With the 2009 season coming to an end, lets begin to chart out where the Mets are and where they might be heading.
The following is a list of all the Mets salary commitments for the 2010 season. I have included their actual salary commitments, and even tried my hand at projecting salary commitments for players heading into arbitration and those due raises. Asterisk denotes estimated salary figure.
Catchers
Omir Santos – $400K
Josh Thole – $450K
No arbitration eligible players.
The Mets will most likely let Brian Schneider walk at the end of the season after a disappointing .214 campaign. They may make a move to add a veteran in the off-season, but yesterday Manuel sounded fine with the idea of using Santos as his starting catcher in ‘10. Both Santos and Thole, if he should make the team, will most likely get the league minimum with a little more in Santos’ case. I have a blog scheduled for later today on Bengie Molina who I believe would be a good fit until Thole is ready. I like Santos, but I’m not sold on him being anything more than a solid backup.
Infielders
1B – Daniel Murphy – $425K*
1B – Nick Evans – $400K
2B – Luis Castillo – $6MM
SS – Jose Reyes – $9MM
3B – David Wright – $10MM
The Mets left side of the infield is set, but there is still a chance that Luis Castillo might be moved, and Murphy’s hold on first base is very shaky at best despite his latest offensive surge. Castillo deserves to stay and his contract doesn’t look as bad as it once did, especially when O-Dog is making $7.5 million and losing playing time to Ron Belliard. Anderson Hernandez could make the team as a reserve or the Mets may attempt to resign Alex Cora who had some value before he got hurt. Carlos Delgado isn’t exactly out of the picture yet. He wants to stay, but the Mets may be gun shy after paying him $12 million for a lost season in ‘09. My guess is that lack of cash will ensure that Murphy will be the opening day first baseman.
No arbitration eligible players.
Outfielders
LF – Angel Pagan – $1.2MM*
CF – Carlos Beltran – $18.5MM
RF – Jeff Francoeur – $4.5MM*
OF – Jeremy Reed – $1.5MM*
Arbitration Eligible Players: Jeremy Reed, Jeff Francoeur, Angel Pagan
Angel Pagan could potentially get a shot to play left field everyday next season. He’s also a solid insurance policy for Carlos Beltran. He will probably double his salary to somewhere in the $1.2MM range, Cory Sullivan will most likely not be resigned, and Jeremy Reed looks like a potential non-tender candidate. Jeff Francoeur could sign a 3-year deal if the Mets rumblings are true. Beltran is still one of the best centerfielders in the game.
Starting Pitchers
Johan Santana – $21MM
John Maine – $3.2MM*
Mike Pelfrey – $1.8MM*
Oliver Perez – $12MM
Jon Niese – $400K
Fernando Nieve – $400K
Arbitration eligible players: John Maine
All but one of the pitchers will be entering spring training with some kind of injury concern. That’s an enormous amount of risk for a team trying to prevent another potential catastrophe. John Maine could be non-tendered, but most likely he signs for a small raise. Pelfrey will also get a raise and needs to have a solid 2010 season before he becomes arbitration eligible in 2011 at which point the Mets will non tender him or even trade him at the deadline. The Mets are stuck with Ollie unless they move him in return for another terrible contract. I’m not sure what roles Nieve and Niese will play until we see if the Mets target a top of the rotation guy in the off season. Also, don’t discount the fact that Redding could be re-signed for about $3 MM.
Relievers
Francisco Rodriguez – $11.5MM
Pedro Feliciano – $2.3MM*
Sean Green – $600K*
Pat Misch – $415K*
Bobby Parnell – $400K
Brian Stokes – $415K*
Nelson Figueroa – $400K
Arbitration eligible players: Pedro Feliciano
I’m not sure that Misch, Green and Figgy will make the opening day bullpen. Pedro Feliciano will get some serious bucks in arbitration and get paid as much as an elite setup man, but Mets can’t afford to lose their only effective lefty specialist. Parnell shouldn’t even be in the major leagues, but the Mets are past the point of no return with him. Brian Stokes will certainly be back. K-Rod is making everyone nervous as his decreased velocity has now minimized the effectiveness of his once great changeup and suddenly he has become very hittable.
