Comments on: If Citi Field Is A Pitchers Park Why Not Go After Top Pitchers? http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html A New York Mets Blog For Diehard Mets Fans Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:54:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31496 METS62FAN Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:40:34 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31496 FRANK, I'M NOT GOING TO BELITTLE; BUT WILL ASSUME U WERE IN A COMA WHEN THEY'D ALREADY SENT MURPH TO AZ FALLBALL TO LEARN 2B LAST YR, WHERE HE WAS A DISMAL FAILURE. PERHAPS U MAY WANT TO SEND BOBO THE CIRCUS ELEPHANT TO BALLET NEXT? JUST AS ONLY A FOOL WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED PIAZZA TO 1B WAS EVER AN OPTION, MURPH TO 2B IS EQUALLY DOOMED. THE BETTER/SMARTER MOVE WOULD BE TO GET HIM MORE POLISHED AT 3B WHERE I UNDERSTABND WAS CONSIDERED A BUTCHER BY B-METS FANS. PERHAPS MORE POLISH @ 1B, LORD KNOWS HE NEEDS IT. RATHER THAN DENIGRATE UTLEY, PERHAPS THE BETTER CHOICE OF 'U' NAMES WOULD'VE BEEN UGGLA?(ARE U REALLY RECOVERED FROM THAT COMA?) FRANK, I’M NOT GOING TO BELITTLE; BUT WILL ASSUME U WERE IN A COMA WHEN THEY’D ALREADY SENT MURPH TO AZ FALLBALL TO LEARN 2B LAST YR, WHERE HE WAS A DISMAL FAILURE. PERHAPS U MAY WANT TO SEND BOBO THE CIRCUS ELEPHANT TO BALLET NEXT? JUST AS ONLY A FOOL WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED PIAZZA TO 1B WAS EVER AN OPTION, MURPH TO 2B IS EQUALLY DOOMED. THE BETTER/SMARTER MOVE WOULD BE TO GET HIM MORE POLISHED AT 3B WHERE I UNDERSTABND WAS CONSIDERED A BUTCHER BY B-METS FANS. PERHAPS MORE POLISH @ 1B, LORD KNOWS HE NEEDS IT. RATHER THAN DENIGRATE UTLEY, PERHAPS THE BETTER CHOICE OF ‘U’ NAMES WOULD’VE BEEN UGGLA?(ARE U REALLY RECOVERED FROM THAT COMA?)

]]> By: frank62 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31492 frank62 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:16:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31492 Pitching and Defense are 2 priorites to a winning club....offense fills the seats and create the excitement....mets need a balance of both....1 more started and a big bat a 1st, send Murp to winter ball/minors and teach him 2nd base...if Chase Utley can play it so can Murp Pitching and Defense are 2 priorites to a winning club….offense fills the seats and create the excitement….mets need a balance of both….1 more started and a big bat a 1st, send Murp to winter ball/minors and teach him 2nd base…if Chase Utley can play it so can Murp

