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		<title>By: Craft Beer</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-your-name-must-be-daniel-murphy.html#comment-36976</link>
		<dc:creator>Craft Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is too short for bad beer.  :-)</description>
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		<title>By: metsgod97</title>
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		<dc:creator>metsgod97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I like Luis Castillo offensively. Oh, and if you didn&#039;t realize, Mike Jacobs sucks at baseball, and Shane Victorino and Chone Figgins are people that commentators like Joe Morgan like. If you don&#039;t get this sarcasm you truly are an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I like Luis Castillo offensively. Oh, and if you didn&#8217;t realize, Mike Jacobs sucks at baseball, and Shane Victorino and Chone Figgins are people that commentators like Joe Morgan like. If you don&#8217;t get this sarcasm you truly are an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not ideal, but if he improves slightly with the bat-- entirely possible, with a slight uptick in plate discipline-- and you&#039;ve got superlative offensive value elsewhere (say, 3B, CF, SS and LF), it&#039;s workable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not ideal, but if he improves slightly with the bat&#8211; entirely possible, with a slight uptick in plate discipline&#8211; and you&#8217;ve got superlative offensive value elsewhere (say, 3B, CF, SS and LF), it&#8217;s workable.</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I read that post and didn&#039;t realize it was using sabermetrics to make a case for Murphy.  Thanks for providing.

Also, I never said there&#039;s something &quot;wrong&quot; with liking a player for whatever reason (in this case Francoeur), just that it seems hypocritical to write this piece slamming Murphy because he was the worst hitting 1B in the league while never once mentioning over the last couple months that Francoeur was the 2nd worst hitting RF in the league.  That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I read that post and didn&#8217;t realize it was using sabermetrics to make a case for Murphy.  Thanks for providing.</p>
<p>Also, I never said there&#8217;s something &#8220;wrong&#8221; with liking a player for whatever reason (in this case Francoeur), just that it seems hypocritical to write this piece slamming Murphy because he was the worst hitting 1B in the league while never once mentioning over the last couple months that Francoeur was the 2nd worst hitting RF in the league.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my opinion that Francoeur will be better than what he was with the braves with a new hitting coach and a willingness to work closely with HoJo where he will be in November participating at his hitting clinic.

What is so wrong with being a Francoeur fan? I&#039;m a Mets fan and he&#039;s become one of my favorite Mets. There really is no mysterious secret to why I like certain players, I just do.

Regarding Murphy, I don&#039;t hate him, I just like LaRoche, Feilder and Gonzalez better than him as an everyday first baseman. I view Murphy as a Dave Magadan type and would like to see him stay on the team as utility guy and pinch hitter. 

Believe it or not, we do have saber friendly writers on this site, and this post was in response to another post on this site that ran 3 days earlier. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/murphy-francesa-and-the-future.html

peace...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that Francoeur will be better than what he was with the braves with a new hitting coach and a willingness to work closely with HoJo where he will be in November participating at his hitting clinic.</p>
<p>What is so wrong with being a Francoeur fan? I&#8217;m a Mets fan and he&#8217;s become one of my favorite Mets. There really is no mysterious secret to why I like certain players, I just do.</p>
<p>Regarding Murphy, I don&#8217;t hate him, I just like LaRoche, Feilder and Gonzalez better than him as an everyday first baseman. I view Murphy as a Dave Magadan type and would like to see him stay on the team as utility guy and pinch hitter. </p>
<p>Believe it or not, we do have saber friendly writers on this site, and this post was in response to another post on this site that ran 3 days earlier. <a href="http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/murphy-francesa-and-the-future.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/murphy-francesa-and-the-future.html</a></p>
<p>peace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murphy is no lightning rod, for me atleast - selective use of stats to fit your personal beliefs about players is the lightning rod.  You like Francoeur and don&#039;t like Murphy.  You use a stat (in this post) to show that Murphy sucks at hitting compared to other 1st basemen.  Yet you would never do this same analysis for Francoeur because you like him.  

