Comments on: The Uncertain State Of The Mets – Part 1 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1 Fri, 25 May 2012 15:47:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29354 Ace Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:38:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29354 Look man, I'm done arguing with you about Omar. if you want to rationalize keeping him on based on the W/L, fine. I prefer basing my reasons for firing him on results or lack thereof, such as pennants, world series appearances,etc. Many have tried to reason with you regarding how horrible Omar is and you continue to stick your head in the sand and "hope for the best". I find you completely unreasonable. I'm done responding to you CAPSLOCK, maybe Mask will continue to show you patience. Look man, I’m done arguing with you about Omar. if you want to rationalize keeping him on based on the W/L, fine. I prefer basing my reasons for firing him on results or lack thereof, such as pennants, world series appearances,etc. Many have tried to reason with you regarding how horrible Omar is and you continue to stick your head in the sand and “hope for the best”. I find you completely unreasonable. I’m done responding to you CAPSLOCK, maybe Mask will continue to show you patience.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29353 METS62FAN Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:36:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29353 ACE, SPEAKING WITHIN REALM OF REALITY, DO U REALIZE THE OWNERSHIP COMMITTEE MUST APPROVE ANY OWNERSHIP TRANSFER? THE METS, BY BEING BIGGER SPENDERS THAN MOST, ARE CERTAINLY A TEAM COMPETITVE OWNERS WOULD WANT TO CURTAIL THE SPENDING OF. REALITY DICTATES THERE IS ABSOF***INGPOSITIVELY NO WAY THEY APPROVE THE TEAM BEING SOLD TO ANYONE THEY PERCEIVE TO BE A FREER SPENDER THAN THE WILPONS. SEE MARK CUBAN'S FAILED ATTEMPT AT GAINING APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE CUBS. CERTAINLY I'D LOVE TO SEE A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP BEHAVIOR IF NOT OWNERSHIP. TO CONDEMN AN EMPLOYEE FOR THE PRACTICES & POLICIES OF HIS EMPLOYER IS LUDICROUS, RATHER AN EMPLOYEE WHO PUSHES THE EDGE OF THE COMPANY ENVELOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SECOND HIGHEST W% OF ANY PREDECESSOR, SHOULD BE CELEBRATED FOR WHAT HE'S DONE, NOT CONDEMNED FOR WHAT HE COULDN'T DO. IF ANYONE BELIEVES THAT A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER WITH A SCVANDALOUS PAST HAS ANY CHANCE OF EVER DONNING BLUE & ORANGE IN FLUSHING THEY HAVEN'T PAID ANY ATTENTION & ARE GULLIBLE. NOT ONLY PLAYERS; BUT MNGRS ALSO(BACKMAN,VALENTINE.)HELL, THE WILPONS SUSPENDED THEIR GM(PHILLIPS, FOR A YR FOR A PERSONAL, PRIVATE LIFE MATTER(INFIDELITY) SOME THINK THEIR GOING OUT & HIRING A DRUNKEN WIFE BEATER? OR A GUY WITH A HISTORY OF BAD-MOUTHING HIS EMPLOYERS IN THE MEDIA? PERSONALLY, I'M REALLY NOT INTO "THE BLAME GAME" I NEVER BOO ANY PLAYER ON MY TEAM WHO'S ACTUALLY TRYING. THE ONLY NYM PLAYER I BELIEVE DESERVED THAT TREATMENT @ HOME WERE ROGER CEDENO, BOBBY BONILLA,RICKEY HENDERSON, VINCE COLEMAN. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS; BUT THAT'S OFF THE TOP. SINCE I DON'T LIVE WITH NYC VICINITY, IS THERE ANYONE WHO POINT TO FORMER PERENIAL CONTENDERS LIKE PITTSBURGH,CINCINATTI,KC,ATLANTA OWNERSHIP APPRECIATIVLY? THEIR OWNERS GUTTED THEIR CONTENDING ROSTERS PURELY FOR FINANCIAL GAINS. HOW MANY TOP NOTCH FREE AGENTS DID THEY ALLW TO WALK OR DEALT AWAY IN ORDER TO SAVE A BUCK OR TWO? NYM? ACE, SPEAKING WITHIN REALM OF REALITY, DO U REALIZE THE OWNERSHIP COMMITTEE MUST APPROVE ANY OWNERSHIP TRANSFER? THE METS, BY BEING BIGGER SPENDERS THAN MOST, ARE CERTAINLY A TEAM COMPETITVE OWNERS WOULD WANT TO CURTAIL THE SPENDING OF. REALITY DICTATES THERE IS ABSOF***INGPOSITIVELY NO WAY THEY APPROVE THE TEAM BEING SOLD TO ANYONE THEY PERCEIVE TO BE A FREER SPENDER THAN THE WILPONS. SEE MARK CUBAN’S FAILED ATTEMPT AT GAINING APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE CUBS. CERTAINLY I’D LOVE TO SEE A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP BEHAVIOR IF NOT OWNERSHIP. TO CONDEMN AN EMPLOYEE FOR THE PRACTICES & POLICIES OF HIS EMPLOYER IS LUDICROUS, RATHER AN EMPLOYEE WHO PUSHES THE EDGE OF THE COMPANY ENVELOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SECOND HIGHEST W% OF ANY PREDECESSOR, SHOULD BE CELEBRATED FOR WHAT HE’S DONE, NOT CONDEMNED FOR WHAT HE COULDN’T DO.
IF ANYONE BELIEVES THAT A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER WITH A SCVANDALOUS PAST HAS ANY CHANCE OF EVER DONNING BLUE & ORANGE IN FLUSHING THEY HAVEN’T PAID ANY ATTENTION & ARE GULLIBLE. NOT ONLY PLAYERS; BUT MNGRS ALSO(BACKMAN,VALENTINE.)HELL, THE WILPONS SUSPENDED THEIR GM(PHILLIPS, FOR A YR FOR A PERSONAL, PRIVATE LIFE MATTER(INFIDELITY) SOME THINK THEIR GOING OUT & HIRING A DRUNKEN WIFE BEATER? OR A GUY WITH A HISTORY OF BAD-MOUTHING HIS EMPLOYERS IN THE MEDIA? PERSONALLY, I’M REALLY NOT INTO “THE BLAME GAME” I NEVER BOO ANY PLAYER ON MY TEAM WHO’S ACTUALLY TRYING. THE ONLY NYM PLAYER I BELIEVE DESERVED THAT TREATMENT @ HOME WERE ROGER CEDENO, BOBBY BONILLA,RICKEY HENDERSON, VINCE COLEMAN. I’M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS; BUT THAT’S OFF THE TOP.
SINCE I DON’T LIVE WITH NYC VICINITY, IS THERE ANYONE WHO POINT TO FORMER PERENIAL CONTENDERS LIKE PITTSBURGH,CINCINATTI,KC,ATLANTA OWNERSHIP APPRECIATIVLY? THEIR OWNERS GUTTED THEIR CONTENDING ROSTERS PURELY FOR FINANCIAL GAINS. HOW MANY TOP NOTCH FREE AGENTS DID THEY ALLW TO WALK OR DEALT AWAY IN ORDER TO SAVE A BUCK OR TWO? NYM?

