Comments on: Should Mets Get Into A Bidding War On Lackey? http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html A New York Mets Blog For Diehard Mets Fans Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:02:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30260 METS62FAN Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:53:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30260 MASK, LIKE SANTANA WITH HALLADAY'S NO TRADE, HE'S LIKELY TO DEMAND HIGH PRICED LONG EXTENSION + IT COSTS THE REMAINING CREAM OF OUR YOUTH. IN MY OPINION, BEST AVAILABLES ARE FIELDER & CRAWFORD & BOTH ARE TRADE ACQUISITIONS, UNLIKELY WE'VE THE CURRENCY FOR 3 DEALS. HALLADAY IS CERTAINLY BEST AVAILABLE SP; BUT IS THAT WHAT'S NECESSARY? I THINK OUR TRADE CHIPS ARE BEST USED FOR THAT WHICH IS UNAVAILABLE IN F/A MKT POWER 1B & EXCELLENT DEFENSIVE LFer. BELTRAN'S KNEES WON'T TAKE ANOTHER YR OF ROAMING LINE-2-LINE IN CITI. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A #2 A 1-A IS OVERKILL LEAVING BIG OFFENSIVE OR DEFENSIVE CHASM. THINK ABOUT IT. IF THEY GO FOR LACKEY, IN THIS DOWN MKT SANS NYY OR BOSOX A 4/60 MAY BE ALL THAT'S NEEDED & FIELDER & CRAWFORD ARE RELATIVELY CHEAP AVAILABLES(APPROX 10M PER ON EACH). JUST LIKE THE K-ROD MKT NEVER COALLESCED AS PREDICTED I THINK LACKEY'S MKT IS SIMILAR. TYPICAL BIG GUNS OF NYY,BOSOX,LAA,LAD NOT LIKELY PLAYING IN SP STRATOSPHERE WITH HALLADY A FUTURE CONSIDERATION. AGAIN I'M POSSIBLY WRONG; JUST GUESSING RUMORS ARE BREWS EITHER DEAL FIELDER'S 10.5M OR LOSE HIM AS A BORAS CLIENT FOR NOTHING. RAYS ARE TRYING TO CUT BACK DANGLING UPTON & THINKING HARD ON CRAWFORD 10M OPTION. BREWS GM STATED TOP PRIORITY IS ADDING 2 SP IN OFFSEASON WILLING TO DANGLE TOP PROSPECT TO DO SO. HOW 'BOUT PELFREY & NIESE A RH & LH SP COMBO WITHOUT TAKING THAT PROSPECT. I THINK IT CAN HAPPEN. FIELDER IN CITI WOULD PITCH A TENT ON THE PORCH. ISN'T THIS FUN? MASK, LIKE SANTANA WITH HALLADAY’S NO TRADE, HE’S LIKELY TO DEMAND HIGH PRICED LONG EXTENSION + IT COSTS THE REMAINING CREAM OF OUR YOUTH. IN MY OPINION, BEST AVAILABLES ARE FIELDER & CRAWFORD & BOTH ARE TRADE ACQUISITIONS, UNLIKELY WE’VE THE CURRENCY FOR 3 DEALS. HALLADAY IS CERTAINLY BEST AVAILABLE SP; BUT IS THAT WHAT’S NECESSARY? I THINK OUR TRADE CHIPS ARE BEST USED FOR THAT WHICH IS UNAVAILABLE IN F/A MKT POWER 1B & EXCELLENT DEFENSIVE LFer. BELTRAN’S KNEES WON’T TAKE ANOTHER YR OF ROAMING LINE-2-LINE IN CITI. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A #2 A 1-A IS OVERKILL LEAVING BIG OFFENSIVE OR DEFENSIVE CHASM. THINK ABOUT IT. IF THEY GO FOR LACKEY, IN THIS DOWN MKT SANS NYY OR BOSOX A 4/60 MAY BE ALL THAT’S NEEDED & FIELDER & CRAWFORD ARE RELATIVELY CHEAP AVAILABLES(APPROX 10M PER ON EACH). JUST LIKE THE K-ROD MKT NEVER COALLESCED AS PREDICTED I THINK LACKEY’S MKT IS SIMILAR. TYPICAL BIG GUNS OF NYY,BOSOX,LAA,LAD NOT LIKELY PLAYING IN SP STRATOSPHERE WITH HALLADY A FUTURE CONSIDERATION. AGAIN I’M POSSIBLY WRONG; JUST GUESSING RUMORS ARE BREWS EITHER DEAL FIELDER’S 10.5M OR LOSE HIM AS A BORAS CLIENT FOR NOTHING. RAYS ARE TRYING TO CUT BACK DANGLING UPTON & THINKING HARD ON CRAWFORD 10M OPTION. BREWS GM STATED TOP PRIORITY IS ADDING 2 SP IN OFFSEASON WILLING TO DANGLE TOP PROSPECT TO DO SO. HOW ‘BOUT PELFREY & NIESE A RH & LH SP COMBO WITHOUT TAKING THAT PROSPECT. I THINK IT CAN HAPPEN. FIELDER IN CITI WOULD PITCH A TENT ON THE PORCH.
ISN’T THIS FUN?