This statement is also puzzling:

&quot;I found it odd that some saber friendly Mets fans are so quick to defend Murphy on his inability to draw walks &quot;

Which &quot;saber friendly&quot; Mets fans have been quick to defend Murphy?  I know I haven&#039;t, for one, and have actually made numerous writeups this year saying it&#039;s foolish to keep Murphy at 1B this year.  If you could provide a link to some saber friendly Met fan praising Murphy I would greatly appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murphy is no lightning rod, for me atleast &#8211; selective use of stats to fit your personal beliefs about players is the lightning rod.  You like Francoeur and don&#8217;t like Murphy.  You use a stat (in this post) to show that Murphy sucks at hitting compared to other 1st basemen.  Yet you would never do this same analysis for Francoeur because you like him.  </p>
<p>This statement is also puzzling:</p>
<p>&#8220;I found it odd that some saber friendly Mets fans are so quick to defend Murphy on his inability to draw walks &#8221;</p>
<p>Which &#8220;saber friendly&#8221; Mets fans have been quick to defend Murphy?  I know I haven&#8217;t, for one, and have actually made numerous writeups this year saying it&#8217;s foolish to keep Murphy at 1B this year.  If you could provide a link to some saber friendly Met fan praising Murphy I would greatly appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight the sarcasm in the above you wrote is in reagrds to Jeff Francoeur being a gritty player who has helped David Wright&#039;s game???

But then you state you want the Mets to make 3 trades this off season. This is sarcasm also?  You advocate for the trades below. 

1st trade: trade for Mike Jacobs because you state, &quot;he is gritty and 92 rbi&#039;s&quot;

2nd Trade: &quot;trade for Shane Victorino; He is a winner. He can play center next year while Beltran moves to left&quot;

3rd Trade: &quot;Trade Jose Reyes. The dude was milking it, was a wimp and celebrates to much. 

You then go on to say that the Mets should obtain Chone Figginsto replace Reyes becasue, &quot;...He’s like David Eckstein, except better. He’s obviously a winner.&quot;

What you gave up trying to obtain Randy Winn? NAd what no Luis Castillo bashing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight the sarcasm in the above you wrote is in reagrds to Jeff Francoeur being a gritty player who has helped David Wright&#8217;s game???</p>
<p>But then you state you want the Mets to make 3 trades this off season. This is sarcasm also?  You advocate for the trades below. </p>
<p>1st trade: trade for Mike Jacobs because you state, &#8220;he is gritty and 92 rbi&#8217;s&#8221;</p>
<p>2nd Trade: &#8220;trade for Shane Victorino; He is a winner. He can play center next year while Beltran moves to left&#8221;</p>
<p>3rd Trade: &#8220;Trade Jose Reyes. The dude was milking it, was a wimp and celebrates to much. </p>
<p>You then go on to say that the Mets should obtain Chone Figginsto replace Reyes becasue, &#8220;&#8230;He’s like David Eckstein, except better. He’s obviously a winner.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you gave up trying to obtain Randy Winn? NAd what no Luis Castillo bashing?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsgod97</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsgod97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously don&#039;t understand sarcasm. 
IDIOT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously don&#8217;t understand sarcasm.<br />
IDIOT</p>
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		<title>By: Evan_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing that you couldn&#039;t interpret obvious sarcasm, I&#039;m going to agree with you, you are the idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing that you couldn&#8217;t interpret obvious sarcasm, I&#8217;m going to agree with you, you are the idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>metsgod97 says:
October 13, 2009 at 7:06 am

&quot;You are an idiot. You know, one of these people that other people laugh at because of your stupidity&quot;

Metsgod97 wrote the following on October 11 2009:

&quot;Jeff Francoeur is a gritty player. Despite the fact that he is not very good at walking (it&#039;s because he&#039;s manly!) he still is a leader and re energized David Wright. This team has no heart, grission, or leadership and needs more of these players players like Francoer. My solution?
Trade for Mike Jacobs. He&#039;s gritty and had 92 RBI&#039;s
trade for Shane Victorino; He is a winner. He can play center next year while Beltran moves to left. Trade Jose Reyes. The dude was milking it, was a wimp and celebrates to much. Replace Reyes with Chone Figgins. He&#039;s like David Eckstein, except better. He&#039;s obviously a winner. Sign Eckstein for backup infield, and for his leadership and winning abilities.&quot;

