Both Jason Bay and Matt Holiday’s season is now officially over as their teams were eliminated over the weekend, they now have a lot to consider as they are going to be free agents for the first time in both of their careers. They were successful with both their clubs this year and have been favorites over the years for their offensive numbers during their careers.
These two outfielders are the best 2 left fielders on the free agent market this year. They will both command a lot of money, especially since they are both clients of Scott Boras. There are not many “cons” to signing either of these guys.
Both would provide the power the Mets desperately need next year. Both Bay and Holliday will supply the protection that David Wright needs in the lineup. This year was the first time in Wright’s career that he didn’t have any sort of protection in the lineup and we saw the result.
A lot of people thought that Holliday was only achieving the numbers the has over his career because he was hitting in Coors Field for the Rockies. Last winter he was traded to Oakland where he played for 93 games. In those 93 games he hit .286 with 13 HR’s. At the end of July, Holliday was traded to the Cardinals where he hit .353 with 14 HR’s, finishing the year off a .313 batting AVG. Holliday doesn’t always get the respect for his defense but he is a good defensive player as well, of course I’m disregarding that error in game 2 of the NLDS which was a fluke. He has made 31 errors in his career from 2004-2009.
Bay’s numbers are equally impressive. He has a career batting average of .280. Since 2003 he has hit 185 home runs with 610 RBI. Bay does strikeout more than Holliday but he is a power hitter and power hitters are more susceptible to striking out. Last year Bay was traded to Boston at the deadline in July, he has played in 200 games for the Red Sox and he has hit .274 with 45 home runs and 156 RBI in 200 games in Boston.
Obviously the Mets are not going to sign both outfielders this year, though with this medical staff that wouldn’t be such a bad idea. All joking aside, I would rather the Mets sign Matt Holliday. He’s 2 years younger than Bay, his defense is better and he doesn’t strikeout as much. The defense is key to me as left field in Citi Field demands an outfielder who can field well.
Both players are in their prime and would be an asset to any club that signs them. Both are reportedly happy with their current teams but as we know in this day and age being content with your team doesn’t mean you won’t take the bigger pay day. I’m guessing that money will be the ultimate factor for whatever team signs Bay and Holliday as both clubs they are with are contenders every year and are capable of winning championships.
What do you fans think? Am I wrong in wanting Holliday? Would you rather have Jason Bay? Or is there another left fielder you rather have?
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I think Holliday is a better hitter. Didn’t Omar trade Jason Bay twice? Once as an Expo and once as a Met? Or did Phillips/Duquette trade him as a Met? If he traded this guy twice and has to pay him 10+ million, what does that say about his talent evaluation skills, supposedly the reason the Wilpons claim they brought him in her ein the first place. Anyway, I would prefer Holliday, Bay is very streaky.
I’m pretty sure Bay was traded before Minaya took over. I want to say he was traded in 2002, but I’m not entirely sure.
I think he probably was, but was he not Montreal property when Omar traded him the first time?
Holliday or Bay? I just hope we get Abreu and not Dye,Burrel, or Pierre (a more expensive Pagan). A year(s) too late is how Omar operates and Abreu probably fits that mold too along with Marquis who will probably be our pitching fix.
My god. I stopped reading after you said there aren’t many cons to signing these players.
How about the money and their defense? Holliday makes more sense than Bay, but I find it hypocritical that every Met fan rails against Omar and overpaying free agents, yet want them to go blow a bunch of money on 25 hr hitting LFs with no defense and astronimical prices.
Greg you do a good job, I didn’t really stop reading, just wanted to make my point.
There’s plenty of guys in baseball that make less than 2 mil and can play LF and offer defense with 15-20 hr power.
I think Jeff stressed to us that the free agent market isn’t attractive and that trades will be the preferred route.
I can’t honestly sit here and say that Holliday’s bat wouldn’t help this lineup, but his defense and paycheck will hurt the club long term and he absolutely will not guarentee us a playoff berth.
I’m starting to think we’re a couple years away from contending, and I’d like to see them rebuild through their system and trades, not by consuming 25 mil on 2 players (1 pitcher, 1 Lf) who may not make a difference.