Final Notes
The Mets have some serious issues to address across the board. You could argue for hours about whether the Mets need a catcher, two starters, a first baseman, a left fielder and a setup man. The truth is that they probably need all those things.
The sad part of it all is the number of players who will be counted on to not just bounce back from injuries, but to do so with solid if not spectacular results. The odds are against that happening.
Currently, the Mets financial commitments tally somewhere in the $120MM range after raises. That leaves little wiggle room for Omar Minaya who may not even get more than $15 million dollars to plug all the holes and backup all the injury concerns.
Next up – Players who could help.
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Reyes, Beltran, Johan, Maine, Niese, Nieve, Cora, Perez. Even if only half of them were to bounceback to their pre injury norms, we would be in a lot of trouble. Many are saying that Reyes will never run like he used to and even Reyes has admitted that he has no confidence in running that hard. Johan is coming back from the same cleaning up that Maine had over a year ago. We saw how that worked out for Maine. This is pretty scary.
You can’t assume that Reyes is never going to be the same again. No one knows, including himself, what he will be like. So to say that he won’t be the same ever again, is a little premature. I’m not saying it won’t be true, just that it’s too early to make that call.
CAPSLOCK = DISABILITY ACCOMODATION
THE HAMSTRING TENDON REYES INJURED IS THE SAME TENDON USUALLY REMOVED FOR US IN TJ SURGERY ACCORDING TO ONE FREPRT I’VE HEARD OR READ. I DOUBT IT WILL DEBILITATE HIM THAT MUCH PHYSICALLY; BUT I GUESS WE WON’T KNOE FOR SURE UNTIL HE TURNS THE JETS ON. DOES HE FLY OR CRASH & BURN? I’LL STILL SLEEP WELL UNTIL WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN. REYES AT 90% SPEED IS STILL BETTER THAN MOST. I’D ANTICIPATE THEY MAY JUST REMOVE IT RATHER THAN REPAIR IT FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE DAMAGE. THAT’S WHAT THE ORTHOPODS @ HSS GET PAID FOR.
We need our free agent fix. Omar’s plan has been Wright, Reyes and free agents. Can they sign 3-4 good or better free agents? If they can’t we migt be battling the Nats for fourth place.
Damn, how the hell did we get into this mess? Why does Omar still have a job? If the Wilpons dont lay out some extra cash, we are in big effing trouble here. This title should have read the “depressing” state of the Mets.
Parnell was good out of the bullpen this year:
3.59 ERA, 47.2 IP, 41 K, 23 BB
Also, Green has been better than his ERA suggests. Good value for ~$600K. Hopefully they use their budget on position players and starting pitchers, not relievers.
K-rod scares me more and more the more I see of him. Why cant we ever get a closer that we dont have to worry about.
If I am the Won’tpons, (God forbid) I am not spending my money on big free agent money unless a different GM than Omar is spending it. Remember the Ollie!
“Remember the Ollie!” I like that. The US used to have a slogan long ago: Remember the Maine! That was after the USS Maine got sunk in Havana harbor during the Spanish Amerian War. We have a Maine of our own, but for the Met’s it’s Ollie that is most memorable…or rather, forgettable.
LOL, agreed. Ollie has to be one of the worst Omar blunders. They should send him to A since they are clearly stuck with him.
You know, you’re right, Ollie is not even good enough to go to Binghamtom. He needs to go back to A level and learn to pitch from scratch. In a trade, the best deal you could expect is a 2 scoop ice cream cone for him. You’d have to be ready to eat it before it melted.
ACE TRY TO CONSIDER THIS:
OLLIE IS 28. HIS BEST YEAR TO DATE IS 2008’s 15-10 76 IP,56 ER,51BB,174K 153H HIS NYM CAREER RECORD IS 29-24 460 IP 5.73 ERA & 1.79WHIP OVER 4 YRS.
