson might be a step down from Castillo. But i like defense at second, if Utley is not available. FAct is, they cannot ifx it all, and they have idiots making the call.
Can you elaborate on why you nicknamed Jose Reyes, I assume it’s him, “Stupid.” I love hearing these things, they’re very entertaining.
It is really quite simple. He is one of the dumbest players in the league. Apologize for my political incorrectness.
Can you provide evidence that “he is one of the dumbest layers in the league.” I watch him on a regular basis and have reached no such conclusion.
JDON? IS THAT THE RESULT OF SOME SCIENTIFIC STUDY? LMAO…WERE U NOT WATCHING LAST SEASON “A SEASON WITHOUT JOSE”. COMMENTARY LIKE YOURS DOES NOT ADVANCE THE ARGUMENTS SURROUNDING TEAM IMPROVMENT ALL THE CLOWNS CALLING JOSE OUT RARELY SPECIFY A REPLACEMENT BETTER SUITED FOR THIS TEAM IN THIS CITY. WHILE IT’S FASHIONABLE FOR OTHER TEAMS’ COWARDS TO CLAIM “JOSE’S ANTICS BOTHER THEM”, I BELIEVE IF TRUTH WERE TOLD, THEY’RE REALLY SAYING THEY RESENT JOSE’S SALARY & JOSE’S ATTENTION HIGHLIGHTRD BY JOSE,JOSE,JOSE + THE PROFESSOR REYES’ SLOTS ALL AMOUNT TO ATTENTION & REMUNERATION THE LIKES OF J-ROLL & RAMIREZ ARE JEALOUS OF AS THEY BOTH LIKELY VIEW THEMSELVES AS BETTER PLAYERS GETTING LESS ATTENTION AND/OR LESS MONEY. TOO BAD FANS AREN’T ASTUTE ENOUGH TO REALIZE. 2010 SALARIES:
J-ROLL – 7.5M
RAMIREZ – 7.0M
REYES – 9.0M
PERSONALLY I DOUBT VERY MUCH EITHER ROLLINS OR RAMIREZ HAVE THE TEMPERMENT TO SURVIVE NY ATMOSPHERE OF NEGATIVITY AT SLIGHTEST BUMP HECK WHENEVER RAMIREZ PLAYS US, IT’S OBVIOUS HE’S HELLBENT ON A MISSION TO OUT-PRODUCE JOSE. WHILE HIS GLOVE IS CERTAINLY MORE SUSPECT, HIS BAT MORE POWERFUL, HIS LEGS & SPARK AREN’T SUPERIOR. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL(5) TOP SS ON BOTH SIDES OF PLAY & REYES IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM & WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER. VERY UNLIKELY. FOR ALL THE CLAMORING ON THIS SITE FOR HOMEGROWN TALENT, ONE WOULD THINK A TAD MORE UNDERSTANDING & PATIENCE WOULD BE SHOWN FOR “ONE OF OUR OWN”. ESP ONE WHO’S + FAR OUTWEIGH HIS -. PERHAPS IF CASTILLO IS DEALT THE METS CAN FINALLY GET AWAY FROM WASTING OUTS ADVANCING JOSE & REALLY PUT A BAT TO FLOURISH ON THE FASTBALLS HE CREATES FOR THE #2 HITTER(BELTRAN?)
Please tell me how Cameron is such a big improvement over Pagan? Cameron has a little big more power but for the cost, I would save the money and play Pagan.
In limited duty, Pagan had 11 triples and played stellar defense and since we’re talking about a bridge to Martinez, why not save the money and spend it where is needed, pitching.
The same can be said if Ike Davis proves that he is for real. I would just sign Delgado to an incentive ladden contract and hope that Davis can take over in 2011. Again, save the money and use it for pitching, draft pick. Sign someone like Chapman.
I saw your comment after I replied to another. I absolutely agree about Pagan. Angel Pagan is the prototype for a skillset that was made for the dimensions of CitiField. However, I’ll agree to disagree on Chapman who is reportedly 2-3 years away from being major league ready. $60 mil for a player who will spend most of his first 4 years in the minors is a bit outlandish.
Joe, I agree with most of your concerns about the Noble piece, but I think you’re way off on Castillo. The Mets may never get another opportunity to sell high on him, so they should do it now. Whereas before it would have been a salary dump, Castillo would now actually net the Mets a solid return. We can use him to upgrade at first base or get a solid setup man for the bullpen. We can then sign O-Dog to a similar one year deal he had with the Dodgers.
Orlando Hudson lost his playing time to that waste of roster space, Rafael Belliard. Would he really be much of an upgrade over Castillo?
Geez people wake up!
If you’re gonna make a move than make it count and get Placido Polanco who is a far better glove and would be a great #2 hitter on this team.
Look at the UZR/150
Hudson 2008 (-7.6) – 2009 (-3.7) Worse than Luis Castillo!
Polanco 2008 (3.5) – 2009 (11.0)
I like Polanco over Hudson too. But is he a FA?