HAHHAhaaaaaaaa HAaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yeah I&#039;m the idiot. HAhahahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metsgod97 says:<br />
October 13, 2009 at 7:06 am</p>
<p>&#8220;You are an idiot. You know, one of these people that other people laugh at because of your stupidity&#8221;</p>
<p>Metsgod97 wrote the following on October 11 2009:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jeff Francoeur is a gritty player. Despite the fact that he is not very good at walking (it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s manly!) he still is a leader and re energized David Wright. This team has no heart, grission, or leadership and needs more of these players players like Francoer. My solution?<br />
Trade for Mike Jacobs. He&#8217;s gritty and had 92 RBI&#8217;s<br />
trade for Shane Victorino; He is a winner. He can play center next year while Beltran moves to left. Trade Jose Reyes. The dude was milking it, was a wimp and celebrates to much. Replace Reyes with Chone Figgins. He&#8217;s like David Eckstein, except better. He&#8217;s obviously a winner. Sign Eckstein for backup infield, and for his leadership and winning abilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>HAHHAhaaaaaaaa HAaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yeah I&#8217;m the idiot. HAhahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: metsgod97</title>
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		<dc:creator>metsgod97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an idiot. You know, one of these people that other people laugh at because of your stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an idiot. You know, one of these people that other people laugh at because of your stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan_S</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-your-name-must-be-daniel-murphy.html#comment-30236</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well first off, you can see Winn created more of his chances to outs. More importantly, a player cannot control the number of balls hit to him, how hard they are hit and so on. UZR takes every play as an individual event and rates the player based on all of the plays. If all people thought like you, we&#039;d have never left the stone age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first off, you can see Winn created more of his chances to outs. More importantly, a player cannot control the number of balls hit to him, how hard they are hit and so on. UZR takes every play as an individual event and rates the player based on all of the plays. If all people thought like you, we&#8217;d have never left the stone age.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan_S says:
October 12, 2009 at 11:02 pm
&quot;And regarding Winn and Francouer, Winn covers much more ground than Francoeur does. All of Francoeur defensive value comes from his arm which is not what it once was and has become just above average. Besides that he has zero range, none. Winn has excellent range for a right fielder, he was a good center fielder so obviously he is faster than 
Francoeur. Your reasoning is 100% subjective,....&quot;

Hahahahaaaa. hahahahhaaaa....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan_S says:<br />
October 12, 2009 at 11:02 pm<br />
&#8220;And regarding Winn and Francouer, Winn covers much more ground than Francoeur does. All of Francoeur defensive value comes from his arm which is not what it once was and has become just above average. Besides that he has zero range, none. Winn has excellent range for a right fielder, he was a good center fielder so obviously he is faster than<br />
Francoeur. Your reasoning is 100% subjective,&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahahahaaaa. hahahahhaaaa&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the 2010 World Series game 7, Mets are playing the Yankees at Citi Field.  Top of the 9th runner on 3rd base and Posada is hitting.
If only the Mets has Randy Winn to play RF instead the Mets are stuck with Jeff Francouer in RF. OH NO! Oh My. Winn&#039;s arm is soooooooooooooo much better than Francouers. and Winn&#039;s covers soooooo much more ground than Francouer...Haaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaa hahaaaaaaa.