COMPARED TO HOF SANDY KOUFAX @ AGE 26 WITH AN 18-13,692IP 465BB 3.45 ERA 1.46WHIP OVER 6 YRS.
RANDY JOHNSON AGE 27: 24-24 407IP 223BB 4.02 ERA 1.40WHIP OVER 3 YRS.
AL LEITER AGE 27:7-8 122 IP 80BB 5.01ERA 1.55 WHIP OVER 6 YRS.
THE REASON HAS LONG BEEN DEBATED; BUT IT’S A LONG STANDING FACT THAT SOME LHP DEVELOP LATER THAN TYPICAL RHP. THE AbOVE #s SHOULD INDICATE AN IMPROVEMENT IS CERTAINLY CONCEIVABLE; BUT CERTAINLY NOT GUARANTEED. THE ISSUE WITH OLLIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MECHANICAL NOT TALENT. ONE’S IMPROVABLE THE OTHER NOT SO MUCH. CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THE NYY WISHED THEY’D BEEN MORE PATIENT W/AL AS MOST CERTAINLY THE EXPOS ALSO ID WITH UNIT.
IF F/AGENCY HAD EXISTED IN THE 50s IT’S UNLIKELY SANDY’D BE WEARING A DODGER CAP ON HIS PLAQUE.PITCHERS IN THEIR 20s ARE TYPICALLY UNRELIABLE & INCONSISTANT EXCEPT FOR JUST A FEW OF THE VERY,VERY BEST. THEY ARE THE REASON WHY PATIENCE HAS LONG BEEN REFERRED TO AS A VIRTUE. IT’S INEXPLICABLE TO ME HOW SUCH A GENERALLY IMPATIENT FANBASE AS EXISTS IN NY CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN THERE’S NOT ENOUGH “YOUNG” TALENT, YET THEY ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THE YOUNG. IF JUDGED TOO EARLY THERE’S SURE TO BE DISAPPOINTMENT ala MURPHY
Look moron, comparing Ollie to Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, is absolutely idiotic! Your logic, or lack thereof is stunniing in this case! I’ll break it down for you capslock, the only thing those pitchers have in common with Ollie is the fact they eat, brush teeth, wipe their ass, and even pitch with the same arm. Other than that there is nothing else they have in common, period! Those phenomenal pitchers you name had gifts, and more importantly a desire to play and win! i can’t even believe you would dare to make that comparison! Ollie is hot garbage, and that is the only comparison that makes any sense! Ollie has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING worth employment at this level, much less for his contract. I think you just liek to argue because it makes you feel valid or something, and that’s fine, but come on man, Ollie Perez?
MASK, AFTER ALL WE TALKED ABOUT SLOW DEVELOPING LHP WITH TALENTED ARMS & WAYWARD STRIKEZONE CONSISTANCY AND AFTER ALL YOU’VE BEEN POROVEN WRONG BY LUIS CASILLO, I’M SUPRISED U’D TAKE ADVANTAGE BY JUMPING ONTO THE CHEAP THRILLS BANDWAGON ‘CAUSE U LIKE A CATRCHY SLOGAN. OF GARLAND,SHEETS,WOLF,PEREZ. OLLIE CLEARLY HAS THE MOST POTENTIAL & THUS UPSIDE FOR THE PATIENT FRANCHISE. WAS OLLIE WORTH 12M THIS YR? HARDLY! WILL HE EARN 12M NEXT YR? NOT LIKELY. CAN HE BE WORTH 12M IN ‘11? QUITE POSSIBLY! WAS LOWE WORTH 15M THIS YR? BARELY. 15M NEXT YR? UNLIKELY! IN ‘11? NOT LIKELY. IN ‘12 HIGHLY UNLIKELY @ AGE 41! BTW IF ATL OFFERED 4/60 WE’D HAVE HAD TO BETTER THAT OFFER TO SECURE HIM.
