It Was Vintage Pedro Out There Last Night

14 Comments + Add Comment

• Ed Leyro October 17, 2009 at 10:32 am

  “In the end I got just what I had hoped for, a masterpiece from Pedro and a loss for the Phillies.”

  Hee hee. I was just about to blog about this and it was going to be based on that closing statement. You beat me to it, Joe!

  Last night’s game was so reminiscent of the September 13 game against the Mets when Pedro beat Tim Redding 1-0 in his eight-inning, 130-pitch effort.

  It looks like next season, Pedro will be far more desirable than he was this year. Good luck to Pedro and more luck to the Dodgers!
• theonlymaskman October 17, 2009 at 10:48 am

  Great story. I had the same feeling while watching last night. I kept rooting for Pedro through the game and had to keep telling myself that he was a Philly and I wanted them to lose. Then Manuel pulled him from the game with only 87 pitches under his belt. I wondered to myself if it was rather early to be pulling him out of the game given his performance. I had thought Pedro was going for the complete game. But no, somebody named Manuel thought otherwise. Today we hear the Mgr making excuses of what he thought at the time. Very reminiscent about the excuses we hear from that other Manuel that we are too familar with. Must be something about that name, although I’ve thought all year that the Philly variety was the more intlligent of the 2 of them.
  On reflection, perhaps it is the name!

  Let’s go Dodgers! We need Torre at the WS to keep the Evil Empire in check!
  • METS62FAN October 18, 2009 at 10:18 am

    MASK, ACCORDING TO PETERSON’S INTERVIEW RECENTLU, THE 100 PITCH COUNT HAS MORE TO DO WITH AVG. PERFOMANCES AS HISTORICALLY STATS THEY PUT A LOT OF STOCK IN SHOWS HOW MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE A PITCHER IS WITH PITCHES 100-115 AND NOT A PARTICILAR NIGHT’S PERFORMANCE. MY COMPLAINT WITH THIS FORM OF GEROUP THINK. IS IF THAT’S THE CASE, WHY HAVE A HUMAN MAKING THE DECISION AT ALL, WHY NOT PREDETERMINE THAT IN ANY INNING THE SP IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO GO OVER 100, THE NEXT HALF. ATOMATICALLY PLACES THE NEXT BP ARM IN THE GAME. PERHAPS THAT’S WHERE WE’RE HEADING WHEN MGRS. WILL PREANNOUUNCE THEIR PITCHING PLANS MUCH LIKE ION ST. PITCHER ‘X’ WILL START, THROW NO MORE THAN 100P, BE REPLACED BY PITCHER Y IF NEXT 3 BATTERS ARE RH & PITCHER Z IF NEXT BATTER OR 2 OF NEXT 3 ARE LH. TALK ABOUT VISEO GAME LEVEL MNGT. THIS IS ALL THE WAY BACK TO ATARI! THE CG IS EXTINCT! PERHAPS MLB SHOULD CONDIDER SLIGHTLY RAISING THE MOUND TO REDUCE ARM WEAR & RESTORE STARTING PITCHER DOMINANCE.
    LIKE U I DON’T LIKE IT. IN THE LATE 60s THEY LOWERED THE MOUND TO INCREASE OFFENSE & REDUCE PITCHER EFFECTIVNESS. CGs BEEN ON DECLINE EVER SINCE.
    • theonlymaskman October 18, 2009 at 10:45 am

      There is a lot of tinkering that goes on with mound changes (although the Dodgers are rumored not to be observing the latest definition), ball doctoring with a soggy ball in use at Coors, fences that come in and out and up and down, infields that are tended to individual formulas, grass that is long or short or fake, and now the start of replays. Meanwhile the players are doctored with various assorted technologies and potions and management has its evolving theories of how the game is played including the strategy of pitch counts for one. All of this changes the game and it continuously evolves. The links to the past are tenuous, and for a game that is so linked to statistics and database, the question of the validity of records comes to mind. The sabermetricians quantify, while the norms and long term means are constantly changing. It makes for much discussion and controversy and keeps blogs and websites such as this one fueled with discussion forever.
• kevin October 17, 2009 at 10:54 am

