Comments on: Could Ike Davis Be Mets 2010 First Baseman?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:40:38 +0000

EXACTLY! AND WHEN COULD BE 2011 AT A TIME THAT THE BIG 1B F/A NAMES ARE AVAILAVLE BERKMAN,PUJOLS. WHEN F/A $$$ ARE SO HIGH AS TO MAKE TRADING TOO MANY PROSPECTS SEEM LIKE A BARGAIN. MU POINT IS THERE IS ABSOLURTLY NO INCENTIVE TO TRADE HIM THIS OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF NEXT. HELL, OMAR COULD SAY THE SAME IF/WHEN CRAP RE. SANTANA.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:30:17 +0000

JONATHAN, MILWALKEE KNOWS THEY’RE IN A BIND ON FIELDER, HE’S SIGNED ONLY THROUGH ’10 @ WHAT NYers VIEW AS AN EASILY AFFORDABLE 10.5M; BUT CONSIDERING THE CREWS’ TOTAL PAYROLL FOR ’09 WAS 80.2M (17th HIGHEST)& THEIR ’10 PAYROLL COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW IS 38,813,000 INCL PRINCE’S 10.5 OR APPROX ONE QUARTER OF TOTAL PAYROLL COMMITMENT. EVEN THOUGH HE ISN’T QUALIFIED FOR F/A AFTER THIS CONTRACT, AN ARBITRATION HEARING WITH BORAS REPRESENTING THOSE STATS HAS TO BE VIEWED IN TYHE SAME LIGHT. AN AWARD BET 15-25M IS CERTAINLY NOT UNFORSEEABLE; AND UNTENABLE FOR A MIDMARKET CLUB. WITH YANKEES SET @ 1B WITH TEIXIERA UNTIL ’16 @ 22.5M & BOSTON DROPPING THEIR PAYROLL OUT OF TOP 3. IT’S OBVIOUS BORAS WILL USE HIS YANKEE 1B CLIENT AS A BASIS FOR COMPARISON WITH THE ARBITOR. MILWALKEE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF A MKT FOR A 20M/YR SLUGGER. CONSIDER IN ’09 ONE THIRD OF ALL FRANCHISES HAD PAYROLLS @ OR BELOW 75M. I’M CERTAINLY NOT AS SMART A BASEBALL EXEC AS BOB MELVIN. I’M CERTAIN HE SEES ALL THAT &, I BELIEVE, A TEAM IN THAT POSITION THAT FINISHED THE ’09 SEASON WITH THE HIGHEST ROTATIONAL ERA & WHO’S TOP SP (LOOPER) HAS A CLUB OPTION FOR 6M HE’S RUMORED TO DECLINE TO TEST F/A ALL OF THIS FACTORS INTO A FAVORABLE POSITION FOR PURSUING FIELDER IF U HAVE ‘EXPERIENCED’ AFFORDABLE,CONTROLLABLE SP TO DEAL. MELVIN ALSO VOICED HIS WILLINGNEST TO PART WITH HIS TOP PROSPECT TO ACQUIRE SPing. BY NOT REQUIRING THAT PROSPECT IT’S TANTAMOUNT TO BREWS RECEIVING HIM IN RETURN.

By: Jonathan C

Jonathan C — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:24 +0000

I don’t think Delgado dogged it at all, I think he wasn’t 100% healthy and he is a notoriously slow starter, but he can carry the team. He can put the team on his back and carry for stretches.

Something we sorely missed with him and Reyes sidelined.

By: Des

Des — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:44 +0000

I’m not sure what Delgado will do next year. He’s no youngster and he’s not the most flexible guy in the world. If he can play a whole lot he probably will, but I also remember how he dogged it while playing for Willie, when he went home with a clean uniform almost every day. He was making a ton of money yet he dogged it. It almost certainly was Carlos’ attitude, because when Jerry showed up, so did Carlos.

Also, I think Carlos Delgado is a defensive liability. Maybe to light a fire under him, or maybe as a candid observation, Willie wanted to use defensive replacements in the eighth and ninth innings. So if Carlos loses more defensive range, he might not get to bat as much.

(P.S.: What I’ve said doesn’t mean I don’t find him a pleasant, nice guy. I’m talking only about his guaranteed productivity and the fire in his belly.)