Going based on the Marty Nobile article on Mets.com, I think will be hard to have a big FA power hitter sign here based on the citifield dimensions, so I’ll try a few ideas based on Noble’s article:
1. I know 3 way deals are hard to so but how about Luis Castillo to the Dodgers who need a 2b, OF Juan Pierre and SP Oliver Perez to the Cubs and OF Alfonzo Soriano to the Mets? Pierre had a good year this past year and had some good years with the Cubs when he was there the first time, i am sure they would have interest, the Perez part of it is, they get out of Soriano’s big deal they get pitching insurance in their rotation with Ted Lilly injured and Rich Harden upcoming departure. From a Mets standpoint, u get the OF and some power u need and no payroll changes in this trade, doesn’t go up or down.
2. Sign Orlando Hudson to a 2 yr deal for about 4 or 5 mil per, better defense, 290 to 300 hitter, switch hitter, replaces Castillo.
3. Sign Troy Glaus as the right-handed compliment to Murphy at 1b-1 year 1 million, if u want u could even have the 1b job be a open competition.
4. Sign Bengie Molina to C-2 yrs 11 mil deal(5.5m per)
5. Sign Joe Biemel to be the 2nd lefty out of the pen. 1 year 2 million
6. Sign Randy Wolf, no I do not think he is #2 starter we need, however he did have a better year then Lackey and an obvious upgrade over Oliver Perez. 3 yrs 24-27 million(8 or 9 mil per)
7. Trade Mike Pelfrey, Fernando Martinez, Jerry Mejjia, Wilmer Flores for Roy Halliday, sign Halliday to Santana like extension 6 yrs 137 mil, he will make 15.75 million this year.
So when u look at ur team u see:
C-Molina
1b-Murphy/Glaus-whomever wins the job.
2b-Hudson
SS-Reyes
3b-Wright
LF-Soriano
CF-Beltran
RF-Franceour
Rotation
Santana
Halliday
Wolf
Maine
Neise
Bullpen
K-rod
Parnell
Stokes
Felicano
B
sorry clicked on the button by accident
Biemel and Figeroura would be the other guys in the pen.
Bench-
Glaus/murphy-whomever loses 1b competition
Pagan
Hernandez
Santos
Sullivan
I think there is 3 differnet ways to go. 1 the Mets could just sign free-agents,not making any trades.I like this idea.Go hard after 3 players at 3 positions.Holliday-Bay inLeft.Barajas-Molina behind the plate.Lackey-Marquis. #2 sign free-agents and make trades.Trade for Crawford or Upton,or pitching trade for Halladay or Felix Hernandez.Then sign multiple position guys,i.e Figgins or DeRosa. #3 which i dont believe they have the Balls to do in New York.Rebuild let the young guys play.Let Thole platoon with Santos,give Fmart left field,Have a rotation of Santana-Pelfrey-Niese-Maine-Stoner.
Carlos Delgado is an asset with a declining value, both on the field and in the marketplace. Bringing Carlos back with an incentive laden deal is the Mets only approach unless it’s felt his major league career is on life support.
Many Mets fans attach a premium to Carlos’ services. I’m not one of them. He is a liability in the field with his limited range and lack of upper body flexibiliy. His hands are not soft. Occasionally he crushes a pitch but his hitting is problematic against left handed pitchers who can control even a middling slider. His batting problems involve the many moving parts he needs to synchronize, day in and day out. Too many aspects of his hitting are not dependable. Hot streaks come and go, but bad techniques always cause problems over the course of a season.
I do not consider Marquis a 2. I actually think Crazy Pelf could be better. I am not against getting Marquis for a 4. Like Hudson, his star faded late in the season. mets do not need late faders, if you know what I mean, not as their number 2. As for the use of the word “Plan” in the topic: you have to be kidding. Somewhere in the mets’ offices there is a bulletin board with the pictures of FAs splattered all over it. On a nearby table is a package of darts. Welcome to the Omar Minaya War Room. Plan A–first three darts; plan B–first two darts.
CAPSLOCK=DISABILITY ACCOMODATION
OTHER THAN THE IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE SANTANA DEAL, I TAKE SOLACE IN OMAR’S APPARENT STEALTHINESS. WHHILE THERE WAS NEVER MUCH LEAKING RE. THE DEALS FOR CHURCH/SCHNEIDER, FRANCOUER, NADY, JULIO/MAINE, HERNANDEZ/PEREZ AND PLENTY OF SO-CALLED INSIDER BUZZ FLAPPING ABOUT ACQUISITION/INTEREST IN SOSA,MANNY,et al.
I TAKE GREAT COMFORT IS NO MENTIONS OF FIELDER OR CRAWFORD AND THE FACT THAT DOUG MELVIN IN HIS PRESSER ANNOUNCING PLANS TO ACQUIRE 2 ESTABLISHED ARMS FOR THE ROTATION & WHEN ASKED WHAT HE HAD TO DEAL, HIS REPLY OF, “JJ HARDY BEING HIS MOST DESIRABLE TRADE ASSET TO BRING BACK SPing, WELL HE’S DEALT HARDY FOR GOMEZ & ZERO PITCHING. WONDER WHERE THOSE 2 SP ARE COMING FROM? THEY TYPICALLY DON’T DO F/ACY DEALS MUCH. OH, TO DREAM!