Uhhh…. Lowe won 15 games this year! You say Ollie was a better deal? That’s REALLY FUNNY! You talk about POTENTIAL! You can’t compete today with potential. We need players, not promises. Sorry, but Ollie doesn’t cut it.
I was proved wrong with Castillo? Castillo has shown he has fortitude and willingness to work to earn his place on the team. He did that and good for him! What has Ollie shown? That’s simple: laziness and no work ethic. He is always a quick one to go off to a basketball game or other activity instead of dedicating himself to his profession.
While we’re at it, I think YOU’VE been proved wrong by John Maine. Just in the last couple days you posted that Maine was back to his performance level. At the same time, you chastised me about my assumptions. Well, didn’t you just ASSUME about Maine. Last night exposes that for what it is … a HUGE assumption. 7 runs in 4.2 innings with 2 consecutive HB’s is not a performance to write home about. John Maine continues to show he runs out of steam before 5 innings are in the book. Now, you can say he’s been out for a prolonged time and needs to get his form back, but just 2 days ago you said he was back in form. Just what are the Mets going to do with these 2 guys? The most logical thing is to salvage Maine by putting him in the bullpen. As it is now, that’s 40% of a starting rotation that is unreliable and untradeable. On top of that we have the ace Santana coming back from surgery and our #2 Pelf who just hasn’t stepped up to show he is a consistent big league pitcher. The sad story for the Mets is that going into 2010, the starter with the most predictable performance level will be Tim Redding. That’s how bad it is!
MASK, IF U INFERRED FROM ANYTHING I’VE EVER POSTED THAT I THOUGHT MAINE WAS BACK, I APOLOGIZE. SINCE IN NO WAY IS THAT AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF MY FEELINGS ON MAINE. I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE HE’S BARELY WORETH A TENDER FOR A POST SURGICAL AUDITION YR WHILE I’D LIMIT HIS ‘09 TO A DEFINED “RECOVERY YEAR”. LET ME CLARIFY MY LOWE DEAL Vs PEREZ DEAL THIS WAY:
FOR ONLY 2009 LOWE WAS THE SAFER BET,BETTER SIGNEE. LOWE IS A CASE OF CERTAIN DIMINISHING RESULTS. PEREZ HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT HIS 3 YRS. LOWE DOES NOT! PEREZ @ 3/36 VS LOWE @ 4/60+ IS A QUESTION OF WANTING TO WASTE LESS MONEY SHORT TERM OR MORE MONEY LONG TERM.
IT’S 60+ SINCE TO HAVE OUTBID ATLANTA WOULD MEAN EITHER MORE YRS OR DOLLARS THAN 4/60. INCREASING YRS WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WHICH IS WHY I’D EXPECT A BIDDING WAR TO INVOLVE $ NOT TIME. WITH 2 TEAMS WILLING TO GO 4/60 NO WAY BORAS SIGNS WITHOUT A COUNTER. 4/60 WAS PURELY ‘THE’ MOVE OF A 3rd/4th PLACE CLUB(ala NYM & PEDRO)
FEW CONSIDER PEREZ WAS NOT OMAR’S FIRST CHOICE. LOWE WAS. BY DOING SO OMAR WAS FORCED TO OPEN HIS KIMONA. THE CHOICE WAS PEREZ @ 3/36 OR GARLAND,SHEETS,WOLF. ONLY HINDSIGHT DETERMINES THE BEST CHOICE WAS NOT THE SUPPOSEDLY “IMPROVED MECHANICS” PEREZ. THE WBC WAS CERTAINLY THE DETERMINING MONKEY WRENCH.
Your ignorance surprises me with almost every post you make. First you defend Omar, even though the writing is on the wall. Now you defend OLLIE? Now that is a serious stretch! Potential? That is absolutely ridiculous! can you please name one instance Ollie has done ANYTHING for this team that is remotely close to POTENTIAL? Man you got some serious problems capslock!