By: Jonathan C

Jonathan C — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:50:14 +0000

Prince will cost us too much in talent & contract, so will AG from SD for that matter. But, I think Prince would cost more and Adrian is a better defender.

I also think that anybody we get should be as proficient with the glove as they are with the bat. Man, did I love John Olerud.

By: Jonathan C

Jonathan C — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:45:06 +0000

I hear ya.

But, the info came from the Ex-Padre GM, who said it’s not IF he gets traded it’s WHEN.

If anybody should know it should be him.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:57 +0000

LIFER, U MAKE SOME SENSE; BUT SO DO THOSE WHO APPARENTLY SCOPED OUT THE 1B F/A POOL & FOUND MUD. TO STAND PAT WITH MURPHY,DAVIS @ 1B IS LUDICROUS & SELF DEFEATING. THERE IS ONLY ONE POTENTIAL,AFFORDABLE SOLUTION FOR 1B: PRINCE FIELDER.
PRINCE IS UNDER CONTRACT FOR 2010 @ 10.5M & ARBITRATION ELIGIBLE FOR ’11 Vs SCOTT BORAS. MILW FOR ALL THEIR DENIALS OF MKTING HIM CAN’T AFFORD A RECORD SETTING ARBITRATION AWARD FOR A GUESTEMATED 20M. DEALING A 1B @ THAT LEVEL WOULD BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, NYY AREN’T INTERESTED, NOR NYM, BOS, CHC, DET OR PHL. MILW GM PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED A GOAL TO ADD 2 “EXPERIENCED” ROTATION ARMS TO WORK WITH THEIR NEW PITCHING COACH, RICK PETERSON. I STILL THINK WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF PROVEN 3 THRU 5 ROTATION ARMS IN PEREZ,PELFREY, MAINE, NIEVE, NIESE, MISCH. IF I’M NYM I CORNER BOB MELVIN IN WINTER MEETINGS & DON’T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER. FOR 2011, I’D CROSS THAT ARBITRATION BRIDGE WHEN I CAME TO IT. THE F/A CANDIDATES ARE BETTER & DEEPER @ 1B IN ADDITION TO DAVIS HAVING MORE EXPERIENCE. POTENTIAL 2011 1B F/As:
* – player whose current contract includes 2011 option

Player Club
First Basemen
Lance Berkman HOU *
Wes Helms FLA
Jason Giambi COL
Ross Gload FLA
Paul Konerko CWS
Derrek Lee CHC
David Ortiz BOS *
Lyle Overbay TOR
Carlos Pena TB
Albert Pujols STL *
I STILL THINK A PKG BUILT AROUND A NUCLEUS OF PELFREY & MAINE WOULD GET MILW ATTENTION. I’D EVEN THROW IN MURPHY IF I ABSOLUTELY HAD TO. WITH ONLY 10.5M INVESTED IN 40+HR @ 1B NYM COULD STILL SHOP FOR OTHER HOLE FILLERS LIKE LF, #2SP,#1C I WOULD MAKE THEM SAY NO UNTIL I HAD TO SAY NO.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:54 +0000

CAPSLOCK=DISABILITY ACCOMODATION
JONATHAN, WHEREVER U HEARD GONZALES WAS POSSIBLY BEING MOVED IS A SOURCE U WANT TO IGNORE. GONZALES IS A ‘NATIVE SON’ ‘FRANCHISE FACE’ @ REASONABLE RATES FOR SD. WHEN THEY SAY HE’S NOT BEING MOVED I’D TAKE THAT AS GOSPEL MUCH THE SAME WAY U’D SCOFF AT ANOTHER TEAM’S FAN SUGGESTING ACQUIRING D.WRIGHT. SD HAD THE 29th PAYROLL IN ’09. GONZALES IS UNDER CONTRACT FOR BOTH ’10 & ’11(OPTION) FOR $10,350,000 COMBINED WITH NO BUYOUT.HE’S IN THE MIDDLE OF A 4Y/9.5M CONTRACT. DETAILS:
Adrian Gonzalez 1b

4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option

signed extension with San Diego 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.3805M contract which had been renewed 3/07

$0.5M signing bonus
07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
award bonuses: $50,000 for Gold Glove, $25,000 for All Star selection
2008 All Star selection increased price of 2011 club option to $5.6M