  A nice way to sum up last nights game Joe. I think most Mets fans were feling the same way. There is something charismatic about Pedro that makes it hard not to root for him no matter who he is pitching for. During that whole steroids era when Clemens was busy doing roids, Pedro was the best pitcher of that era bar none. And the fact that his name has not once ever been uttered in the same sentence as steroids, has only made him more appealing as the years went on.
• Lisa P. October 17, 2009 at 10:59 am

  I couldn’t have said it any better! I wanted him to go the whole game, but knew if he did that the Phillies would probably win. Thank you Pedro for a great show, and thank you Charlie Manuel for letting your bullpen blow the game.
• Shamsky October 17, 2009 at 1:06 pm

  Joe, I wouldn’t say it was vintage Pedro, but it was a hell of a lot better than anything we saw of the Mets pitchers this season. Looking at his numbers that you posted from his short season, I think they would have ranked 1st or 2nd on the Mets compared to their starters.
  • theonlymaskman October 17, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Very sadly true.
  • Kay October 17, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    It was a hell of a lot better then the METS saw of Pedro pitching when HE was in this uniform. That is what is sad……….
  • METS62FAN October 18, 2009 at 10:36 am

    MAYBE I MISSED THE DISCOUNT SALE PEDRO OFFERED NYM; LAST I’D READ HIS DEMANDS TO STAY A MET IN SPRING WAS FOR 1YR @ 5M, BY THE TIME HE GOT TO 1M WE’D ALREADY LOST REYES,DELGADO,BELTRAN & THE TEAM WAS DNR. HAD THEY SOMEHOW, MIRACULOUSLY REPL REYES & DELGADO WITH HANLEY RAMIREZ & ALBERT PUJOLS, THE ADDITION OF PEDRO EVEN @ 1M WASN’T PUTTING US IN THE POSTSEASON. AT SOME POINT EARLIER THAN RABID FANS TYPICALLY WANT ASTUTE MNGT MUST KNOW WHEN TO STOP STUFFING MORE MONEY INTO THE RATHOLE. UNREALISTIC THINKING OR FAN-THINK IS WHAT MADE JEFF BELIEVE THERE WAS A CHANCE IN ’04 WHEN HE ORDERED THE TRADE OF UNREADY KAZMIR FOR SUPPOSED 10-MIN FIX & READY ZAMBRANO. FORTTUNATELY, UNLIKE DUQUETTE, OMAR KNOWS WHEN TO TAKE THE ROSEY FAN GLASSES OFF & REIN IN HIS NOVICE WFAN LISTENING COO.
• Russell Zanca October 17, 2009 at 4:54 pm

  As I started writing back in March, we should’ve re-signed Pedro!
  • Kay October 17, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Russell – as you say to me – YOU are smarter then that……..seriously, Pedro had a good night last night, but we hadn’t seen that Pedro in over THREE years, not signing him was one of the smart things Omar actually did…….. He was not a good pitcher during his tenure with the Mets, other then his first year, he was on the DL more then anything……..don’t let the emotions of ONE game change that.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan October 17, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    As Kay said, you would think a blogger like Russell Zanca would know better than to make an completely ridiculous statement that we should’ve resigned Pedro.

    Not only is it classic 2nd guessing but we all know that Pedro was asking for too much money when he should have been giving us a huge discount. And even if we did re-sign him it would not have made any difference in our season! 75% or so of our team went down with injuries! C’mon man, think about what you’re saying!

    Also, We all would have been talking about trading Pedro to a contender for prospects anyway by the time July rolled around…and that’s if he wasn’t on the DL by then.
• No_limits54 October 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm

  Preparing your postsThere are four ways to post content to Posterous. ,