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29350 METS62FAN Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:07:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29350 ACE, FIRST OFF, I MAKE MY OWN VALUATIONS AND TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA IS W-L, IF U HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE, I;LL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT ONE ADVANTAGE I HAVE IS I'M PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN NC, FAR FROM WFAN RECEPTION, THOGH I DO GET SNY & YES RECEPTION ON MY DIRECTV CONNECTION. AS SUCH I'M FAIRLY INSULATED FROM THE CRIES OF THE ANGRY TORCHBEARERS. TO THOSE WHO FAULT OMAR FOR NOT ACQUIRING LEE,DeROSA OR HOLIDAY, I'M BEMUSED BY THEIR WILLINGNESS TO THROW MORE MILLIONS DOWN THE D/L RATHOLE. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, STARTING WITH A GUARANTEED PAYROLL OF $149M, GETTING RID OF NOTHING SIGNIFICANT & ADDING 14M EACH FOR HALLADAY & HOLLIDAY AS WELL AS THE SALARIES OF OTHER "WONDER" SOLUTIONS WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THE TEAM INTO A POSTSAESON BERTH. NOT EVEN IF THEY COULD'VE ADDED LINCECUM & PUJOLS. WITH TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT OF REYES' ADDITIONAL INJURY TO HAMSTRING MUSCLE. I BELIEVE IT'S CLEAR, BEYOND DOUBT THE ENTIRE TRAINING STAFF SHOULD BE FIRED. ONE OF THE KEY CONTRIBUTORY, AVOIDABLE ISSUES HAS BEEN INJURIES TO PLAYERS ON REHAB PROGRAMS, REYES,DELGADO,MAINE,SCHNEIDER,PEREZ ALL SUSTAINED ADDITIONAL INJURIES WHILE SUPPOSEDLY ON A MONITORED,APPROVED REHAB PROGRAM. THE TRAINER'S ONLY JOB IS TO ENSURE AN OVER ZEALOUS ATHELETE DOES NOT OVERDO HIS PROGRAM RESULTING IN ADDITIONALLY RELATED INJURIES. 1 PLAYER EFFECTED IS A MISTAKE OR ACCIDENT, 2 POSSIBLY INCOMPETANCE; BUT 5 IS ABJECT MALPHEASANCE/MALPRACTICE. ACE, FIRST OFF, I MAKE MY OWN VALUATIONS AND TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA IS W-L, IF U HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE, I;LL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT
ONE ADVANTAGE I HAVE IS I’M PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN NC, FAR FROM WFAN RECEPTION, THOGH I DO GET SNY & YES RECEPTION ON MY DIRECTV CONNECTION. AS SUCH I’M FAIRLY INSULATED FROM THE CRIES OF THE ANGRY TORCHBEARERS. TO THOSE WHO FAULT OMAR FOR NOT ACQUIRING LEE,DeROSA OR HOLIDAY, I’M BEMUSED BY THEIR WILLINGNESS TO THROW MORE MILLIONS DOWN THE D/L RATHOLE. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, STARTING WITH A GUARANTEED PAYROLL OF $149M, GETTING RID OF NOTHING SIGNIFICANT & ADDING 14M EACH FOR HALLADAY & HOLLIDAY AS WELL AS THE SALARIES OF OTHER “WONDER” SOLUTIONS WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THE TEAM INTO A POSTSAESON BERTH. NOT EVEN IF THEY COULD’VE ADDED LINCECUM & PUJOLS. WITH TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT OF REYES’ ADDITIONAL INJURY TO HAMSTRING MUSCLE. I BELIEVE IT’S CLEAR, BEYOND DOUBT THE ENTIRE TRAINING STAFF SHOULD BE FIRED. ONE OF THE KEY CONTRIBUTORY, AVOIDABLE ISSUES HAS BEEN INJURIES TO PLAYERS ON REHAB PROGRAMS, REYES,DELGADO,MAINE,SCHNEIDER,PEREZ ALL SUSTAINED ADDITIONAL INJURIES WHILE SUPPOSEDLY ON A MONITORED,APPROVED REHAB PROGRAM. THE TRAINER’S ONLY JOB IS TO ENSURE AN OVER ZEALOUS ATHELETE DOES NOT OVERDO HIS PROGRAM RESULTING IN ADDITIONALLY RELATED INJURIES. 1 PLAYER EFFECTED IS A MISTAKE OR ACCIDENT, 2 POSSIBLY INCOMPETANCE; BUT 5 IS ABJECT MALPHEASANCE/MALPRACTICE.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29269 Ace Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:09:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29269 maybe you've been on another planet, but in case you couldn't tell "most people" think Omar should go. And "this year" is not the totality of the reason why. maybe you’ve been on another planet, but in case you couldn’t tell “most people” think Omar should go. And “this year” is not the totality of the reason why.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29268 Ace Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:07:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29268 Here we go again with the massive epic novel. capslock, you are a very stubborn person. As to the insults.."SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT’S NEVER DULL." I believe that qualifies as one... Now, I will say this for the last time because you just don't want to face reality. I WANT THE WILPONS GONE TOO!!!! Now, With as many factual reasons as we have posted with re: to Omar losing his job, and just as many fans agree that he should go, YOU are the only one that is right? I guess we ALL have it wrong and as it turns out YOUR the expert. Here's the truth...you love to post in opposition to almost everything, spout obscure stats, compare obscure past, and stir all that in to a long novel-like post...that makes you feel superior apparently. But in reality you simply refuse to admit your wrong about Omar, and his entire staff. With all those brilliant move and aquisitions you stated that omar has made where has it gotton us the past three years? Here we go again with the massive epic novel. capslock, you are a very stubborn person. As to the insults..”SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT’S NEVER DULL.” I believe that qualifies as one…

Now, I will say this for the last time because you just don’t want to face reality. I WANT THE WILPONS GONE TOO!!!!

Now, With as many factual reasons as we have posted with re: to Omar losing his job, and just as many fans agree that he should go, YOU are the only one that is right? I guess we ALL have it wrong and as it turns out YOUR the expert. Here’s the truth…you love to post in opposition to almost everything, spout obscure stats, compare obscure past, and stir all that in to a long novel-like post…that makes you feel superior apparently. But in reality you simply refuse to admit your wrong about Omar, and his entire staff. With all those brilliant move and aquisitions you stated that omar has made where has it gotton us the past three years?