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31328 METS62FAN Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31328 SC, I WAS RELAYING THE GENERAL IMPRESSION I CAME AWAY WITH. I DON'T PLAY FANTASY I PUT LITTLE STOCK IN MOST OF THESE NEWER, SO-CALLED 'TELLING' STATS, AS A BASBALL FAN FOR MORE THAN 50 YRS, I PREFER MY OWN IMPRESSIONS & I'LL TELL U AS SOMEONE NOT ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH HOLLIDAY OTHER THAN HIS GERNERAL HARD BACK-OF-THE-CARD NUMBERS, I WAS SHOCKED BY WHAT I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS TIMIDITY OR UNSUREDNESS FROM WATCHING HIS ROUTES & DEMEANOR IN CITI'S LF(THE MOST COMPARABLE OUTFIELD DIMENSIONS IN MLB ARE AT COORS FIELD. IN MY ATTEMPT TO RESEARCH HARD NUMBERS FOR THIS RESPONSE, I COULDN'T HERLP BUT NOTICE THE TREMERNDOUS NUMBER OF LF ERRORS HE MADE DURING HIS YRS W/ROCKS. UNLIKE OTHERS I'M NOT ALL THAT CONVINCED HIS POWER PRODUCTION WILL TRASNSLATE WELL AT SEALEVEL IN CITI AT SEALEVEL I'M NOT CONVINCED HE HAS A BETTER HR PRODUCTION CAPABILITY AS (PRE-'09)WRIGHT OR EVEN FRANCOUER. SC, I WAS RELAYING THE GENERAL IMPRESSION I CAME AWAY WITH. I DON’T PLAY FANTASY I PUT LITTLE STOCK IN MOST OF THESE NEWER, SO-CALLED ‘TELLING’ STATS, AS A BASBALL FAN FOR MORE THAN 50 YRS, I PREFER MY OWN IMPRESSIONS & I’LL TELL U AS SOMEONE NOT ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH HOLLIDAY OTHER THAN HIS GERNERAL HARD BACK-OF-THE-CARD NUMBERS, I WAS SHOCKED BY WHAT I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS TIMIDITY OR UNSUREDNESS FROM WATCHING HIS ROUTES & DEMEANOR IN CITI’S LF(THE MOST COMPARABLE OUTFIELD DIMENSIONS IN MLB ARE AT COORS FIELD. IN MY ATTEMPT TO RESEARCH HARD NUMBERS FOR THIS RESPONSE, I COULDN’T HERLP BUT NOTICE THE TREMERNDOUS NUMBER OF LF ERRORS HE MADE DURING HIS YRS W/ROCKS. UNLIKE OTHERS I’M NOT ALL THAT CONVINCED HIS POWER PRODUCTION WILL TRASNSLATE WELL AT SEALEVEL IN CITI AT SEALEVEL I’M NOT CONVINCED HE HAS A BETTER HR PRODUCTION CAPABILITY AS (PRE-’09)WRIGHT OR EVEN FRANCOUER.

]]> By: SC http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31306 SC Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:31:59 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31306 Mets62fan, how in the world do you claim Holliday "looked" intimidated at Citi? Did you have binoculars trained on his face througout the game? Or perhaps you're just that good a judge of character from the 2 seconds on camera time on his face while he was catching a ball. The man plays solid defense and after a few days practicing on the field, he'll be just the upgrade we need. Mets62fan, how in the world do you claim Holliday “looked” intimidated at Citi? Did you have binoculars trained on his face througout the game? Or perhaps you’re just that good a judge of character from the 2 seconds on camera time on his face while he was catching a ball. The man plays solid defense and after a few days practicing on the field, he’ll be just the upgrade we need.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31261 METS62FAN Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:45:21 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31261 MASK, YOU ARE MIXING GENERATIONS WITH YOUR SUPOSED 'MODEL' ROTATION. WAY BENEATH YOU. VERY DISAPPOINTING! MASK, YOU ARE MIXING GENERATIONS WITH YOUR SUPOSED ‘MODEL’ ROTATION. WAY BENEATH YOU. VERY DISAPPOINTING!

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31260 METS62FAN Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:37:13 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31260 CHRIS, WHETHER BREWS WOULD MAKE THAT DEAL OR NOT ISN'T THE ISSUE. THEY'LL NEED TO DEAL HIM SOONER MORE THAN LATER. IF THEY WAIT TO NEXT OFFSEASON, HIS VALUE PLUMERTS DUE TO ARBITRATION HEARING Vs BORAS AS FIRST ISSUE BEFORE GAME 1. THE MKTPLACE FOR A 20M PER 1B IS VERY SLIM ESP CONSIDERING MORE THAN 2/3 OF CLUBS STILL HAVE PAYROLLS UNDER 100M. THERE AREN'T A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR BREWS TO ACQUIRE 2 "EXPERIENCED" SP AT A PRICE THEY WILL PAY. ATL IS LOOKING TO DEAL LOWE; BUT OUT OF MILW SCALE. CHRIS, WHETHER BREWS WOULD MAKE THAT DEAL OR NOT ISN’T THE ISSUE. THEY’LL NEED TO DEAL HIM SOONER MORE THAN LATER. IF THEY WAIT TO NEXT OFFSEASON, HIS VALUE PLUMERTS DUE TO ARBITRATION HEARING Vs BORAS AS FIRST ISSUE BEFORE GAME 1. THE MKTPLACE FOR A 20M PER 1B IS VERY SLIM ESP CONSIDERING MORE THAN 2/3 OF CLUBS STILL HAVE PAYROLLS UNDER 100M.

