Comments on: The Worst Decade In History Comes To An End http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:16:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tamahome Jenkins http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29736 Tamahome Jenkins Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:28:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29736 I was only 5 years old when the Mets won the 86 World Series, so it all kind of sucks to me ;) I was only 5 years old when the Mets won the 86 World Series, so it all kind of sucks to me ;)

]]> By: Gil Reich http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29731 Gil Reich Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:47:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29731 Actually, there's a whole slew of players who played in 4 decades. Full list here http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Four-Decade_Players including Rickey Henderson, Jesse Orosco, Tim McCarver, Carlton Fisk, and Nolan Ryan. There are even 2 guys that played in 5 decades. Actually, there’s a whole slew of players who played in 4 decades. Full list here http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Four-Decade_Players including Rickey Henderson, Jesse Orosco, Tim McCarver, Carlton Fisk, and Nolan Ryan. There are even 2 guys that played in 5 decades.

]]> By: Rick J http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29701 Rick J Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:31:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29701 You're right. The last day of the current decade ends Dec 31, 2010. (I thought Ted WIlliams played from 1939-1960). You’re right. The last day of the current decade ends Dec 31, 2010. (I thought Ted WIlliams played from 1939-1960).

]]> By: kevin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29654 kevin Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:15:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29654 You could actually do it either way. For example if your were to look up lists of the top eighties albums, it wouldn't include anything from 1990. MTV and VH1 do those retrospectives all the time. Also there is a baseball trivia question about who is the only player that played in four different decades. The answer is Bill Buckner 1969-1990. You could actually do it either way. For example if your were to look up lists of the top eighties albums, it wouldn’t include anything from 1990. MTV and VH1 do those retrospectives all the time. Also there is a baseball trivia question about who is the only player that played in four different decades. The answer is Bill Buckner 1969-1990.

]]> By: Gil Reich http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29651 Gil Reich Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:07:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29651 Well, we agree on almost everything ... except that I'm happier with the disappointments of this decade than with the hopelessness of 77-82. And I guess I'm more optimistic than others about the Mets' next few years. I think they'll be brighter than fans are expecting. Well, we agree on almost everything … except that I’m happier with the disappointments of this decade than with the hopelessness of 77-82. And I guess I’m more optimistic than others about the Mets’ next few years. I think they’ll be brighter than fans are expecting.

]]> By: The Coop http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29637 The Coop Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:37:30 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29637 Also to be kind of on the anal side, decades technically don't start till the year after the - so 62-70, 71-80, 81-90, 91-00, 01-10. So we have another year for a full analysis of the decade. Also to be kind of on the anal side, decades technically don’t start till the year after the – so 62-70, 71-80, 81-90, 91-00, 01-10. So we have another year for a full analysis of the decade.

]]> By: Kay http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29632 Kay Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:19:17 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29632 Your memory is a little different then mine. The early 70's were good, but even in 73 the first 3/4 of the season was awful until "Ya Gotta Believe" was born. Then from 75 on - I don't remember too much heart at all. I saw more moments of heart this year (moments - lets be clear I'm not saying throughout the whole year). We must face it, that the injuries killed the team this year both physically and eventually mentally. We can talk blue in the face about Omar and how "bad" he is, but no GM in any sports arena would have overcame all that. Your memory is a little different then mine. The early 70′s were good, but even in 73 the first 3/4 of the season was awful until “Ya Gotta Believe” was born. Then from 75 on – I don’t remember too much heart at all. I saw more moments of heart this year (moments – lets be clear I’m not saying throughout the whole year).

We must face it, that the injuries killed the team this year both physically and eventually mentally. We can talk blue in the face about Omar and how “bad” he is, but no GM in any sports arena would have overcame all that.