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29266 METS62FAN Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:16:59 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29266 ACE, MOST REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD SEE THE DEVASTATION FROM THIS YEAR & REALIZE IT'S DEFINED AS "AN ACT OF GOD""BEYOND REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS" EVEN IF I INCLUDE THIS YEARS MISERABLE RECORD W% OMAR'S 5 YR TERM HAS BEEN THE SECOND BEST OVER ANY 5 YR PERIOD OVER THE PAAST 29 YRS. '05-'09 .527 W% (EXCL '09 .551 W%) '00-'04 .480 W% '95-'99 .520 W% '90-'94 .465 W% '85-'89 .648 W% '80-'84 .439 W% I THOUGHT IT WAS WINNING THAT COUNTED AS THE ONLY REAL VALID MEASURMENT, AM I WRONG? WHAT ARE U USING? EMOTION OR FACT? ACE, MOST REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD SEE THE DEVASTATION FROM THIS YEAR & REALIZE IT’S DEFINED AS “AN ACT OF GOD”"BEYOND REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS” EVEN IF I INCLUDE THIS YEARS MISERABLE RECORD W% OMAR’S 5 YR TERM HAS BEEN THE SECOND BEST OVER ANY 5 YR PERIOD OVER THE PAAST 29 YRS.
’05-’09 .527 W% (EXCL ’09 .551 W%)
’00-’04 .480 W%
’95-’99 .520 W%
’90-’94 .465 W%
’85-’89 .648 W%
’80-’84 .439 W%
I THOUGHT IT WAS WINNING THAT COUNTED AS THE ONLY REAL VALID MEASURMENT, AM I WRONG? WHAT ARE U USING? EMOTION OR FACT?

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29263 theonlymaskman Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:41:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29263 How about this stat: 67-91 THIS year! Don't tell me injuries - he did nothing to resolve that except for "wait and see". What about all the injured players that he predicted to be back after the ASG that were better than anyone out there? Cards got Holliday and a trip to post-season. Phils got Cliff Lee and a dynasty in our division. We made 1 minor deal with the Braves. Omar did squat. We don't even know if Reyes will be ready by ST. Total mismanagment. Stop focusing on ancient history and look at the present for a change. A total makeover is required from top to bottom of the administration and coaching staff. How about this stat: 67-91 THIS year! Don’t tell me injuries – he did nothing to resolve that except for “wait and see”. What about all the injured players that he predicted to be back after the ASG that were better than anyone out there? Cards got Holliday and a trip to post-season. Phils got Cliff Lee and a dynasty in our division. We made 1 minor deal with the Braves. Omar did squat. We don’t even know if Reyes will be ready by ST. Total mismanagment. Stop focusing on ancient history and look at the present for a change. A total makeover is required from top to bottom of the administration and coaching staff.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29262 METS62FAN Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:39:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29262 LOSING 75% OF CORE+120% OF ROTATION IS WHY! ORIG 4 OF 5 SP + 2 REPLACEMENT STARTERS ON D/L THAT'S 6 OUT OF 5 ON D/L TRY 1000+ DAYS OF D/L TIME AS CAUSE OF FAILED SEASON, NOT COVERING "FUNDIS" WITH EVERY POSSIBLE IMPORTED REPLACEMENT STIFF. CONSIDERING 15 OF 25 ORIG ACTIVE ROSTER MISSED ST DUE TO WBC, MNGT HAD LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS FUNDIs WITH STALWARTS, LET ALONE ALL THE MYRIAD OF BACKUPS. CONSIDER 4 SS USED, 4 1B, 4 CF, 4 LF,4 RF 4 C, AT LEAST 14 SP REG IN ROTATION FOR MORE THAN I GS (SANTANA,PELFREY,STONER,PEREZ,MAINE,NIESE,NIEVE,LIVAN,VARGAS,REDDING, FIGUEROA,MISCH,PARNELL,DESSENS) EVEN AT THIS LATE DATE 10 MEMBERS(25%) OF THE 40 MAN ROSTER ARE STILL ON D/L. PERHAPS TYHE EASIEST, MOST STARTLING WAY TO SHOW THIS IS BY GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, OPENNING DAY 25 MAN ACTIVE ROSTER AND LISTING ALL THOSE THAT HAVE NOT LOST SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME TO THE D/L: FELICIANO GREEN PELFREY K-ROD STOKES CASTILLO MURPHY TATIS* REED* *BENCH, NON STARTING ROLE PLAYER FROM DAY 1 OF THE SEASON. INJURIES ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THE GAME & USUALLY NO EXCUSE; BUT THE VAST NUMBER & TOTALITY OF SCOPE INVOLVED IS BEYOND "PART OF THE GAME" STATUS. IT'S DISASTROUS. THE MERE FACT THAT ABLE BODIED MLB PLAYERS WERE ON HAND TO PLAY, EVEN AT A MUCH REDUCED PRODUCTIVITY LEVEL, IS AMAZING. ONLY TWO REPLACEMENTS HAD TO BE SECURED FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION'S ON-HAND SUPPLY(WILSON VALDEZ, ANDERSON HERNANDEZ) BECAUSE INITIAL BACKUP & NEXT LEVEL ALSO LOST TO D/L(ALEX CORA, RAMON MARTINEZ). PRETTY AMAZING & TESTIMONY TO ORG DEPTH I'VE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THE CORE OF DELGADO,WRIGHT,REYES,BELTRAN PLAYED TOGETHER IN ONLY 25 GAMES THIS SEASON TO A RECORD OF 15-10. THE 5 MAN ORIGINAL ROTATION OF SANTANA,PELFREY,PEREZ,MAINE,REDDING WAS NOT INTACT FROM OPENNING DAY WITH SEASON OPENNING WITH REDDING ON D/L REPL BY LIVAN( ORIG TICKETED TO BUFFALO) AS OF TODAY 158 GAMES PLAYED & EXPECTED GS BY SP @ 31 PLAYER GAMES PERCENT DELGADO 26 16% REYES 36 22% WRIGHT 141 89% BELTRAN 78 49% SANTANA 25GS 80% MAINE 14GS 45% PEREZ 14GS 45% REDDING 16GS 51% NO TEAM COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT AMOUNT OF DEVASTATION, MODERN DAY EQUIVILENT BEING N'ORLENS Vs KATRINA PERSONALLY, I CAN'T RECALL ANY OTHER TIME OR TEAM THAT HAS UNDERGONE SUCH TRIALS/TREVAILS, CERTAINLY THE METS EXPERIENCE DEVASTATION TO THEIR ROTATION IN '87; BUT NON-PITCHERS, POSISTION PLAYERS STAYED MOSTLY HEALTHY WITHIN NORMAL EXPECTATIONS. NO PORTION OF THE COMPETING SQUAD WAS LEFT UNTOUCHED PITCHING(STARTING & PEN),OFFENSE,DEFENSE ALL DECIMATED. HAD THE NYY EXPERIENCED EQUIVELANT CATASTROPHIC DECIMATION, THEY'RE PRESENT DOMINATING SEASION GOES POOF! TRY TO IMAGINE YOUR ROTATION WITHOUT CC,ANDY,JOBA FOR BET 20 & 55% OF THE GAMES. NO TEX, NO JETER FOR MORE THAN 75% OF SEASON. CURRENT B/Us LOST TOO! IMPOSSIBLE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, SO DID NYM FRONT OFFICE. UNPRECEDENTED LOSING 75% OF CORE+120% OF ROTATION IS WHY! ORIG 4 OF 5 SP + 2 REPLACEMENT STARTERS ON D/L THAT’S 6 OUT OF 5 ON D/L
TRY 1000+ DAYS OF D/L TIME AS CAUSE OF FAILED SEASON, NOT COVERING “FUNDIS” WITH EVERY POSSIBLE IMPORTED REPLACEMENT STIFF. CONSIDERING 15 OF 25 ORIG ACTIVE ROSTER MISSED ST DUE TO WBC, MNGT HAD LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS FUNDIs WITH STALWARTS, LET ALONE ALL THE MYRIAD OF BACKUPS. CONSIDER 4 SS USED, 4 1B, 4 CF, 4 LF,4 RF 4 C, AT LEAST 14 SP REG IN ROTATION FOR MORE THAN I GS (SANTANA,PELFREY,STONER,PEREZ,MAINE,NIESE,NIEVE,LIVAN,VARGAS,REDDING, FIGUEROA,MISCH,PARNELL,DESSENS)