I really don’t think LF is a priority for this club. Say what you want, but RF may be more of a priority. Jeff Francoeur = small sample size bias
Matt F
I’m with you. Mets fans are totally impatient. They want a championship in 2010. I’d happily take “playing meaningful games in September”.
Although I’d give Francoeur a chance, we need another outfielder but not Abreu,Dye, Burrell.
Other than the fact that Holliday is a very good fielder, I agree his defensive is terrible.
EVAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE ALTHOUGH SHE HAD FEW TEETH & A BIG NOSE, SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL LMAO.
HOLLIDAY IS PERHAPS A PERFECT CANDIDATE TO EVALUATE DEFENSIVELY IN CITI SINCE IT’S EXPANSVE OUFIELD IS SIMILAR TO THAT IN COL. CONSIDER THIS, DURING HIS 5 YRS IN COL HE AVERAGED 5.2 ERRORS A SEASON. BASICLY ADEQUATE, AT BEST.FLD% ARE ONLY INDICATIVE BASED ON # OF E PER 1,000 CHANCES SO HIS CAREER .980 FLD% MEANS 20 ERRORS EVERY THOUSAND OPPORTUNITIES. THAT’S LF NOT SS OR 2B, A REAL SKILL POSITION. ESPECIALLY IF U R FOCUSING ON DEFENSE NO MORE THAN 10/1,000 IS BAE MINIMUM. BOTH BAY & HOLLIDAY ARE CAREER .980 F% GUYS. MURPH WAS UNACCEPTABLE .950 IN LF, MANNY .978 FOR PERSPECTIVE. CRAWFORD BTW HAS .991 – A BETTER FIT. CLIFF FLOYD’S WAS .980.
Fielding PErcentage is an extremely flawed way at looking at a player. It only deals with the balls the player gets to and the less range a player has the less balls he gets to and the balls he does get to are easier than ones better fielders reach. Holliday is a real good left fielder, has good range doesn’t make a ton of errors, and his arm is about average. He’s one of the better left fielder in baseball and would be a spectacular pick up. Bay, on the other hand is a terrible fielder with horrific range. He was bad in Boston, imagine how bad he’ll be in Citi.
Evan you can’t use UZR…these people don’t understand it
EVAN, U DON’T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT HOLLIDAY IN COL(WHOSE FLD IS AS EXPANSIVE AS CITI, WHILE HE PLAYED LF THERE FOR5 YRS HE COMMITTED 26 ACTUAL ERRORS(WHETHER THEY WERE ON BALLS HE GOT TO OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT) THEY WERE A C T U A L ERRORS DON’Y KNOW ABOUT U; BUT 26 IN 5 YRS IN LF DOES NOT TRASLATE INTO EXCELLENT DEFENSE, SS DEFINITLY; BUT LF? NO! I PREFER ACTUAL CONCRETE STATS TO % OR TRENDS. COORS IS VERY SIMILAR TO CITI DIMENSIONALLY, THUS HIS DEFENSE IN CORRS IS GERMANE TO HIS PROJECTED D IN CITI. THAT HIS NUMBERS MAY BE SKEWED BY ROAD GAMES IS THE SAME REGARDLESS HE ONLY MADE 1 ACTUAL ERROR WHILE PLAYING FOR OAKLAND & STL.(NOT COUNTING THIS PAST LDS) JUST AS THE ATMOSPHERE IN CIOL MAKES HIS PWR NUMBERS SUSPECT HIS ACTUAL COMMITTED FOPARS IN COLORADO MAKES HIS ANTICIPATED CITI DEFENSE SUSPECT.
Mets62fan
I’m not being critical or anything but if you want to put your caps words into lowecase, you can select the whole thing then go shift+F3. Just trying to help, thats all
Between the two of them I’d have to go with Holliday, but I wonder if it wouldn’t be more beneficial to try and acquire two or three good players, as opposed to one superstar. This would be similar to the way the Angels construct their teams.