]]> By: Hoov http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29629 Hoov Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:43:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29629 I think "disapointing" is far more fair than "worst". Obviously the 60's despite 1969 had to be the "worst" since they only landed over .500 once (1969)..the problem with the 70's and the 90's is there WERE expectations that they would build upon the success of the latter part of the previous decade. 1969, 1986 appear to be mostly oddities, despite playoffs in both cases a few years later. To me, the 90's were by far "worse" as the 1986 team never became the dynasty it was supposed to be. And then you had the ventures into big name free agency that didnt pan out, and homegrown (albeit flawed) talent like Gooden and Strawberry walking. The first real taste of success the Mets had in the 90's was May 22nd 1998 when the Piazza trade occured. And the reality is, if the Marlins don't dismantle their 1997 Championship team in a truly "bad for baseball" kinda way, there is no way we compete in 99 or 00. (We don't get Leiter or Cook, and Sheffield,Johnson and Bonilla wouldnt be traded for Piazza and Zeile.....with Mike obviously spun off to the Mets....who knows where those two wind up as a result). Yes, the 00's had a lot of promise...starting off in 2000 with a World Series run, with arguably a weaker team than the team that had not made it the year before. To a decade where they were certainly more competitive for more years than in any other decade (6 years over .500 in the 70's means nothing to me, since 4 of those years were 3 games or less over .500 and all at the beginning of the decade (except for the fluky 1976). Lets look at the Mets W/L by decade... 60s:494-799 70's:763-850 80s:816-743 90s:761-786 00s:815-804 Only 2 decades over .500 and coincidentally the only 2 decades with multiple playoff appearances. OK, probably not coincidence. But this should be at least the basis for proof that the 00's were NOT the worst decade. Heck they had one less win than the 80's Mets. Most disapointing? Perhaps. Most frustrating? very possibly. But worst overall? No. i cant say i think so. Either way though, glad it's over....let's all move on :) I think “disapointing” is far more fair than “worst”. Obviously the 60′s despite 1969 had to be the “worst” since they only landed over .500 once (1969)..the problem with the 70′s and the 90′s is there WERE expectations that they would build upon the success of the latter part of the previous decade. 1969, 1986 appear to be mostly oddities, despite playoffs in both cases a few years later. To me, the 90′s were by far “worse” as the 1986 team never became the dynasty it was supposed to be. And then you had the ventures into big name free agency that didnt pan out, and homegrown (albeit flawed) talent like Gooden and Strawberry walking. The first real taste of success the Mets had in the 90′s was May 22nd 1998 when the Piazza trade occured. And the reality is, if the Marlins don’t dismantle their 1997 Championship team in a truly “bad for baseball” kinda way, there is no way we compete in 99 or 00. (We don’t get Leiter or Cook, and Sheffield,Johnson and Bonilla wouldnt be traded for Piazza and Zeile…..with Mike obviously spun off to the Mets….who knows where those two wind up as a result).

Yes, the 00′s had a lot of promise…starting off in 2000 with a World Series run, with arguably a weaker team than the team that had not made it the year before. To a decade where they were certainly more competitive for more years than in any other decade (6 years over .500 in the 70′s means nothing to me, since 4 of those years were 3 games or less over .500 and all at the beginning of the decade (except for the fluky 1976). Lets look at the Mets W/L by decade…

60s:494-799
70′s:763-850
80s:816-743
90s:761-786
00s:815-804

Only 2 decades over .500 and coincidentally the only 2 decades with multiple playoff appearances. OK, probably not coincidence. But this should be at least the basis for proof that the 00′s were NOT the worst decade. Heck they had one less win than the 80′s Mets. Most disapointing? Perhaps. Most frustrating? very possibly. But worst overall? No. i cant say i think so. Either way though, glad it’s over….let’s all move on :)

]]> By: I’m Reading: about 10 Moments, Bay, Decade and Toasts http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29627 I’m Reading: about 10 Moments, Bay, Decade and Toasts Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:15:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29627 [...] to Mets Merized Online, this was the Worst Decade in Mets [...] [...] to Mets Merized Online, this was the Worst Decade in Mets [...]

]]> By: fredisright http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29626 fredisright Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:14:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29626 Hmm, It means nothing a year or decade who cares, because "wait till next year" like a Brooklyn fan would say is all that matters. And by the way the pitching in Sept. was pretty good, to bad the hitters could not do it when they had men in scoring position. And can any one out there say that the 4 starters Redding, Fig, Misch, Maine should not be coming to ST next year? They all did very good jobs in Sept. Hmm, It means nothing a year or decade who cares, because “wait till next year” like a Brooklyn fan would say is all that matters.

And by the way the pitching in Sept. was pretty good, to bad the hitters could not do it when they had men in scoring position.

And can any one out there say that the 4 starters Redding, Fig, Misch, Maine should not be coming to ST next year?

They all did very good jobs in Sept.

]]> By: Shamsky http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29617 Shamsky Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:56:37 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29617 Right on Kay and Devin. Money is a poor substitute for heart and grit. Those seventies teams were a joy to watch and they had plenty of fight in them. Even those bad eighties years were fun to watch. They played their hearts out despite being overmatched. Right on Kay and Devin. Money is a poor substitute for heart and grit. Those seventies teams were a joy to watch and they had plenty of fight in them. Even those bad eighties years were fun to watch. They played their hearts out despite being overmatched.