Francouer 
2009
152 games
Chances:308
Putouts:294
Assists:11
errors: 1
.993% 

winn
2009
146 games
Chances:287
Put outs:282
Assists:5
errors:0

So Francour played in 6 more games than Winn in 2009 but had 21 more chances, 26 more putouts and 6 more assists.
But how can this be???! Winn id suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a better fielder than Francour. Hahahahahaha.....hahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the 2010 World Series game 7, Mets are playing the Yankees at Citi Field.  Top of the 9th runner on 3rd base and Posada is hitting.<br />
If only the Mets has Randy Winn to play RF instead the Mets are stuck with Jeff Francouer in RF. OH NO! Oh My. Winn&#8217;s arm is soooooooooooooo much better than Francouers. and Winn&#8217;s covers soooooo much more ground than Francouer&#8230;Haaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaa hahaaaaaaa.</p>
<p>Francouer<br />
2009<br />
152 games<br />
Chances:308<br />
Putouts:294<br />
Assists:11<br />
errors: 1<br />
.993% </p>
<p>winn<br />
2009<br />
146 games<br />
Chances:287<br />
Put outs:282<br />
Assists:5<br />
errors:0</p>
<p>So Francour played in 6 more games than Winn in 2009 but had 21 more chances, 26 more putouts and 6 more assists.<br />
But how can this be???! Winn id suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a better fielder than Francour. Hahahahahaha&#8230;..hahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: theonlymaskman</title>
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		<dc:creator>theonlymaskman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy has this thing gone loony.  How did we get the idea that Murphy is a good fielder?  He has proven that he can&#039;t play the OF.  He can&#039;t be trusted to play 3 of the 4 IF positions.  He is marginal at 1B at best, no matter what the sabers say.  Has anyone listened to Keith analyze Murphy&#039;s play.  He frequently get his feet tangled, stretches in the wrong direction, and gets himself out of position.  He tries to make plays the 2B should be making.  He very often is unable to even cover the bag.  If he hasn&#039;t made many errors of commission, how many errors of ommission has he made?  Do errors of ommission and faulty mechanics at the bag show in the metrics at all?  The reality is that the Mets are atempting to hide him on the field by assigning him to 1B.  He is a bench player with no versatility.  That means he is expendable, because his hitting value is low and his fielding versatility is non-existent.  What is he?  Answer: trade fodder!  Anyone want to start the Dan Murphy as catcher experiment?  If so, let&#039;s do it at PSL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy has this thing gone loony.  How did we get the idea that Murphy is a good fielder?  He has proven that he can&#8217;t play the OF.  He can&#8217;t be trusted to play 3 of the 4 IF positions.  He is marginal at 1B at best, no matter what the sabers say.  Has anyone listened to Keith analyze Murphy&#8217;s play.  He frequently get his feet tangled, stretches in the wrong direction, and gets himself out of position.  He tries to make plays the 2B should be making.  He very often is unable to even cover the bag.  If he hasn&#8217;t made many errors of commission, how many errors of ommission has he made?  Do errors of ommission and faulty mechanics at the bag show in the metrics at all?  The reality is that the Mets are atempting to hide him on the field by assigning him to 1B.  He is a bench player with no versatility.  That means he is expendable, because his hitting value is low and his fielding versatility is non-existent.  What is he?  Answer: trade fodder!  Anyone want to start the Dan Murphy as catcher experiment?  If so, let&#8217;s do it at PSL.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re an idiot, sorry, I was trying to refrain from name calling but I can&#039;t anymore. Where did I say Murphy is clearly a better fielder than Pujols or Gonzalez, I even said there isn&#039;t enough evidence to say Murphy is going to continue being a good fielder. And regarding Winn and Francouer, Winn covers much more ground than Francoeur does. All of Francoeur defensive value comes from his arm which is not what it once was and has become just above average. Besides that he has zero range, none. Winn has excellent range for a right fielder, he was a good center fielder so obviously he is faster than Francoeur. Your reasoning is 100% subjective, everything you know about players is either what you see --and you can&#039;t see every play so you have limited knowledge and what you see you don&#039;t understand because you are not a scout and are not trained to know what to see-- or what you hear from other people or whatever numbnuts is on ESPN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re an idiot, sorry, I was trying to refrain from name calling but I can&#8217;t anymore. Where did I say Murphy is clearly a better fielder than Pujols or Gonzalez, I even said there isn&#8217;t enough evidence to say Murphy is going to continue being a good fielder. And regarding Winn and Francouer, Winn covers much more ground than Francoeur does. All of Francoeur defensive value comes from his arm which is not what it once was and has become just above average. Besides that he has zero range, none. Winn has excellent range for a right fielder, he was a good center fielder so obviously he is faster than Francoeur. Your reasoning is 100% subjective, everything you know about players is either what you see &#8211;and you can&#8217;t see every play so you have limited knowledge and what you see you don&#8217;t understand because you are not a scout and are not trained to know what to see&#8211; or what you hear from other people or whatever numbnuts is on ESPN.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Again, who said Murphy should be our first baseman next year? I don&#039;t want him there that&#039;s for sure. But he IS A GOOD FIELDER. That&#039;s about all he is. He&#039;s a bad hitter, almost everyone here and every single saber-inclined fan will agree to that. In my opinion, the worst case scenario has him platooning first base next year because he&#039;s not good enough to go at it alone.