EVEN AT THIS LATE DATE 10 MEMBERS(25%) OF THE 40 MAN ROSTER ARE STILL ON D/L.
PERHAPS TYHE EASIEST, MOST STARTLING WAY TO SHOW THIS IS BY GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, OPENNING DAY 25 MAN ACTIVE ROSTER AND LISTING ALL THOSE THAT HAVE NOT LOST SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME TO THE D/L:
FELICIANO
GREEN
PELFREY
K-ROD
STOKES
CASTILLO
MURPHY
TATIS*
REED*
*BENCH, NON STARTING ROLE PLAYER FROM DAY 1 OF THE SEASON.
INJURIES ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THE GAME & USUALLY NO EXCUSE; BUT THE VAST NUMBER & TOTALITY OF SCOPE INVOLVED IS BEYOND “PART OF THE GAME” STATUS. IT’S DISASTROUS. THE MERE FACT THAT ABLE BODIED MLB PLAYERS WERE ON HAND TO PLAY, EVEN AT A MUCH REDUCED PRODUCTIVITY LEVEL, IS AMAZING. ONLY TWO REPLACEMENTS HAD TO BE SECURED FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION’S ON-HAND SUPPLY(WILSON VALDEZ, ANDERSON HERNANDEZ) BECAUSE INITIAL BACKUP & NEXT LEVEL ALSO LOST TO D/L(ALEX CORA, RAMON MARTINEZ). PRETTY AMAZING & TESTIMONY TO ORG DEPTH
I’VE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THE CORE OF DELGADO,WRIGHT,REYES,BELTRAN PLAYED TOGETHER IN ONLY 25 GAMES THIS SEASON TO A RECORD OF 15-10. THE 5 MAN ORIGINAL ROTATION OF SANTANA,PELFREY,PEREZ,MAINE,REDDING WAS NOT INTACT FROM OPENNING DAY WITH SEASON OPENNING WITH REDDING ON D/L REPL BY LIVAN( ORIG TICKETED TO BUFFALO)
AS OF TODAY 158 GAMES PLAYED & EXPECTED GS BY SP @ 31
PLAYER GAMES PERCENT
DELGADO 26 16%
REYES 36 22%
WRIGHT 141 89%
BELTRAN 78 49%
SANTANA 25GS 80%
MAINE 14GS 45%
PEREZ 14GS 45%
REDDING 16GS 51%

NO TEAM COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT AMOUNT OF DEVASTATION, MODERN DAY EQUIVILENT BEING N’ORLENS Vs KATRINA

PERSONALLY, I CAN’T RECALL ANY OTHER TIME OR TEAM THAT HAS UNDERGONE SUCH TRIALS/TREVAILS, CERTAINLY THE METS EXPERIENCE DEVASTATION TO THEIR ROTATION IN ’87; BUT NON-PITCHERS, POSISTION PLAYERS STAYED MOSTLY HEALTHY WITHIN NORMAL EXPECTATIONS. NO PORTION OF THE COMPETING SQUAD WAS LEFT UNTOUCHED PITCHING(STARTING & PEN),OFFENSE,DEFENSE ALL DECIMATED. HAD THE NYY EXPERIENCED EQUIVELANT CATASTROPHIC DECIMATION, THEY’RE PRESENT DOMINATING SEASION GOES POOF! TRY TO IMAGINE YOUR ROTATION WITHOUT CC,ANDY,JOBA FOR BET 20 & 55% OF THE GAMES. NO TEX, NO JETER FOR MORE THAN 75% OF SEASON. CURRENT B/Us LOST TOO! IMPOSSIBLE? THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT, SO DID NYM FRONT OFFICE. UNPRECEDENTED