The hilarious thing about his analysis is the comparison of Ollie to Koufax, the Big Unit, and Leiter at early ages. That is supposed to make you think Ollie can be in that company. But that comparison can also be made for any 2 bit lefty at an early age that can’t hit the side of a barn. What a ridiculous argument that carries no logic whatsoever!
ACE, COULDN’T FIND YR LAST COMMENT TO REPLY TO; BUT I PERCEIVE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US BEING, U PREFER TO RANT ON THE PAST & WANT IT CHANGED. I PREFER TO ACCEPT WHAT IS AND LOOK FOR POSSIBLE WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE. OMAR SIGNED OLLIE TO A 3/36 DEAL. LIKE IT OR NOT, MISTAKE OR NOT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WHY IT IS IS UP FOR CONJECTURE & DEBATE. I PREFER TO BELIEVE OMAR PAINTED HIMSELF INTO A POSITION WHERE HE RECOGNIZED THERE WERE 2 POTENTIAL WEAKNESSES ON THE TEAM HE’D BUILT PRIOR TO ST, LF & #2 SP. EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS LIKELY BOTH MATT HOLIDAY & ROY HALLIDAY WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE AT THE 7/31 DEADLINE. COINCIDENTLY THEY WERE EACH EARNING APPROX 14M PER. MEANING OMAR HAD TO ENSURE HE HAD AT LEAST ENOUGH LEFT IN HIS WARCHEST TO ASSUME REMAINING CONTRACT IN ORDER TO PLAY FOR EITHER. FRED HAS SWORN TO NEVER PAY LUXURY TAXES, THE 2009 LUXURY TAX LINE WAS 162M WITH COMMITMENTS IN PLACE 12M WAS LIKELY THE MOST THAT COULD BE SPENT ON A NON-#2 SP TO FILL OUT THE ROTATION. LOWE HAD A 15M+ PRICETAG LEAVING PEREZ,GARLAND,SHEETS,WOLF AVAILABLE/AFFORDABLE BY THAT TIME. NONE WERE PERFECT SOLUTIONS. SHEETS WAS THE BIGGEST GAMBLE, PEREZ NEXT; BUT SHOWED IMPROVMENT WITH NEW MECHANICS. WOLF WAS THE BIGGEST ? WITH PITCHING IN SUCH DEMAND, WHY CAN HE NOT STICK ANYWHERE ESPECIALLY BEING LH. HELL, LA ENDED UP SO DESPERATE AS TO ACQUIRE HIM FOR A SECOND TIME IN 2 YRS.SD & HOUS ARE NOT SO ENGORGED WITH QUALITY SPing TO CAST AWAY A QUALITY LHer. NEITHER WAS PHL BEFORE THAT. I AM CERTAIN THAT IN 1960 YOU WOULD’VE BEEN LOCKED UP SWEARING THAT SKINNY LHP WITH THE 18-13 RECORD 3.45 ERA(DURING TIME OF HIGH MOUNDS & SUB 3.00 ERA PREDOMINANCE AND HIS 1.45 WHIP) WOULD BE GOING INTO THE HALL OF FAME AFTER ENDING HIS CAREER ABRUPTLY IN JUST 6 MORE YRS. THE THING IS ACE, WE NEVER KNOW, OLLIE MAY CONTINUE ON INTO OBSCURITY & OBLIVION OR HE MAY FIND THE ANSWER & SUPRISE US ALL. THE ONUS FOR THE LATTER IS CERTAINLY ON OLLIE & OMAR. OLLIE HAS ANOTHER HURDLE IN ADDITION TO KOUFAX,UNIT & LEITER IN AS MUCH AS HE THINKS IN SPANISH & IS BEING TAUGHT IN ENGLISH. I’D PREFER THAT OMAR EXPLORE THE HIRING OF OLLIE’S IDOL, VALENZUELA, TO PERHAPS WORK WITH HIM IN THE OFFSEASON. AT LEAST HE’D BE MOTIVATED BY SOMEONE HE RESPERCTS & THERE’S NO LANGUAGE ISSUE. THAT’S CERTAINLY MORE REALISTIC A SOLUTION THAN A DREAMED UP MINOR LEAGUE DEMOTION HE’D NEVER AGREE TO.