Also, regarding Pagan, not only is he better per 500 PA than Murphy, he&#039;s also better than Francoeur. I want Beltran flanked by Holliday and Pagan next year. Pagan is at worst Francoeur&#039;s equal at the plate and has much better range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Again, who said Murphy should be our first baseman next year? I don&#8217;t want him there that&#8217;s for sure. But he IS A GOOD FIELDER. That&#8217;s about all he is. He&#8217;s a bad hitter, almost everyone here and every single saber-inclined fan will agree to that. In my opinion, the worst case scenario has him platooning first base next year because he&#8217;s not good enough to go at it alone.</p>
<p>Also, regarding Pagan, not only is he better per 500 PA than Murphy, he&#8217;s also better than Francoeur. I want Beltran flanked by Holliday and Pagan next year. Pagan is at worst Francoeur&#8217;s equal at the plate and has much better range.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! And and lest we forget the Met fan refrain; &quot;Luis Castillo sucks! he never gets on base and he strikes out too much!&quot;  
&quot;Daniel Murphy is better than Carlos Delgado Man!:
Hahahahaaa. its addictive I can&#039;t stop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! And and lest we forget the Met fan refrain; &#8220;Luis Castillo sucks! he never gets on base and he strikes out too much!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Daniel Murphy is better than Carlos Delgado Man!:<br />
Hahahahaaa. its addictive I can&#8217;t stop</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only problem u have with this is that this team cant afford to put out an ok team next year with no real hopes of playoff contention.  the owners are upset because the LOST MONEY.  they did not make the kind of money they wanted.  this is a business and now u see a team that needs to make money.  Murphy still might be in the plans, due to the fact hes playing fall and winter league, but expect the owners to have a say in some key trades or free agent acquisitions.  hopefully they do make some good trades that could bring Doc Halladay to us from toronto.  
Realistically, u can look for a team needing a salary dump to so we could get rid of oli... you could always keep him and trade pelf away for an upgrade but anyways....
onwership wants and needs to win so that they could fill up this lovely new stadium up.  buy $10 beers and spend all this money on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only problem u have with this is that this team cant afford to put out an ok team next year with no real hopes of playoff contention.  the owners are upset because the LOST MONEY.  they did not make the kind of money they wanted.  this is a business and now u see a team that needs to make money.  Murphy still might be in the plans, due to the fact hes playing fall and winter league, but expect the owners to have a say in some key trades or free agent acquisitions.  hopefully they do make some good trades that could bring Doc Halladay to us from toronto.<br />
Realistically, u can look for a team needing a salary dump to so we could get rid of oli&#8230; you could always keep him and trade pelf away for an upgrade but anyways&#8230;.<br />
onwership wants and needs to win so that they could fill up this lovely new stadium up.  buy $10 beers and spend all this money on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelongmetsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelongmetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe don&#039;t yo know anything?! Daniel Murphy is going to be the best 2nd baseman of all time! And David Wright is going to hit 30+ home runs.
Oh by the way did you know that Randy Winn is a better right fielder than Jeff Francouer? Oh and lets not forget about our own Johnny Bench to be; Josh Thoele. You see hoele is a young catcher with the otneital to be a pretty good gap hitter. He just needs to get better defensively. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. a catcher who needs to get beter defensively!? Isn&#039;t that like saying. &quot;Yah, this young pitcher is gonna be good. he just needs to get better at pitching.&quot; PLEASE STOP the insanity I need to go to bed. STOP&gt; I feel strangely compelled to counter all these wacky assertions tonight. It&#039;s the wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe don&#8217;t yo know anything?! Daniel Murphy is going to be the best 2nd baseman of all time! And David Wright is going to hit 30+ home runs.<br />
Oh by the way did you know that Randy Winn is a better right fielder than Jeff Francouer? Oh and lets not forget about our own Johnny Bench to be; Josh Thoele. You see hoele is a young catcher with the otneital to be a pretty good gap hitter. He just needs to get better defensively. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. a catcher who needs to get beter defensively!? Isn&#8217;t that like saying. &#8220;Yah, this young pitcher is gonna be good. he just needs to get better at pitching.&#8221; PLEASE STOP the insanity I need to go to bed. STOP&gt; I feel strangely compelled to counter all these wacky assertions tonight. It&#8217;s the wine.</p>
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