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29260 METS62FAN Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:30:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29260 ACE, MY REASONS FOR KEEPING OMAR: W-L. IN THE 5 YRS PRE-OMAR THE TEAM'S RECORD WAS 388-420 FROM 2000-2004; BUT WITH OMAR FROM 2005-PRESENT MISERY THE RECORD STANDS AT 423-379. EVERYTHING ELSE IS HOUSEKEEPING. INFLUX OF BELTRAN,SANTANA,DELGADO,K-ROD FAR OUTWEIGHS PETTY COMPLAINTS OVER SALARIES & TIME INVESTED IN CASTILLO & PEREZ. IF I'M WRONG BY JUDGING PERFORMANCE ON W&L I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ERROR. WHAT ARE U MEASURING ON? BS? NITS? WHAT NYM GM ACCOMPLISHED MORE OUTSIDE OF FRANK CASHEN? BTW THERE WERE 10 OTHERS. PITHY ENOUGH? NOT 1 INSULT OTHER THAN YOURS TO MY INTELLIGENCE. SCORBOARD. STANDINGS. WHATEVER U CALL IT. HIS TEAMS ALSO LEAD IN DISAPPOINTMENTS DID HE NOT ADDRESS THE CAUSES? '06,'07 SPing FAILED. DID HE NOT ACQUIRE BEST AVAILABLE STUD AGAINST ALL ODDS? '08 LATE RELIEF FAILED. ACQUIRED 2 OF TOP 5 CLOSERS AVAILABLE. HEIR & A SPARE. NO TOP FLIGHT POSITIONAL PLAYERS SURRENDERED. PETERSON CONTROLED PITCHING DUMPING PRETRTY GOOD PROSPECTS. WE ALL COMPLAIN RE WILPONS; BUT COMPARED TO OWNERSHIP IN PITT,KC,CINCY THEY AREN'T HORRIBLE. COMPARED TO BOSOX,NYY THEY CERTAINLY SUCK. HAVE U EVER REALLY STOPPED TO EVALUATE THE TOTAL DEVASTATION OF THIS SEASON? SIMILAR TO KATRINA EFFECT UPON N'ORLENS. I RECENTLY DID RESPOND TO MY COUSIN (A NYY FAN) WITH A BREAKDOWN I'LL PASTE IT INTO MY NEXT COMMENT SO AS TO NOT OVERPOWER THE BOARD. ACE, MY REASONS FOR KEEPING OMAR: W-L. IN THE 5 YRS PRE-OMAR THE TEAM’S RECORD WAS 388-420 FROM 2000-2004; BUT WITH OMAR FROM 2005-PRESENT MISERY THE RECORD STANDS AT 423-379. EVERYTHING ELSE IS HOUSEKEEPING. INFLUX OF BELTRAN,SANTANA,DELGADO,K-ROD FAR OUTWEIGHS PETTY COMPLAINTS OVER SALARIES & TIME INVESTED IN CASTILLO & PEREZ.
IF I’M WRONG BY JUDGING PERFORMANCE ON W&L I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ERROR. WHAT ARE U MEASURING ON? BS? NITS? WHAT NYM GM ACCOMPLISHED MORE OUTSIDE OF FRANK CASHEN? BTW THERE WERE 10 OTHERS. PITHY ENOUGH? NOT 1 INSULT OTHER THAN YOURS TO MY INTELLIGENCE. SCORBOARD. STANDINGS. WHATEVER U CALL IT. HIS TEAMS ALSO LEAD IN DISAPPOINTMENTS DID HE NOT ADDRESS THE CAUSES? ’06,’07 SPing FAILED. DID HE NOT ACQUIRE BEST AVAILABLE STUD AGAINST ALL ODDS? ’08 LATE RELIEF FAILED. ACQUIRED 2 OF TOP 5 CLOSERS AVAILABLE. HEIR & A SPARE. NO TOP FLIGHT POSITIONAL PLAYERS SURRENDERED. PETERSON CONTROLED PITCHING DUMPING PRETRTY GOOD PROSPECTS. WE ALL COMPLAIN RE WILPONS; BUT COMPARED TO OWNERSHIP IN PITT,KC,CINCY THEY AREN’T HORRIBLE. COMPARED TO BOSOX,NYY THEY CERTAINLY SUCK. HAVE U EVER REALLY STOPPED TO EVALUATE THE TOTAL DEVASTATION OF THIS SEASON? SIMILAR TO KATRINA EFFECT UPON N’ORLENS. I RECENTLY DID RESPOND TO MY COUSIN (A NYY FAN) WITH A BREAKDOWN I’LL PASTE IT INTO MY NEXT COMMENT SO AS TO NOT OVERPOWER THE BOARD.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29190 Ace Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:28:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29190 to the issue of patience, how many years of patience has Omar got so far? I am only this year on the Omar hate club. Omar himself has made the case to fire him a good one. to the issue of patience, how many years of patience has Omar got so far? I am only this year on the Omar hate club. Omar himself has made the case to fire him a good one.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29189 Ace Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:23:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29189 Once again capslock, your typing words but making no sense or points except to say you disagree and make some more insults. Insults by the way reflect on your maturity level, as well as your continued action of sticking your own head in the sand instead of seeing the reality of this team. your continued and dull argument on the restrictions the Wilpons have placed on your hero Omar is weak at best. That is your only reason for wanting Omar to stay, and you continually defend him regardless of all the blunders he is responsible for. Try that for your "reality is never dull". We have given point after point that he should be fired, actual performance related points instaed of the "well it's all the wilpons fault" argument you love so much. please understand this as I have told you at least 100 times...NO ONE IS HAVING A LOVEFEST WITH THE WILPONS EITHER CAPSLOCK!!! THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO! I WANT THEM TO SELL!!! Once again capslock, your typing words but making no sense or points except to say you disagree and make some more insults. Insults by the way reflect on your maturity level, as well as your continued action of sticking your own head in the sand instead of seeing the reality of this team. your continued and dull argument on the restrictions the Wilpons have placed on your hero Omar is weak at best. That is your only reason for wanting Omar to stay, and you continually defend him regardless of all the blunders he is responsible for. Try that for your “reality is never dull”. We have given point after point that he should be fired, actual performance related points instaed of the “well it’s all the wilpons fault” argument you love so much. please understand this as I have told you at least 100 times…NO ONE IS HAVING A LOVEFEST WITH THE WILPONS EITHER CAPSLOCK!!! THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO! I WANT THEM TO SELL!!!