You should all google dave cameron’s article about jason bay from “uss mariner”
I will be livid if he becomes a Met. I doubt theo will resign him–doesn’t that say enough?
Good article. Here’s a link if anyone is interested in reading it: http://ussmariner.com/2009/10/08/sorry-jason-we-dont-want-you/
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JDON, DOESN’T OMAR GET BLAMED FOR ENOUGH? I BELIEVE IT WAS PHILLIPS STATED LACK OF INTEREST IN MILB PLAYERS THAT SAW BAY DEALT BY NYM. DUQUETTE ONLY IN POS LONG ENOUGH TO CHANGE HIS SHIRT. & DESTROY OUR HOPES(KAZMIR DEAL)
RESPONDING TO SUBJECT QUESTION, IF RUMORS OF CRAWFORD’S POTENTIAL AVAILABILITY ARE TRUE, HE’S MY PREFERENCE FOR LF FOR THESE COMPARATIVE CAREER REASONS:
PLAYER DEBUT DOB OBP SLG AVG FLD% HR/YR XBH/YR SB/YR
HOLLIDAY 04/04 01/80 .387 .545 .318 .980 21 57 11
CRAWFORD 07/02 08/81 .335 .437 .295 .991 13 52 50
BAY 05/03 09/78 .376 .519 .280 .988 26 56 9
IN CITIFIELD, STRESSING SPEED & DEFENSE W/GAP HITTING, I’D PREFER CRAWFORD & HIS 10M SALARY FOR 2010 IN LF. HIS CAREER 92 TRIPLES IS NEARLY DOUBLE THE COMBINED CAREER TRIPLES AMASSED BY THE OTHER 2(49)MAKING UP FOR HR DEFECIT.
Crawford would indeed be a perfect fit, but I can’t see them making him available. Aren’t they shopping BJ instead? I’m not sure of either’s contract situation, if anyone could provide it for me that’d be great.
One thing is certain: Joyce and Zobrist (if iwamura is retained) are more than capable of succeeding if given 400+ at bats. I just see the Rays moving Upton instead. Am I wrong?
[...] reading some sites today asking who should the Mets go after Jason Bay or Matt Holliday? Are you kidding? Neither guy is a difference maker plus both will ask for long term deals at big [...]
I agree about them not being difference-makers. I say go after pitching. Two good pitchers will make this team a contender. Let Pagan play left, Delgado first (with Murphy right behind), a couple of kids catching. Three good pitchers + two out of Maine, Pelfrey and the rest. I’ll take this team for 2010.
Pops
This is just a poll. I am not saying I would get either. I think the mets are going nowhere with this management group so why strangle ourselves? Get a good pitcher, fine. Good pitchers are hard to find. But outfielders are a dime a dozen. When we are really capable of doing something, then spend the money on those guys.
MATT: THE UPTON/CRAWFORD CONTRACT INFO(HOPE IT’S LEGIBLE):
Carl Crawford of
4 years/$15.25M (2005-08), plus 2009-10 club options
signed extension 4/05, replacing 1 year/$0.37M deal for 2005 which included a $20,000 bonus for reaching 500 PAs
$0.5M signing bonus
05:$0.5M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4M, 08:$5.25M, 09:$8.25M club option ($2.5M buyout), 10:$10M club option ($1.25M buyout)
B.J. Upton of
1 year/$0.435M (2009)
renewed by Tampa Bay 2/25/09
award bonuses: $10,000 for All Star, $20,000 for Gold Glove
1 year/$0.4121M (2008)
1 year/$0.3869M (2007)
re-signed by Tampa Bay 3/07
drafted 2002 (1-2)
signed 9/02, $4.6M signing bonus (paid over 5 years as 2-sport athlete)
agent: Larry Reynolds
ML service: 2.126
CRAWFORD’S 10M OPTION REPORTEDLY HAS TAMPA THINKING, I’M WONDERING IF THEY’RE HOPING TO STEER CALLERS FOR BJ TOWARDS CRAWFORD’S 10M BY PICKING UP OPTION & DEALUING HIM ala NYY & SHEFF. IF SO HE’S PERFECT FOR CITI IN MY OPINION.