1 year/$0.3275M (2006)
re-signed by San Diego 2/06
1 year/$0.316M (2005)

re-signed by San Diego 2/05 (split contract, $76,400 in minors)

drafted 2000 (1-1)
$3M signing bonus
agent: John Boggs
ML service: 3.108

By: Lifelongmersfan

Lifelongmersfan — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:50:10 +0000

Des,
Do you honestly think that Carlos Delgado will hit less than .260 have less than 12 home runs and 63 rbi’s if he plays in 2010?
In all honesty if Delgado plays in 125 games in 2010 what do you think his numbers will be? Lets put you on the spot.. put yourself out there.
The Mets NEED one player in the lineup in 2010 who can give us 25-30 home runs and 100+ rbi’s. If not.. we’re not winning.

By: Joel Then

Joel Then — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:33:33 +0000

Nevermind, apparently the Mets moved him to the outfield…

By: Joel Then

Joel Then — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:22:38 +0000

What ever happened to Lucas Duda?

By: Des

Des — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:54:39 +0000

Good post!

By: Des

Des — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:52:37 +0000

With your presumptivness and dismissivenes, you’re ready for a job with the New York Post or Daily News.

Let’s get real, nothing is known until Davis plays against curves and sliders thrown with command and intention.

Until then, all the rhetoric of ‘easily’ and ‘of course he would’ about Davis and Delgado is speculation. Let’s remember, Davis has a learning curve ahead and Delgado is likely a diminishing talent.

By: steve

steve — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:20:53 +0000

I really hope the Mets dont rush this kid.There is nothing wrong with being patient,let the kids move up 1 year at a time.Davis,Thole,FMart and Tejada should all start in Buffalo.

By: Lifelongmetsfan

Lifelongmetsfan — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:20:40 +0000

If Ike Davis played 1st base every day for the Mets in 2010 would he hit better than:

.260 12home runs 63rbi’s 60runs scored

Yes. Easily.
But at what cost Davis’s long term development?

If Carlos Delgado played 1st base for the New York Mets in 2010
would he hit better than?
.260 12home runs 63 rbi’s 60runs scored
Of course he would!

For the love of God why can’t we sign Delgado to an incentive laden 2 yr contract and allow Davis to have one full year at AAA to develop?

By: metsfansforever

metsfansforever — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:31:01 +0000

Keep this in mind, as great as Davis has been he still has yet to hit a breaking pitch in the AFL. However in my opinion, there is a 99% that we will see Davis in Queens before the all-star break.

By: Tommy2cat

Tommy2cat — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:42 +0000

Patience is required in any discussion about Ike Davis. It would appear that his 2009 performance is more relevant than his dreadful 2008 showing, both in terms of recency and what he historically provides.

The organization needs to determine its immediate goals – does it want a 1984 version of Mets, a young core developing from within the organization, or the 1998-2000 Mets, a collection of free agents that developed really good chemistry.

I prefer the 1984 version, and would wait for our younger players to develop rather than lop on large contract after large contract. And should Jerry Manuel become more talk than substance, I would hand Wally Backman the keys to the club.

From this perspective, there’s really no room for the one-year stopgap such as Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche. Nick is too injury prone and LaRoche would require a longer commitment. Somehow, I don’t see LaRoche sitting on the same bench as Carlos Beltran.

I like Ike, but he appears to be at least one year away. He reminds me favorably of Shawn Green in his make-up. I like Daniel Murphy, too. He reminds me of Charlie Hustle, alot. There should always be a place for him on our ballclub. Too bad he wasn’t developed to be a catcher.

So I’d probably let Murphy play a full season at first base, allow Ike develop his skills and review the plan at the All Star break, and make any further moves based upon each player’s performance.

By: Mets faithful

Mets faithful — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:46:53 +0000

Ya we can give them the whole double A team. lol

By: Jonathan C

Jonathan C — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:35:27 +0000

Any chances of us getting Adrian Gonzalez? That would be better than getting Holliday for LF

By: fredisright

fredisright — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:28 +0000

I still like Murphy. After his big slump he improved a lot. In Sept he was so good that it sure looked like he would be close to a 300 hitter, and with the long ball.

Who’s to say that he will not even do better then he did in the last two months of 09 next year.

He tries so hard and he is sure is young enough to improve his game in the field and AB.