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29186 METS62FAN Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:49:16 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29186 ACE, I DISAGREE WITH YOU! PITHY ENOUGH. TRY REALISTIC SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF KNEEJERK COMPLAINTS FOR ONCE, U OFTEN SOUND MORE LIKE A PETULANT SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT'S NEVER DULL. DO THE WILPONS HAVE FAULTS? OMAR? JERRY? YES TO ALL EMPHATICALLY. ARE THERE WORSE OUT THERE? MOST ASSUREDLY. DOES CONSERVATIVE BASEBALL OPERATIONS WORK IN ST. LOUIS? CERTAINLY. THEY'RE NORMALLY CONTENDING. WHEN THEY AREN'T THEIR FANS AREN'T EATING THEIR OWN. WONDER WHY? P A T I E N C E & M A T U R I T Y. ACE, I DISAGREE WITH YOU! PITHY ENOUGH. TRY REALISTIC SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF KNEEJERK COMPLAINTS FOR ONCE, U OFTEN SOUND MORE LIKE A PETULANT SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT’S NEVER DULL. DO THE WILPONS HAVE FAULTS? OMAR? JERRY? YES TO ALL EMPHATICALLY. ARE THERE WORSE OUT THERE? MOST ASSUREDLY. DOES CONSERVATIVE BASEBALL OPERATIONS WORK IN ST. LOUIS? CERTAINLY. THEY’RE NORMALLY CONTENDING. WHEN THEY AREN’T THEIR FANS AREN’T EATING THEIR OWN. WONDER WHY? P A T I E N C E & M A T U R I T Y.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29182 Ace Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:23:31 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29182 Dude reading your posts are painful! please try to keep them slightly shorter than an epic novel. Just make your point man! On top of that, your a broken record. I got you figured out CAPSLOCK, you post in disagreement with almost everyone and everything and state some obscure statistics and assumptions. So disagree with this, Omar, his entire staff of cronys need to go! There, disagree with that is 10M words or less. Dude reading your posts are painful! please try to keep them slightly shorter than an epic novel. Just make your point man! On top of that, your a broken record. I got you figured out CAPSLOCK, you post in disagreement with almost everyone and everything and state some obscure statistics and assumptions. So disagree with this, Omar, his entire staff of cronys need to go! There, disagree with that is 10M words or less.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29179 METS62FAN Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:16:12 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29179 ACE, COULDN'T FIND YR LAST COMMENT TO REPLY TO; BUT I PERCEIVE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US BEING, U PREFER TO RANT ON THE PAST & WANT IT CHANGED. I PREFER TO ACCEPT WHAT IS AND LOOK FOR POSSIBLE WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE. OMAR SIGNED OLLIE TO A 3/36 DEAL. LIKE IT OR NOT, MISTAKE OR NOT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WHY IT IS IS UP FOR CONJECTURE & DEBATE. I PREFER TO BELIEVE OMAR PAINTED HIMSELF INTO A POSITION WHERE HE RECOGNIZED THERE WERE 2 POTENTIAL WEAKNESSES ON THE TEAM HE'D BUILT PRIOR TO ST, LF & #2 SP. EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS LIKELY BOTH MATT HOLIDAY & ROY HALLIDAY WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE AT THE 7/31 DEADLINE. COINCIDENTLY THEY WERE EACH EARNING APPROX 14M PER. MEANING OMAR HAD TO ENSURE HE HAD AT LEAST ENOUGH LEFT IN HIS WARCHEST TO ASSUME REMAINING CONTRACT IN ORDER TO PLAY FOR EITHER. FRED HAS SWORN TO NEVER PAY LUXURY TAXES, THE 2009 LUXURY TAX LINE WAS 162M WITH COMMITMENTS IN PLACE 12M WAS LIKELY THE MOST THAT COULD BE SPENT ON A NON-#2 SP TO FILL OUT THE ROTATION. LOWE HAD A 15M+ PRICETAG LEAVING PEREZ,GARLAND,SHEETS,WOLF AVAILABLE/AFFORDABLE BY THAT TIME. NONE WERE PERFECT SOLUTIONS. SHEETS WAS THE BIGGEST GAMBLE, PEREZ NEXT; BUT SHOWED IMPROVMENT WITH NEW MECHANICS. WOLF WAS THE BIGGEST ? WITH PITCHING IN SUCH DEMAND, WHY CAN HE NOT STICK ANYWHERE ESPECIALLY BEING LH. HELL, LA ENDED UP SO DESPERATE AS TO ACQUIRE HIM FOR A SECOND TIME IN 2 YRS.SD & HOUS ARE NOT SO ENGORGED WITH QUALITY SPing TO CAST AWAY A QUALITY LHer. NEITHER WAS PHL BEFORE THAT. I AM CERTAIN THAT IN 1960 YOU WOULD'VE BEEN LOCKED UP SWEARING THAT SKINNY LHP WITH THE 18-13 RECORD 3.45 ERA(DURING TIME OF HIGH MOUNDS & SUB 3.00 ERA PREDOMINANCE AND HIS 1.45 WHIP) WOULD BE GOING INTO THE HALL OF FAME AFTER ENDING HIS CAREER ABRUPTLY IN JUST 6 MORE YRS. THE THING IS ACE, WE NEVER KNOW, OLLIE MAY CONTINUE ON INTO OBSCURITY & OBLIVION OR HE MAY FIND THE ANSWER & SUPRISE US ALL. THE ONUS FOR THE LATTER IS CERTAINLY ON OLLIE & OMAR. OLLIE HAS ANOTHER HURDLE IN ADDITION TO KOUFAX,UNIT & LEITER IN AS MUCH AS HE THINKS IN SPANISH & IS BEING TAUGHT IN ENGLISH. I'D PREFER THAT OMAR EXPLORE THE HIRING OF OLLIE'S IDOL, VALENZUELA, TO PERHAPS WORK WITH HIM IN THE OFFSEASON. AT LEAST HE'D BE MOTIVATED BY SOMEONE HE RESPERCTS & THERE'S NO LANGUAGE ISSUE. THAT'S CERTAINLY MORE REALISTIC A SOLUTION THAN A DREAMED UP MINOR LEAGUE DEMOTION HE'D NEVER AGREE TO. ACE, COULDN’T FIND YR LAST COMMENT TO REPLY TO; BUT I PERCEIVE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US BEING, U PREFER TO RANT ON THE PAST & WANT IT CHANGED. I PREFER TO ACCEPT WHAT IS AND LOOK FOR POSSIBLE WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE. OMAR SIGNED OLLIE TO A 3/36 DEAL. LIKE IT OR NOT, MISTAKE OR NOT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WHY IT IS IS UP FOR CONJECTURE & DEBATE. I PREFER TO BELIEVE OMAR PAINTED HIMSELF INTO A POSITION WHERE HE RECOGNIZED THERE WERE 2 POTENTIAL WEAKNESSES ON THE TEAM HE’D BUILT PRIOR TO ST, LF & #2 SP. EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS LIKELY BOTH MATT HOLIDAY & ROY HALLIDAY WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE AT THE 7/31 DEADLINE. COINCIDENTLY THEY WERE EACH EARNING APPROX 14M PER. MEANING OMAR HAD TO ENSURE HE HAD AT LEAST ENOUGH LEFT IN HIS WARCHEST TO ASSUME REMAINING CONTRACT IN ORDER TO PLAY FOR EITHER. FRED HAS SWORN TO NEVER PAY LUXURY TAXES, THE 2009 LUXURY TAX LINE WAS 162M WITH COMMITMENTS IN PLACE 12M WAS LIKELY THE MOST THAT COULD BE SPENT ON A NON-#2 SP TO FILL OUT THE ROTATION. LOWE HAD A 15M+ PRICETAG LEAVING PEREZ,GARLAND,SHEETS,WOLF AVAILABLE/AFFORDABLE BY THAT TIME. NONE WERE PERFECT SOLUTIONS. SHEETS WAS THE BIGGEST GAMBLE, PEREZ NEXT; BUT SHOWED IMPROVMENT WITH NEW MECHANICS. WOLF WAS THE BIGGEST ? WITH PITCHING IN SUCH DEMAND, WHY CAN HE NOT STICK ANYWHERE ESPECIALLY BEING LH. HELL, LA ENDED UP SO DESPERATE AS TO ACQUIRE HIM FOR A SECOND TIME IN 2 YRS.SD & HOUS ARE NOT SO ENGORGED WITH QUALITY SPing TO CAST AWAY A QUALITY LHer. NEITHER WAS PHL BEFORE THAT. I AM CERTAIN THAT IN 1960 YOU WOULD’VE BEEN LOCKED UP SWEARING THAT SKINNY LHP WITH THE 18-13 RECORD 3.45 ERA(DURING TIME OF HIGH MOUNDS & SUB 3.00 ERA PREDOMINANCE AND HIS 1.45 WHIP) WOULD BE GOING INTO THE HALL OF FAME AFTER ENDING HIS CAREER ABRUPTLY IN JUST 6 MORE YRS. THE THING IS ACE, WE NEVER KNOW, OLLIE MAY CONTINUE ON INTO OBSCURITY & OBLIVION OR HE MAY FIND THE ANSWER & SUPRISE US ALL. THE ONUS FOR THE LATTER IS CERTAINLY ON OLLIE & OMAR. OLLIE HAS ANOTHER HURDLE IN ADDITION TO KOUFAX,UNIT & LEITER IN AS MUCH AS HE THINKS IN SPANISH & IS BEING TAUGHT IN ENGLISH. I’D PREFER THAT OMAR EXPLORE THE HIRING OF OLLIE’S IDOL, VALENZUELA, TO PERHAPS WORK WITH HIM IN THE OFFSEASON. AT LEAST HE’D BE MOTIVATED BY SOMEONE HE RESPERCTS & THERE’S NO LANGUAGE ISSUE. THAT’S CERTAINLY MORE REALISTIC A SOLUTION THAN A DREAMED UP MINOR LEAGUE DEMOTION HE’D NEVER AGREE TO.