If we kept Angel Pagan in leftfield, and 3/4 of Mets fans would stop viewing Daniel Murphy as the second coming so we could include him in a trade for a real first baseman with tremendous power like Adrian Gonzalez, we wouldn’t have to get any of these guys.
Repeat after me…
Angel Pagan covers more ground in baseball’s largest leftfield than Holliday and Bay put together.
Angel Pagan is speedier and will steal more bases than either of them.
Breaking News! Citi Field was built for speed and defense, qualities you won’t find in Bay or Holliday.
Pagan also had a line of .306 ba, .350 obp, .487 slg. In 343 at-bats he had 39 extra base hits.
Replace Daniel Murphy and LEAVE Angel Pagan in leftfield. Save the $125 million and get Roy Halladay instead.
Pitching…speed…defense… Keep saying it until it sticks in your heads.
I like Angel. I do want to see him play smarter baseball. Is he capable?
RUSS, I BELIEVE ANGEL’S PROBLEM STEMS FROM INEXPERIENCE COMBINED WITH DESPERATION, A VERY DEADLY COMBINATION TO ACTUAL THINKING SMARTLY.
IF U COMBINE ALL OF ANGELS CAREER ABs(752) THEY BARELY SURPASS 1 SEASON FOR REYES(BOTH BEING LAEDOFF TYPES)
ADD TO THAT ANGEL’S FRUSTRATION OF BEING A LATE CUT TYPE (TAXI) PLAYER DESPERATLY TRYING TO IMPRESS & U GET WHAT WE GOT. DUMB PLAYS, SCREAMING FRUSTRATIONS
UNFORTUNATLY HE IS WHAT HE IS AND CONTENDING TEAMS SHOULDN’T TRUCK WITH OJT AS REGULARS(PERSONALLY, MY BIGGEST OMAR COMPLAINT IS TOO MUCH OJT: on the job training)
For the guys who think Murphy stinks, stop saying that you would include him in a deal for a real 1st baseman. If you believe he stinks, he’s got no value.
SHAMS, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR EMPHASIS ON SPEED-DEFENSE-ACREAGE OF CITI & REALIZE THAT BELTRAN’S KNEES CAN’T TAKE ANOTHER SEASON OF FULL OUTFIELD LINE2LINE DEFENSE, THOUGH I TAKE EXCEPTION TO YOUR ANSWER BEING FOURTH OUTFIELD TALENT, PAGAN, AS A STARTING PLAYER. TO ME THE OBVIOUS ANSWER IS CRAWFORD WHO’S 10M TEAM OPTION WEIGHS HEAVILY ON RAYS.
CRAWFORD’S AVERAGED 50SB PER SEASON & IS AN EXCELLENT OPTION TO BAT #2 OR #1 IN CASE REYES’ SURGERY DOESN’T GO AS PLANNED. CRAWFORD’S AVG. OF 15 TRIPLES ALSO BODES VERY WELL FOR CITI DIMENSIONS & BOLSTERS HIS 13HR AVG/SEASON. AN OUTFIELD OF CRAWFORD-BELTRAN-FRANCOUER WAS DESIGNED FOR CITI UNDER THE HEADING “EXTREME DEFENSE”
SHAMSKY…WHY WOULD PASRES DEAL GONZALES? HE’S EXTREMELY UNDER PAID & UNDER CONTROL UNTIL 2011:
Adrian Gonzalez 1b
4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
signed extension with San Diego 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.3805M contract which had been renewed 3/07
$0.5M signing bonus
07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
award bonuses: $50,000 for Gold Glove, $25,000 for All Star selection
2008 All Star selection increased price of 2011 club option to $5.6M
I THINK WE CAN BELIEVE PADRES FRONTOFFICE THAT THEY AREN’T DEALING THIS NATIVE SON! ON THE OTHER HAND FIELDER’S LIKELY AVAILABLE FOR 10.5M
Jason Bay? Matt Holliday? I hear that Randy Winn is a better outfielder than both of them! Hahahahahah…. Haaaaahhhaaa Shouldn’t we be pursuing Randy Winn instead? HAAAAAAhhhaaaaaaa…. HAaaaaaaa I hear that Randy Winn used to be a center fielder last decade so you know he must be good.