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30254 METS62FAN Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:33:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30254 TODD, WILPONS ARE FAR FROM BILLIONAIRES IN THEIR OWN RIGHT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM, DO U REMEMBER THE DIFFICULTY THEY HAD COMPILING THE 500M TO BUY OUT DOUBLEDAY? IT'S LIKELY WHY THE MAIDOFF LOSES BELONGS TO STERLING ENTERPRISES, NOT NECESSARILY WILPON FAMILY. PERHAPS I'M BEING NAIVE; BUT IN A PREDICTED DOWN ECONOMIC FREE AGENT ENVIRONEMENT, WHO IS THIS BIDDING WAR AGAINST? I'M PROBABLY WRONG; BUT I THINK 4/60-75 IS HIS TOP OFFER. ATTENDANCE DOWN EVERYWHERE ALONG WITH MISC INCOME. NYY & BOSOX LIKELY NOT INTERESTED AT THAT ALTITUDE. ATL ALREADY SHOPPING LOWE TODD, WILPONS ARE FAR FROM BILLIONAIRES IN THEIR OWN RIGHT. THAT’S THE PROBLEM, DO U REMEMBER THE DIFFICULTY THEY HAD COMPILING THE 500M TO BUY OUT DOUBLEDAY? IT’S LIKELY WHY THE MAIDOFF LOSES BELONGS TO STERLING ENTERPRISES, NOT NECESSARILY WILPON FAMILY.

PERHAPS I’M BEING NAIVE; BUT IN A PREDICTED DOWN ECONOMIC FREE AGENT ENVIRONEMENT, WHO IS THIS BIDDING WAR AGAINST? I’M PROBABLY WRONG; BUT I THINK 4/60-75 IS HIS TOP OFFER. ATTENDANCE DOWN EVERYWHERE ALONG WITH MISC INCOME. NYY & BOSOX LIKELY NOT INTERESTED AT THAT ALTITUDE. ATL ALREADY SHOPPING LOWE

]]> By: David G. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30197 David G. Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:35:57 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30197 I agree with that, and I would love to trade for victor martinez. he would be perfect: he plays 1st and C, and allow u to let develop thole and murphy as they should (by giving them some AB but not too many). and he won't cost a lot of talents because he'll have only one year until free agency. halladay would cost too much of the farm system. mets can't afford that. I agree with that, and I would love to trade for victor martinez.
he would be perfect: he plays 1st and C, and allow u to let develop thole and murphy as they should (by giving them some AB but not too many).
and he won’t cost a lot of talents because he’ll have only one year until free agency.
halladay would cost too much of the farm system. mets can’t afford that.

]]> By: Kevin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30193 Kevin Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:00:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30193 I think retaining Manuel was a very big mistake. Whether it be dealing with Pelfrey's swoon, Maine's unfulfilled promise or the Mysrey of Ollie, the Mets' best off season move would have been to acquire Dave Duncan. I think he is the best person available to figure out if Pelf and Maine really have talent or are overrated. If that meant signing LaRussa to get Duncan, so be it. Duncan could also have been valuable in the development of Niese, Holt and Mejia. As usual, the Mets exercised horrible judgment. Halladay should most definitely be the target this offseason, unless he will not agree to a window to sign an extension. If that is the case, I would pass. I like Lackey, but I would be hesitant to dramatically overpay. Maybe we just have to wait one more year when the free agent class for pitchers is much better. Also, by then we will have a better idea as to what we have in Niese, Pelf, Mejia and Holt. I think retaining Manuel was a very big mistake. Whether it be dealing with Pelfrey’s swoon, Maine’s unfulfilled promise or the Mysrey of Ollie, the Mets’ best off season move would have been to acquire Dave Duncan. I think he is the best person available to figure out if Pelf and Maine really have talent or are overrated. If that meant signing LaRussa to get Duncan, so be it. Duncan could also have been valuable in the development of Niese, Holt and Mejia. As usual, the Mets exercised horrible judgment.

Halladay should most definitely be the target this offseason, unless he will not agree to a window to sign an extension. If that is the case, I would pass. I like Lackey, but I would be hesitant to dramatically overpay. Maybe we just have to wait one more year when the free agent class for pitchers is much better. Also, by then we will have a better idea as to what we have in Niese, Pelf, Mejia and Holt.