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29173 Ace Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29173 very well said Mask. Ollie's work ethic and his attitude is the problem. I tried to say that to CAPSLOCK yesterday but he will not respond to that issue of course. After Ollie got his contract, (I prefer to call it a robbery), he barely showed up in spring training. After signing the robbery THAT was the time to kick it into overdrive and dominate, not retire on the clock. Ollie may posses some skills, but when the stars, moons, and planets align he is still only able to string together two maybe three innings top before he melts down. That is NOT major league level skill. He needs to be sent to single A,because that is the level where "potential" is realized and grown/built; NOT at this level. very well said Mask. Ollie’s work ethic and his attitude is the problem. I tried to say that to CAPSLOCK yesterday but he will not respond to that issue of course. After Ollie got his contract, (I prefer to call it a robbery), he barely showed up in spring training. After signing the robbery THAT was the time to kick it into overdrive and dominate, not retire on the clock. Ollie may posses some skills, but when the stars, moons, and planets align he is still only able to string together two maybe three innings top before he melts down. That is NOT major league level skill. He needs to be sent to single A,because that is the level where “potential” is realized and grown/built; NOT at this level.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29171 theonlymaskman Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:54:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29171 62, I'm not worrying about Ollie not having enough time left in his "career" to compile overwhelming numbers reminsicent of Koufax or the Big Unit. Rather, I am worrying about him having any future whatsoever. He reminds me of Al Leiter trying to pitch at the end of his career, always trying to hit the black, low on the inside to right hand batters and then missing because his control is just not that good. The result is he piles up walks and then says "Walks are part of baseball". He is getting nothing whatsoever from Warthen, and in fact, I wonder if they are actually speaking to each other after Warthen insulted him in front of the world during ST. With his poor work ethic, I don't see anything good coming from Ollie. Unfortunately, like all things in life, hard work is required to attain success. Ollie is shown that he is more ready to sit on his cushy fat contract than bust his butt working. Yes, when he focuses on his mechanics, he pitches somewhat better. But how long does that last, 2 innings at best and then he loses focus and gets his mechanics scrambled. Ollie is a huge project that will never get straightened out. His one good year is fading into the distant past very rapidly. You can look to potential, but we don't get W's with potential; we get them with hard work and concentration, which are not in Ollie's repertoir. 62, I’m not worrying about Ollie not having enough time left in his “career” to compile overwhelming numbers reminsicent of Koufax or the Big Unit. Rather, I am worrying about him having any future whatsoever. He reminds me of Al Leiter trying to pitch at the end of his career, always trying to hit the black, low on the inside to right hand batters and then missing because his control is just not that good. The result is he piles up walks and then says “Walks are part of baseball”. He is getting nothing whatsoever from Warthen, and in fact, I wonder if they are actually speaking to each other after Warthen insulted him in front of the world during ST. With his poor work ethic, I don’t see anything good coming from Ollie. Unfortunately, like all things in life, hard work is required to attain success. Ollie is shown that he is more ready to sit on his cushy fat contract than bust his butt working. Yes, when he focuses on his mechanics, he pitches somewhat better. But how long does that last, 2 innings at best and then he loses focus and gets his mechanics scrambled. Ollie is a huge project that will never get straightened out. His one good year is fading into the distant past very rapidly. You can look to potential, but we don’t get W’s with potential; we get them with hard work and concentration, which are not in Ollie’s repertoir.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29165 METS62FAN Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:41:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29165 MASK, OUR BIG DIFFERENCE IS U BELIEVE OLLIE IS A 2-BIT LEFTY, I DON'T BELIEVE 2-BIT LEFTIES AMASS 15W SEASONS OR DOMINATE IN THEIR FIRST PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE THERE IA A "YET TO BE FOUND" SOLUTION TO OLLIE'S MECHANICAL ISSUES THAT CAUSES HIS INCONSISTANT WILDNESS. HE HAS HAD GAMES WHEN HE'S WALKED FEW. MOST ALL OF WHICH WERE DOMINATING VICTORIES. THIS IS WHERE LISTENING TO COMPETITORS FEED PAYS OFF WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DISTINCTLY RECALL A PARTICULAR START OLLIE HAD Vs. ATL ('07?) WHEN THEIR HOMER ANNUNCERS REG EXCUSED THE ATL LINEUP FOR FAILING/FLAILING BECAUSE THEY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE AGAINST THIS UNPREDICTABLE LEFTY WHO, BTW, DIDN'T ISSUE ANY BB. ONCE THE SOLUTION IS FOUND, OLLIE WILL BEWCOME A FORCE IN ANY ROTATION. I'VE NEVER SAID HE WAS CERTAIN TO WARRANT INCLUSION IN THE COMPANY I REFERENCE; BUT I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE HE HAS THE RAW TALENT TO BELONG. UNFORTUNATLY, LIKE SANDY, IT MAY COME TOO LATE TO TRULY COMPILE OVERWELMING NUMBERS. MASK, OUR BIG DIFFERENCE IS U BELIEVE OLLIE IS A 2-BIT LEFTY, I DON’T BELIEVE 2-BIT LEFTIES AMASS 15W SEASONS OR DOMINATE IN THEIR FIRST PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE THERE IA A “YET TO BE FOUND” SOLUTION TO OLLIE’S MECHANICAL ISSUES THAT CAUSES HIS INCONSISTANT WILDNESS. HE HAS HAD GAMES WHEN HE’S WALKED FEW. MOST ALL OF WHICH WERE DOMINATING VICTORIES. THIS IS WHERE LISTENING TO COMPETITORS FEED PAYS OFF WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DISTINCTLY RECALL A PARTICULAR START OLLIE HAD Vs. ATL (’07?) WHEN THEIR HOMER ANNUNCERS REG EXCUSED THE ATL LINEUP FOR FAILING/FLAILING BECAUSE THEY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE AGAINST THIS UNPREDICTABLE LEFTY WHO, BTW, DIDN’T ISSUE ANY BB. ONCE THE SOLUTION IS FOUND, OLLIE WILL BEWCOME A FORCE IN ANY ROTATION. I’VE NEVER SAID HE WAS CERTAIN TO WARRANT INCLUSION IN THE COMPANY I REFERENCE; BUT I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE HE HAS THE RAW TALENT TO BELONG. UNFORTUNATLY, LIKE SANDY, IT MAY COME TOO LATE TO TRULY COMPILE OVERWELMING NUMBERS.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29114 Ace Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:43:33 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29114 Look moron, comparing Ollie to Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, is absolutely idiotic! Your logic, or lack thereof is stunniing in this case! I'll break it down for you capslock, the only thing those pitchers have in common with Ollie is the fact they eat, brush teeth, wipe their ass, and even pitch with the same arm. Other than that there is nothing else they have in common, period! Those phenomenal pitchers you name had gifts, and more importantly a desire to play and win! i can't even believe you would dare to make that comparison! Ollie is hot garbage, and that is the only comparison that makes any sense! Ollie has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING worth employment at this level, much less for his contract. I think you just liek to argue because it makes you feel valid or something, and that's fine, but come on man, Ollie Perez? Look moron, comparing Ollie to Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, is absolutely idiotic! Your logic, or lack thereof is stunniing in this case! I’ll break it down for you capslock, the only thing those pitchers have in common with Ollie is the fact they eat, brush teeth, wipe their ass, and even pitch with the same arm. Other than that there is nothing else they have in common, period! Those phenomenal pitchers you name had gifts, and more importantly a desire to play and win! i can’t even believe you would dare to make that comparison! Ollie is hot garbage, and that is the only comparison that makes any sense! Ollie has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING worth employment at this level, much less for his contract. I think you just liek to argue because it makes you feel valid or something, and that’s fine, but come on man, Ollie Perez?