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god, you really are dumb aren’t you
They dont need to spend long term dollars.I wouldn’t pay Holliday or Bay over 5 years 85 mill.I’d prefer Figgins to play left at 3year 27-30 mill.Have Pagan as the 4th OF,because Beltran will need time off.Or Derosa for the same money as Figgins.Derosa can also play 1st against tough lefties.But please spend money on he pitching staff.
spot on. $ allocated to pitching. literally, anyone, including mets62fan, can play LF.
MATT, NOT FUNNY; BUT EVEN DISABLED I’D GIVE MURPHY A RUN FOR METS’ MONEY IF NOT HIS. WHAT PASRT OF THE WORD EXPANSIVE DO U NOT COMPREHEND. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY IN LAST CARDS’ SERIES HOLLIDAY DID A FINE MURPHY IMPERSONATION @ CITI. I DON’T REMEMBER THESPECIFICS; BUT NOT HAVING SEEN MUCH OF HIM; BUT HEARING A LOT OF BLOGS EXTOLLING HIM AS “OUR BEST HOPE”, I WAS SHOCKED AT HIS SEEMING INTIMIDATION IN CITI ENOUGH FOR SECOND,THIRD,FOURTH THOUGHTS.
Matt Holliday. Or Carl Crawford.
NO COMPARISON ESP IF WE’RE TALKING SPEED & DEFENSE AS PRIORITIES:
HOLLIDAY AVG 11 SB/YR, CRAWFORD 50.
HOLLIDAY CAREER F% .980, CRAWFORD @ .991
HOLLIDAY COST AT LEAST 5/70 Vs CRAWFORD 1Y @ 10M
you play 82 games on the road as well–will we concede those games because other teams will out-homer us? some outfield defense is nice but how about some infield defense. nobody is worse than us at that. i did not seed other teams suffer from power shortages at citi. we do not hav ethe wrong types of players–we have the wrong players.
JDON; NOT SO CERTAIN WE WEREN’T CAUGHT UP INSIDE A “PERFECT STORM” OF POWERLESSNESS. JERRY’S 80 PITCH DRILL CERTAINLY IMPROVED THE BA BEYOND EXPECTATIONS WHILE SERVING TO DRAIN POWER ALONG WITH ADDED DIMENSIONS OF CITI.THE FINAL .270 TEAM BA WAS TIED WITH LAD FOR #1 IN NL, WHILE THE TEAM’S .278 W/RISP WAS ALONE IN #1 FOR NL. THEY NEED TO ADD 50+HR FOR ‘10 MY PROPOSED ADDITIONS OF FIELDER,CRAWFORD,MOLINA DOES THAT IN SPADES.IN ‘09 THEY COMBINED TO HIT 81 HRS. MORE THAN ENOUGH TO RETURN US TO MEANINGFUL SEASON STATUS AT LEAST.
That 80-pitch hitting drill, proved to be the death knell of the 2009 Mets.
I’m not convinced Holliday is a power hitter. Bay seems to be more of a pure power hitter. I can see the Mets getting Holliday and him never hitting more than a dozen homers a season.
I don’t see the Red Sox letting Bay get away. The Red Sox NEED a power right handed left fielder. Bay seems to be very happy in Boston and appears to be the type of guy who will trade less $$ for security and stability for his growing family. I see the Red Sox signing Bay.
The Cardinals NEED a bat to counter teams pitching around Albert P.
I not familiar with how much money the Cardinals have to spend but I would think that signing a pwer bat is a high priority for them.
I just don’t see the Mets signing either Bay or Holliday.
Carl Crawford- I see the Rays offering Crawford a new long term deal.
The Rays got rid of Kasmir to free up $$$$$. I think Crawford is part of the Rays long term plans.
We need a #2 starting pitcher more than a power right handed bat provided we sign Delgado.