]]> By: Kay http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29614 Kay Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:47:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29614 and to this very day people still don't get it.........MONEY does not buy championships.......... and to this very day people still don’t get it………MONEY does not buy championships……….

]]> By: Tie Dyed http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29605 Tie Dyed Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:10:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29605 Yes, Gil--I was there in the 70's and remember it all too well. I remember how they didnt even open the top level at Shea cause of low attendance and how the ushers seemingly outnumbered the fans. I believe it was 79 when Torre sat Mazzilli the final day of the year. I also remember Mets management moving Mazzilli to 1b. Why? So they could sell more tickets by having the female fans see him better then in Center Field. But from 77-83, NOTHING was expected from the Mets--and that's exactly what was delivered: Nothing. This decade was filled with promise and hope, unlike the 70s. I just feel that never before have the expectations been so high on Opening Day and the end results been so disappointing 162 games later. During the 70's, as a whole, we finished over 500 6 times. (same as this decade) but this decade the expectations were much higher then they were back then. Back then, I think, we did MORE with LESS, as opposed to now where we have MORE and have done very little. Yes, Gil–I was there in the 70′s and remember it all too well. I remember how they didnt even open the top level at Shea cause of low attendance and how the ushers seemingly outnumbered the fans. I believe it was 79 when Torre sat Mazzilli the final day of the year.
I also remember Mets management moving Mazzilli to 1b. Why? So they could sell more tickets by having the female fans see him better then in Center Field.

But from 77-83, NOTHING was expected from the Mets–and that’s exactly what was delivered: Nothing. This decade was filled with promise and hope, unlike the 70s. I just feel that never before have the expectations been so high on Opening Day and the end results been so disappointing 162 games later.

During the 70′s, as a whole, we finished over 500 6 times. (same as this decade) but this decade the expectations were much higher then they were back then. Back then, I think, we did MORE with LESS, as opposed to now where we have MORE and have done very little.

]]> By: Devin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29603 Devin Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:38:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29603 I believe this is the worst decade because the Mets spent more money than any other team in the NL and expectations were high. In the 70's we got very lucky in 1973, but lets not forget we were all the way at the bottom in payroll that decade. Nobody ever mistook any of the seventies teams as a playoff contender except maybe in 1970 after the Miracle Mets. In the 2000's every year was going to be "the team, the time" with the feeling that "our season has come." The trials and tribulations of the 2000's pale in comparison to the 70's and maybe even the 90's as well. I believe this is the worst decade because the Mets spent more money than any other team in the NL and expectations were high. In the 70′s we got very lucky in 1973, but lets not forget we were all the way at the bottom in payroll that decade. Nobody ever mistook any of the seventies teams as a playoff contender except maybe in 1970 after the Miracle Mets. In the 2000′s every year was going to be “the team, the time” with the feeling that “our season has come.” The trials and tribulations of the 2000′s pale in comparison to the 70′s and maybe even the 90′s as well.

]]> By: Gil Reich http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/the-worst-decade-in-history-comes-to-an-end.html#comment-29602 Gil Reich Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:25:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14083#comment-29602 Sorry .. don't know where (or if) you were in the 70s, but I think you're applying very different standards to these decades. Maybe I was more optimistic in '79 because I was 9, but the team and organization were both much, much worse than they are today, and things wouldn't even start to turn around till 83. To this day my father keeps reminding me of when the Mets sat Lee Mazzilli on the last day of the season to protect his .250 average. The 90s may hurt more because of what should have been. But the worst thing I've been saying of 2009 is that it reminds me of the late 70s. The 62 Mets are the gold standard for cute ineptitude. The late 70s remain the gold standard for pathetic unwatchableness, not really approached again until this year. Sorry .. don’t know where (or if) you were in the 70s, but I think you’re applying very different standards to these decades. Maybe I was more optimistic in ’79 because I was 9, but the team and organization were both much, much worse than they are today, and things wouldn’t even start to turn around till 83. To this day my father keeps reminding me of when the Mets sat Lee Mazzilli on the last day of the season to protect his .250 average. The 90s may hurt more because of what should have been. But the worst thing I’ve been saying of 2009 is that it reminds me of the late 70s. The 62 Mets are the gold standard for cute ineptitude. The late 70s remain the gold standard for pathetic unwatchableness, not really approached again until this year.

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