Dude reading your posts are painful! please try to keep them slightly shorter than an epic novel. Just make your point man! On top of that, your a broken record. I got you figured out CAPSLOCK, you post in disagreement with almost everyone and everything and state some obscure statistics and assumptions. So disagree with this, Omar, his entire staff of cronys need to go! There, disagree with that is 10M words or less.
The words “ollie” and upside are simply not compatible. And I agree, Maine throws too many pitches and cannot finish guys off. I see 89 mph right now. I do not tender 89 mph. But the mets look at life through rose colored glasses.
CAPSLOCK=DISABILITY ACCOMODATION
JDON, MY MISTAKE, I WAS REFERRING TO OLLIE’S VERY COMPARATIVE NUMBERS AT THE SAME AGE TO THOSE OF OTHER SLOWER DEVELOPING LH SP(KOUFAX,UNIT,LEITER) IN EARLIER POSTING COMMENTARIES I DELINEATE THE SIMILARITIES. SO POTENTIAL & UPSIDE ARE STILL WORDS I’D USE ON A LH SP(28) WITH “STUFF” THAT DOESN’T ALWAYS FIT INTO THE STRIKEZONE.
RE. MAINE, AGAIN, IN HIS 20s JUST REMOVED FROM FIRST SIMPLE SURGURY GONE MORE COMPLICATED. IS A VALID GAMBLE IN MY OPINION WITH LESS RISK THAN A SHEETS,GARLAND, ETC. & WORTH A SIMPLE TENDER. GUN MOSTLY @ 91 NOT 89 OR 93/94 AS PRE INJURY VELOCITY WAS & MAY RET’N TO. AGAIN WE’RE NOT DISCUSSING MULTI-YR OR HIGH $ HERE. THERE’S TIME ENOUGH FOR A TENDER/TEST DRIVE POST SURGICAL EVALUATION.
MASK, OUR BIG DIFFERENCE IS U BELIEVE OLLIE IS A 2-BIT LEFTY, I DON’T BELIEVE 2-BIT LEFTIES AMASS 15W SEASONS OR DOMINATE IN THEIR FIRST PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE THERE IA A “YET TO BE FOUND” SOLUTION TO OLLIE’S MECHANICAL ISSUES THAT CAUSES HIS INCONSISTANT WILDNESS. HE HAS HAD GAMES WHEN HE’S WALKED FEW. MOST ALL OF WHICH WERE DOMINATING VICTORIES. THIS IS WHERE LISTENING TO COMPETITORS FEED PAYS OFF WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DISTINCTLY RECALL A PARTICULAR START OLLIE HAD Vs. ATL (‘07?) WHEN THEIR HOMER ANNUNCERS REG EXCUSED THE ATL LINEUP FOR FAILING/FLAILING BECAUSE THEY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE AGAINST THIS UNPREDICTABLE LEFTY WHO, BTW, DIDN’T ISSUE ANY BB. ONCE THE SOLUTION IS FOUND, OLLIE WILL BEWCOME A FORCE IN ANY ROTATION. I’VE NEVER SAID HE WAS CERTAIN TO WARRANT INCLUSION IN THE COMPANY I REFERENCE; BUT I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE HE HAS THE RAW TALENT TO BELONG. UNFORTUNATLY, LIKE SANDY, IT MAY COME TOO LATE TO TRULY COMPILE OVERWELMING NUMBERS.