Endy Chavez is a free agent…
WHY? DON’T WE ALREADY HAVE HIS ALTER EGO ANGEL? DIDN’T ENFY SUFFER A HORRIFIC INJURY THEY THOUGH MIGHT END HIS CAREER?
LIFER, GOOD POINTS; BUT WHY ARE RAYS TRYING TO DEAL UPTON? WHO’S STILL VERY AFFORDABLE?:
B.J. Upton of
1 year/$0.435M (2009)
renewed by Tampa Bay 2/25/09
award bonuses: $10,000 for All Star, $20,000 for Gold Glove
1 year/$0.4121M (2008)
1 year/$0.3869M (2007)
re-signed by Tampa Bay 3/07
drafted 2002 (1-2)
signed 9/02, $4.6M signing bonus (paid over 5 years as 2-sport athlete)
agent: Larry Reynolds
ML service: 2.126
IF THEY’RE THAT CONCERNED ABOUT ARBITRATION HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY KEEPING CRAWFORD @ 10M WITH THEIR PROJECTED ‘10 PAYROLL OF 39,183,000?
PERHAPS IT’S TIME TO PUSH THEM THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BE ONE OF OMAR’S FIRST MEETINGS IN DECEMBER. THEY DEALT AWAY KAZMIR, PLAYED TO EMPTY SEATS DURING ‘08 PENANT CHASE, 10M HAS DIFFERENT MEANINGS BASED UPON GEOGRAPHIES.
Hey lets sign Randy Winn I read somewhere tht Winn is a better outfield than Jeff Francour and lets take a look at look at Winn’s 2009 stats.
AVG HR rbi runs
.262 2 51 65
WOW! That Winn is like Luis Castillo playing in right field only Castillo strikes out 60x less a year and hits 40 pts higher. Oh, and scores 30 more runs. NO Matter, Winn is Sooooooooo… much better defensively than Francour.
Hey did you kow that winn played centerfield like 10 years ago so HE mush BE GOOD!
HAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..
“I don’t see the Red Sox letting Bay get away. The Red Sox NEED a power right handed left fielder. Bay seems to be very happy in Boston and appears to be the type of guy who will trade less $$ for security and stability for his growing family. I see the Red Sox signing Bay”
bay’s testing free agency as expected
Remember last year at this time when posters stated that Castillo was done and the Mets needed to sign David Eckstein because he was a gamer or whatever the heck the reason was.. and the calls to get Orlando Hudson.
Where are all those people now? Are these the same people who stubbornly sticking with daniel Murphy after singing his praises all winter? Are these the same persons who advocate Hahahaahahaaa trading Reyes to and getting Chone Figgins now? Hahaha. or playing Randy Winn over Jeff Francouer if they had the chance???
Look over the stats below and then think about the knee jerk calls to trade or other wise get rid of this player or that.
David Eckstein
131games
556chances
228putouts
326assits
2errors
79doubleplays
.996%
.260 64runs 3stolen bases .323obp 168 total bases
Orlando Hudson
145games
692chances
325putouts
359assists
8errors
77doubleplays
.988%
.283 74runs 8stolen bases .357obp 230total bases
Luis Castillo
137games
621chances
266putouts
344assists
11errors
71doubplays
.982%
.302 77runs 20stolen bases .387 168 total bases
While Castillo had a very solid year with the bat, his fielding was atrocious as he has no range left in him. I can live with him for another year or two if we have to.
Fielding Percentage is a bullshit stat
if you walk into any Major League front office siting fielding percentage they will laugh at you
The Mets need to wake up and realize that they were hasty when they called a press conference to announce that Manuel is coming back for 2010. Fire Manuel, sign LaRussa to get Duncan, trade for Halladay if he is willing to sign an extension and sign LaRoche (good glove and bat). If Halladay is not open to an extension, make a big push for either Fielder or Gonzalez. Holliday and Bay are nice players, but not worth what they will command in this weak market. This is a very thin FA market. No one is worth what they will get whereas Halladay, Fielder or Gonzalez are truly exceptional players worth what we will have to give in a trade. If we can’t swing a deal for one of them, I say suck it up and wait for next year when the FA market is much better and our prospects are closer to contributing. Sign someone like Wolf to a 1 year deal and for God’s sake sign Duncan !!!!