THERE AREN’T A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR BREWS TO ACQUIRE 2 “EXPERIENCED” SP AT A PRICE THEY WILL PAY. ATL IS LOOKING TO DEAL LOWE; BUT OUT OF MILW SCALE.

]]> By: Chris http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31221 Chris Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:23:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31221 Maybe Holliday "looked" intimidated... but he plays good defense. Olerud was a good fielding 1B, but Alfonso, Ordonez, and Ventura were also good defensively. Miles ahead of Castillo, Cora/Valdez/Hernandez, and Wright. Rotations need to be more than 6 deep. And there are serious problems when this includes Tim Redding and Big Fatty. Not to mention Oliver Perez being paid way too much money (and then imploding). The Mets should have done a much better job building the rotation last season, with many cheap options available (Garland, Wolf). No chance Brewers make that trade. Maybe Holliday “looked” intimidated… but he plays good defense.

Olerud was a good fielding 1B, but Alfonso, Ordonez, and Ventura were also good defensively. Miles ahead of Castillo, Cora/Valdez/Hernandez, and Wright.

Rotations need to be more than 6 deep. And there are serious problems when this includes Tim Redding and Big Fatty. Not to mention Oliver Perez being paid way too much money (and then imploding). The Mets should have done a much better job building the rotation last season, with many cheap options available (Garland, Wolf).

No chance Brewers make that trade.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31211 METS62FAN Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:23:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31211 CHRIS, LOUSY INFIELD? TRY LOUSY 1B BY COMMITTEE. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN NYY & OLERUD'S NYM TO SEE THE EFFECT A QUALITY FIELDING 1B DOES FOR ANY INFIELD'S DEF #s. SORRY, BUT I BELIEVE HOLLIDAY WILTS IN CITI, WEREN'T U SEEING HOW INTIMIDATED HE APPEARED IN VAST LF WHEN HE WAS IN LATE THIS SEASON? I WAS SHOCKED! I'VE AN ISSUE WITH ANY JUDGING OF THE NYM' PITCHING ROTATION AFTER SANTANA IN '09. WHAT ROTATION? LET'S RECAP: BROKE ST WITH A ROTATION THAT WAS SIPPOSED TO BE SANTANA, PELFREY, PEREZ, MAINE, REDDING AND WAS QUICKLY DECIMATED BY 3 DOWN IN PEREZ, MAINE, REDDING. SO UNLESS U BELIEVE SANTANA,PELFREY, TBD,TBD,HERNANDEZ WAS THE ACTUAL PLANNED SCHEME YOU CAN'T VALIDLY QUANTIFY THE ROTATION ANY MORE THAN BY SAYING NYM SS SUCKS BY LOOKING AT CORA, VALDEZ. AS I'VE STATED MANY TIMES, I'D LOOK TO ACCOMODATE BREWS STATED DESIRE FOR 2 'EXPERIENCED' SP WITH BOTH PETERSON HONOR STUDENTS, PELFREY & MAINE HOPFULLY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR SOON TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE 1B.WHILE NYMFANS MAY NOT VALUE THOSE 2 AS OFFERUING MUCH, REALIZE THEY EACH WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ALL BUT 1 OF THE CURRENT MLW ROTATION. INK LACKEY & MARQUIS AS THE REPLACEMENTS FOR A ROTATION OF SANTANA,LACKEY,MARQUIS, TBD,TBD. HOW IS LACKEY GETTING STRATOSPHERIC DOLLARS WITHOUT EITHER NYY OR BOSOX PLAYING? ATL IS SHOPPING LOWE TO KEEP HUDDY. NOT A TON OF INTEREST FOR THAT REDICULOUS CONTRACT. PHL HAS NEVER 'PLAYED' WITH THE BIG BOYS RE. F/As CHRIS, LOUSY INFIELD? TRY LOUSY 1B BY COMMITTEE. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN NYY & OLERUD’S NYM TO SEE THE EFFECT A QUALITY FIELDING 1B DOES FOR ANY INFIELD’S DEF #s. SORRY, BUT I BELIEVE HOLLIDAY WILTS IN CITI, WEREN’T U SEEING HOW INTIMIDATED HE APPEARED IN VAST LF WHEN HE WAS IN LATE THIS SEASON? I WAS SHOCKED!
I’VE AN ISSUE WITH ANY JUDGING OF THE NYM’ PITCHING ROTATION AFTER SANTANA IN ‘09. WHAT ROTATION? LET’S RECAP:
BROKE ST WITH A ROTATION THAT WAS SIPPOSED TO BE SANTANA, PELFREY, PEREZ, MAINE, REDDING AND WAS QUICKLY DECIMATED BY 3 DOWN IN PEREZ, MAINE, REDDING. SO UNLESS U BELIEVE SANTANA,PELFREY, TBD,TBD,HERNANDEZ WAS THE ACTUAL PLANNED SCHEME YOU CAN’T VALIDLY QUANTIFY THE ROTATION ANY MORE THAN BY SAYING NYM SS SUCKS BY LOOKING AT CORA, VALDEZ.
AS I’VE STATED MANY TIMES, I’D LOOK TO ACCOMODATE BREWS STATED DESIRE FOR 2 ‘EXPERIENCED’ SP WITH BOTH PETERSON HONOR STUDENTS, PELFREY & MAINE HOPFULLY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR SOON TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE 1B.WHILE NYMFANS MAY NOT VALUE THOSE 2 AS OFFERUING MUCH, REALIZE THEY EACH WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ALL BUT 1 OF THE CURRENT MLW ROTATION. INK LACKEY & MARQUIS AS THE REPLACEMENTS FOR A ROTATION OF SANTANA,LACKEY,MARQUIS, TBD,TBD.
HOW IS LACKEY GETTING STRATOSPHERIC DOLLARS WITHOUT EITHER NYY OR BOSOX PLAYING? ATL IS SHOPPING LOWE TO KEEP HUDDY. NOT A TON OF INTEREST FOR THAT REDICULOUS CONTRACT. PHL HAS NEVER ‘PLAYED’ WITH THE BIG BOYS RE. F/As