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29113 theonlymaskman Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:07:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29113 The hilarious thing about his analysis is the comparison of Ollie to Koufax, the Big Unit, and Leiter at early ages. That is supposed to make you think Ollie can be in that company. But that comparison can also be made for any 2 bit lefty at an early age that can't hit the side of a barn. What a ridiculous argument that carries no logic whatsoever! The hilarious thing about his analysis is the comparison of Ollie to Koufax, the Big Unit, and Leiter at early ages. That is supposed to make you think Ollie can be in that company. But that comparison can also be made for any 2 bit lefty at an early age that can’t hit the side of a barn. What a ridiculous argument that carries no logic whatsoever!

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/the-uncertain-state-of-the-mets-part-1.html#comment-29109 METS62FAN Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:32:25 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=13312#comment-29109 ACE TRY TO CONSIDER THIS: OLLIE IS 28. HIS BEST YEAR TO DATE IS 2008's 15-10 76 IP,56 ER,51BB,174K 153H HIS NYM CAREER RECORD IS 29-24 460 IP 5.73 ERA & 1.79WHIP OVER 4 YRS. COMPARED TO HOF SANDY KOUFAX @ AGE 26 WITH AN 18-13,692IP 465BB 3.45 ERA 1.46WHIP OVER 6 YRS. RANDY JOHNSON AGE 27: 24-24 407IP 223BB 4.02 ERA 1.40WHIP OVER 3 YRS. AL LEITER AGE 27:7-8 122 IP 80BB 5.01ERA 1.55 WHIP OVER 6 YRS. THE REASON HAS LONG BEEN DEBATED; BUT IT'S A LONG STANDING FACT THAT SOME LHP DEVELOP LATER THAN TYPICAL RHP. THE AbOVE #s SHOULD INDICATE AN IMPROVEMENT IS CERTAINLY CONCEIVABLE; BUT CERTAINLY NOT GUARANTEED. THE ISSUE WITH OLLIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MECHANICAL NOT TALENT. ONE'S IMPROVABLE THE OTHER NOT SO MUCH. CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THE NYY WISHED THEY'D BEEN MORE PATIENT W/AL AS MOST CERTAINLY THE EXPOS ALSO ID WITH UNIT. IF F/AGENCY HAD EXISTED IN THE 50s IT'S UNLIKELY SANDY'D BE WEARING A DODGER CAP ON HIS PLAQUE.PITCHERS IN THEIR 20s ARE TYPICALLY UNRELIABLE & INCONSISTANT EXCEPT FOR JUST A FEW OF THE VERY,VERY BEST. THEY ARE THE REASON WHY PATIENCE HAS LONG BEEN REFERRED TO AS A VIRTUE. IT'S INEXPLICABLE TO ME HOW SUCH A GENERALLY IMPATIENT FANBASE AS EXISTS IN NY CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH "YOUNG" TALENT, YET THEY ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THE YOUNG. IF JUDGED TOO EARLY THERE'S SURE TO BE DISAPPOINTMENT ala MURPHY ACE TRY TO CONSIDER THIS:

OLLIE IS 28. HIS BEST YEAR TO DATE IS 2008′s 15-10 76 IP,56 ER,51BB,174K 153H HIS NYM CAREER RECORD IS 29-24 460 IP 5.73 ERA & 1.79WHIP OVER 4 YRS.

COMPARED TO HOF SANDY KOUFAX @ AGE 26 WITH AN 18-13,692IP 465BB 3.45 ERA 1.46WHIP OVER 6 YRS.
RANDY JOHNSON AGE 27: 24-24 407IP 223BB 4.02 ERA 1.40WHIP OVER 3 YRS.
AL LEITER AGE 27:7-8 122 IP 80BB 5.01ERA 1.55 WHIP OVER 6 YRS.

THE REASON HAS LONG BEEN DEBATED; BUT IT’S A LONG STANDING FACT THAT SOME LHP DEVELOP LATER THAN TYPICAL RHP. THE AbOVE #s SHOULD INDICATE AN IMPROVEMENT IS CERTAINLY CONCEIVABLE; BUT CERTAINLY NOT GUARANTEED. THE ISSUE WITH OLLIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MECHANICAL NOT TALENT. ONE’S IMPROVABLE THE OTHER NOT SO MUCH. CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THE NYY WISHED THEY’D BEEN MORE PATIENT W/AL AS MOST CERTAINLY THE EXPOS ALSO ID WITH UNIT.
IF F/AGENCY HAD EXISTED IN THE 50s IT’S UNLIKELY SANDY’D BE WEARING A DODGER CAP ON HIS PLAQUE.PITCHERS IN THEIR 20s ARE TYPICALLY UNRELIABLE & INCONSISTANT EXCEPT FOR JUST A FEW OF THE VERY,VERY BEST. THEY ARE THE REASON WHY PATIENCE HAS LONG BEEN REFERRED TO AS A VIRTUE. IT’S INEXPLICABLE TO ME HOW SUCH A GENERALLY IMPATIENT FANBASE AS EXISTS IN NY CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN THERE’S NOT ENOUGH “YOUNG” TALENT, YET THEY ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THE YOUNG. IF JUDGED TOO EARLY THERE’S SURE TO BE DISAPPOINTMENT ala MURPHY

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