62, I’m not worrying about Ollie not having enough time left in his “career” to compile overwhelming numbers reminsicent of Koufax or the Big Unit. Rather, I am worrying about him having any future whatsoever. He reminds me of Al Leiter trying to pitch at the end of his career, always trying to hit the black, low on the inside to right hand batters and then missing because his control is just not that good. The result is he piles up walks and then says “Walks are part of baseball”. He is getting nothing whatsoever from Warthen, and in fact, I wonder if they are actually speaking to each other after Warthen insulted him in front of the world during ST. With his poor work ethic, I don’t see anything good coming from Ollie. Unfortunately, like all things in life, hard work is required to attain success. Ollie is shown that he is more ready to sit on his cushy fat contract than bust his butt working. Yes, when he focuses on his mechanics, he pitches somewhat better. But how long does that last, 2 innings at best and then he loses focus and gets his mechanics scrambled. Ollie is a huge project that will never get straightened out. His one good year is fading into the distant past very rapidly. You can look to potential, but we don’t get W’s with potential; we get them with hard work and concentration, which are not in Ollie’s repertoir.
very well said Mask. Ollie’s work ethic and his attitude is the problem. I tried to say that to CAPSLOCK yesterday but he will not respond to that issue of course. After Ollie got his contract, (I prefer to call it a robbery), he barely showed up in spring training. After signing the robbery THAT was the time to kick it into overdrive and dominate, not retire on the clock. Ollie may posses some skills, but when the stars, moons, and planets align he is still only able to string together two maybe three innings top before he melts down. That is NOT major league level skill. He needs to be sent to single A,because that is the level where “potential” is realized and grown/built; NOT at this level.
ACE, I DISAGREE WITH YOU! PITHY ENOUGH. TRY REALISTIC SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF KNEEJERK COMPLAINTS FOR ONCE, U OFTEN SOUND MORE LIKE A PETULANT SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT’S NEVER DULL. DO THE WILPONS HAVE FAULTS? OMAR? JERRY? YES TO ALL EMPHATICALLY. ARE THERE WORSE OUT THERE? MOST ASSUREDLY. DOES CONSERVATIVE BASEBALL OPERATIONS WORK IN ST. LOUIS? CERTAINLY. THEY’RE NORMALLY CONTENDING. WHEN THEY AREN’T THEIR FANS AREN’T EATING THEIR OWN. WONDER WHY? P A T I E N C E & M A T U R I T Y.
Once again capslock, your typing words but making no sense or points except to say you disagree and make some more insults. Insults by the way reflect on your maturity level, as well as your continued action of sticking your own head in the sand instead of seeing the reality of this team. your continued and dull argument on the restrictions the Wilpons have placed on your hero Omar is weak at best. That is your only reason for wanting Omar to stay, and you continually defend him regardless of all the blunders he is responsible for. Try that for your “reality is never dull”. We have given point after point that he should be fired, actual performance related points instaed of the “well it’s all the wilpons fault” argument you love so much. please understand this as I have told you at least 100 times…NO ONE IS HAVING A LOVEFEST WITH THE WILPONS EITHER CAPSLOCK!!! THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO! I WANT THEM TO SELL!!!
ACE, MY REASONS FOR KEEPING OMAR: W-L. IN THE 5 YRS PRE-OMAR THE TEAM’S RECORD WAS 388-420 FROM 2000-2004; BUT WITH OMAR FROM 2005-PRESENT MISERY THE RECORD STANDS AT 423-379. EVERYTHING ELSE IS HOUSEKEEPING. INFLUX OF BELTRAN,SANTANA,DELGADO,K-ROD FAR OUTWEIGHS PETTY COMPLAINTS OVER SALARIES & TIME INVESTED IN CASTILLO & PEREZ.