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31181 theonlymaskman Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:14:05 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31181 Good article Greg. It points out the flaw in the Mets strategy. They built a Pitcher's Park in the misguided belief that their current staff was comparable to the traditional Mets staffs. However, a staff with Ollie, Maine, Pelrey and Redding is not the likes of Seaver, Koosman, Matlack, Gooden, and the other Met greats of the past. It just tells me that Mets mgmt has no idea how bad their pitching staff was and still is especially with Warthen in charge. In reality, our Pitcher's Park only helps our opponents aces bury us in our own house. Match that with our Small Ball approach and we get buried on the road when we visit the Hitter's Parks. There is no indication that mgmt even understands this yet, and so unfortunately, the future does not yet show any improvement over the horizon. Until we pick up some real pitchers and get some power in the lineup, we will stay in competition for the cellar. Good article Greg. It points out the flaw in the Mets strategy. They built a Pitcher’s Park in the misguided belief that their current staff was comparable to the traditional Mets staffs. However, a staff with Ollie, Maine, Pelrey and Redding is not the likes of Seaver, Koosman, Matlack, Gooden, and the other Met greats of the past. It just tells me that Mets mgmt has no idea how bad their pitching staff was and still is especially with Warthen in charge. In reality, our Pitcher’s Park only helps our opponents aces bury us in our own house. Match that with our Small Ball approach and we get buried on the road when we visit the Hitter’s Parks. There is no indication that mgmt even understands this yet, and so unfortunately, the future does not yet show any improvement over the horizon. Until we pick up some real pitchers and get some power in the lineup, we will stay in competition for the cellar.

]]> By: Chris http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/10/citi-field-is-a-pitchers-park-why-are-the-mets-not-going-after-top-pitchers.html/comment-page-1#comment-31170 Chris Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:06:34 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=15090#comment-31170 That said, I wouldn't complain if they signed Lackey after signing Holliday. That said, I wouldn’t complain if they signed Lackey after signing Holliday.

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