U could see Castillo dealt to Det for one of 2 guys on the last year of there deal in either Bonderman or the D-train, there both awful but if u want to deal castillo out that bad and bring Hudson in, that maybe the spot and the team to do it with.
i like this idea.Castillo for Bonderman.He will be a free-agent after the season so he will want to pitch well.Castillo is alright,but we can use Cora and Hernandez at 2nd.Put Murphy at 2nd in Buffalo let him learn the position there.
I think if they deal castillo whether it’s for Bonderman, D-train or another team’s problem, then I think it will be with the intention of signing Orlando Hudson. It will be interesting to see what exactly Hudson’s price tag is, he lost a lot of at bats towards the end of the season and playoffs the minute Ronnie Belliard came aboard and forcing Hudson to the bench.
ANTHONY, WHY WOULD ANYONE PREFER BELLIARD’S UNDERSTUDY OVER CASTILLO. I BELIEVE THE DETRACTORS OF LUIS WANT HIM TO BE THE PLAYER HE ISN’T, HE IS WHAT HE IS A PREMINENT BASRUNNER MOVER. NO HE DOESN’T HIT FOR ANY XTRA BASE POWER WORTH MENTIONING; BUT HE’S GOOD TO BAT EITHER #2 OR #8 WITH A GOOD OBP & VERY FEW Ks. AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME OBVIOUS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PLAYERS, LIKE O-DOG WHO HAS A DEFICIENCY WE CAN’T SEE. CONSIDERING STL COULDN’T PART WITH BELLIARD FAST ENOUGH, GNATS PREFERRED ALMOST ANYONE AT 2B TO BELLIARD, TORRE & LAD FAVOR THAT DISSED BELLIARD OVER HUDSON. THAT SCREAMS OUT AT ME. SORTA LIKE RANDY WOLF BEING ON SO MANY TEAMS IN JUST A FEW YERAS WHLIE LH SPing IS PREMIUM. WOLF & HUDSON ARE 2 PLAYERS I’D STAY CLEAR OF FOR REASONS THAT ARE BOTH OBVIOUS & UNKNOWN. STICK W/LUIS SINCE SOMETIMES THE DEVIL U KNOW IS BEST. MURPHY @ 2B? THOUGHT HIS FAILED TRYOUT IN AZ LEAGUE DISPROVED THAT THEORY ONCE & FOR ALL.
SHAMSKY, THE 80 PITCH DRILL HAD MIXED RESULTS: TGHE GOOD: TEAM BA OF .270 TIED FOR #1 IN NL. TEAM BA W/RISP OF .277 WAS TOPS IN NL. THE BAD: OBVIOUSLY LACK OF HRS
MY HYPOTHISIS IS HR SCARCITY MORE INFLUENCED BY LACK OF BELTRAN & DELGADO ABs THAN CITI OR 80 PITCH DRILL. WHAT FEW REALIZE IS DELGADO PLAYED IN 26G W/94AB HITTING 4HR. TRANSLATES INTO 25HR+ FULL SEASON.
THANKS ‘97; BUT ONE OF THE 2 REASONS FOR THE CAPSLOCK BESIDES BEING A 1 HANDED TYPIST IS A PAROCHIAL SCHO0L EDUCATUION & AN ANAL RETENTIVE MIND MAKING PROPER NOUNS IN LOWER CASE UNBEARABLE. U MAY TAKE NOTE I’VE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE OF SOUND,RATIONAL MIND,LOL; BUT THANKS FOR THE INPUT I’M SURE I’LL MAKE USE OF IT IN OTHER WAYS…’62
no problem, ‘62
Sterling Mets INC ( i hate that name ) was just about wiped out by Manoff, Mr Wilpon and Mr Katz were very greedy and a major investor with Bernie. The stock market at 6000 almost broke them. Don’t look of 1st Tier free agents