]]> By: jdon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30192 jdon Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:49:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30192 Of course you are right. I am suffering from the severest form of Met Fan Management Burnout. A bad team can be turned over. Bad management seems to be forever. I know I have said this somewhere before, but in the last 20 years the Mets have made one solid management move: Bobby Valentine. Every other top level management move the Won'tpons have made has been a poor choice. And I thought Leon Hess was bad. Watching this team since '62 has been a real trial, guys. Of course you are right. I am suffering from the severest form of Met Fan Management Burnout. A bad team can be turned over. Bad management seems to be forever. I know I have said this somewhere before, but in the last 20 years the Mets have made one solid management move: Bobby Valentine. Every other top level management move the Won’tpons have made has been a poor choice. And I thought Leon Hess was bad. Watching this team since ‘62 has been a real trial, guys.

]]> By: captain crunch http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30191 captain crunch Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:46:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30191 IF the Mets fail in 2010 early, the Mets would dismiss Manuel (only has 1 year contract) but not Omar (still has 3 years remaining). That's alot of money to absorb and then hire a new GM. IF the Mets fail in 2010 early, the Mets would dismiss Manuel (only has 1 year contract) but not Omar (still has 3 years remaining). That’s alot of money to absorb and then hire a new GM.

]]> By: captain crunch http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30190 captain crunch Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:41:53 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30190 You're very creative with this deal, however; the Mets would have to get cash from the Jays to offset Wells contract committment. You’re very creative with this deal, however; the Mets would have to get cash from the Jays to offset Wells contract committment.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30188 Ace Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:50:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30188 jdon, your right about replacing Omar/Jerry now instead of middle of the season, and many agree with that. Some flip-flopped and readily drank Wilpon injury excuse kool-aid after the radio interview though, but that is beside the point. The point is that we as fans are stuck with them as a part of our top management team, and hopefully they can turn it around with the right chess moves this off season. we are forced to wait and see. jdon, your right about replacing Omar/Jerry now instead of middle of the season, and many agree with that. Some flip-flopped and readily drank Wilpon injury excuse kool-aid after the radio interview though, but that is beside the point. The point is that we as fans are stuck with them as a part of our top management team, and hopefully they can turn it around with the right chess moves this off season. we are forced to wait and see.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30184 theonlymaskman Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:13:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30184 You're right. They should have gone now, but ownership didn't have the courage to do it. As you say, these guys do not deserve another chance, but the Wilpons are spineless and apparently buy into the injury excuse. So unfortunately it seems that there will have to be another fall for the team before these guys take a fall. Sad, but that seems to be where we are going. It pretty much dooms the 2010 season to another go around of follies, and also says that the easy fix will be for the Wilpons to advance Ricco to the GM job and the next bench coach to be the interim manager. It would certainly be better to get the right guys now. You’re right. They should have gone now, but ownership didn’t have the courage to do it. As you say, these guys do not deserve another chance, but the Wilpons are spineless and apparently buy into the injury excuse. So unfortunately it seems that there will have to be another fall for the team before these guys take a fall. Sad, but that seems to be where we are going. It pretty much dooms the 2010 season to another go around of follies, and also says that the easy fix will be for the Wilpons to advance Ricco to the GM job and the next bench coach to be the interim manager. It would certainly be better to get the right guys now.

]]> By: Todd http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/should-mets-get-into-a-bidding-war-on-lackey.html/comment-page-1#comment-30183 Todd Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:40 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=14351#comment-30183 The didn't really overpay for Delgado...Firstbaseman who hit 35-40 homeruns a year get paid in the 12-18 million a year range. He has, however, aged fast and maybe not prouced as you would have liked, but they didn't overpaid for him. Over-paying is what we did with Luis Castillo- $8 mil a year for 20 stolen bases and 120 games of below average defense and no pop. Why are you a bad fan if you don't care that your owners lose money on a bad contract?? They are billionares we shouldn't feel bad for them if they choose not to invest wisely. Besides, that's not the whole point of his argument. The didn’t really overpay for Delgado…Firstbaseman who hit 35-40 homeruns a year get paid in the 12-18 million a year range. He has, however, aged fast and maybe not prouced as you would have liked, but they didn’t overpaid for him. Over-paying is what we did with Luis Castillo- $8 mil a year for 20 stolen bases and 120 games of below average defense and no pop. Why are you a bad fan if you don’t care that your owners lose money on a bad contract?? They are billionares we shouldn’t feel bad for them if they choose not to invest wisely. Besides, that’s not the whole point of his argument.

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