IF I’M WRONG BY JUDGING PERFORMANCE ON W&L I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ERROR. WHAT ARE U MEASURING ON? BS? NITS? WHAT NYM GM ACCOMPLISHED MORE OUTSIDE OF FRANK CASHEN? BTW THERE WERE 10 OTHERS. PITHY ENOUGH? NOT 1 INSULT OTHER THAN YOURS TO MY INTELLIGENCE. SCORBOARD. STANDINGS. WHATEVER U CALL IT. HIS TEAMS ALSO LEAD IN DISAPPOINTMENTS DID HE NOT ADDRESS THE CAUSES? ‘06,’07 SPing FAILED. DID HE NOT ACQUIRE BEST AVAILABLE STUD AGAINST ALL ODDS? ‘08 LATE RELIEF FAILED. ACQUIRED 2 OF TOP 5 CLOSERS AVAILABLE. HEIR & A SPARE. NO TOP FLIGHT POSITIONAL PLAYERS SURRENDERED. PETERSON CONTROLED PITCHING DUMPING PRETRTY GOOD PROSPECTS. WE ALL COMPLAIN RE WILPONS; BUT COMPARED TO OWNERSHIP IN PITT,KC,CINCY THEY AREN’T HORRIBLE. COMPARED TO BOSOX,NYY THEY CERTAINLY SUCK. HAVE U EVER REALLY STOPPED TO EVALUATE THE TOTAL DEVASTATION OF THIS SEASON? SIMILAR TO KATRINA EFFECT UPON N’ORLENS. I RECENTLY DID RESPOND TO MY COUSIN (A NYY FAN) WITH A BREAKDOWN I’LL PASTE IT INTO MY NEXT COMMENT SO AS TO NOT OVERPOWER THE BOARD.
LOSING 75% OF CORE+120% OF ROTATION IS WHY! ORIG 4 OF 5 SP + 2 REPLACEMENT STARTERS ON D/L THAT’S 6 OUT OF 5 ON D/L
TRY 1000+ DAYS OF D/L TIME AS CAUSE OF FAILED SEASON, NOT COVERING “FUNDIS” WITH EVERY POSSIBLE IMPORTED REPLACEMENT STIFF. CONSIDERING 15 OF 25 ORIG ACTIVE ROSTER MISSED ST DUE TO WBC, MNGT HAD LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS FUNDIs WITH STALWARTS, LET ALONE ALL THE MYRIAD OF BACKUPS. CONSIDER 4 SS USED, 4 1B, 4 CF, 4 LF,4 RF 4 C, AT LEAST 14 SP REG IN ROTATION FOR MORE THAN I GS (SANTANA,PELFREY,STONER,PEREZ,MAINE,NIESE,NIEVE,LIVAN,VARGAS,REDDING, FIGUEROA,MISCH,PARNELL,DESSENS)
EVEN AT THIS LATE DATE 10 MEMBERS(25%) OF THE 40 MAN ROSTER ARE STILL ON D/L.
PERHAPS TYHE EASIEST, MOST STARTLING WAY TO SHOW THIS IS BY GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, OPENNING DAY 25 MAN ACTIVE ROSTER AND LISTING ALL THOSE THAT HAVE NOT LOST SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME TO THE D/L:
FELICIANO
GREEN
PELFREY
K-ROD
STOKES
CASTILLO
MURPHY
TATIS*
REED*
*BENCH, NON STARTING ROLE PLAYER FROM DAY 1 OF THE SEASON.
INJURIES ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THE GAME & USUALLY NO EXCUSE; BUT THE VAST NUMBER & TOTALITY OF SCOPE INVOLVED IS BEYOND “PART OF THE GAME” STATUS. IT’S DISASTROUS. THE MERE FACT THAT ABLE BODIED MLB PLAYERS WERE ON HAND TO PLAY, EVEN AT A MUCH REDUCED PRODUCTIVITY LEVEL, IS AMAZING. ONLY TWO REPLACEMENTS HAD TO BE SECURED FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION’S ON-HAND SUPPLY(WILSON VALDEZ, ANDERSON HERNANDEZ) BECAUSE INITIAL BACKUP & NEXT LEVEL ALSO LOST TO D/L(ALEX CORA, RAMON MARTINEZ). PRETTY AMAZING & TESTIMONY TO ORG DEPTH
I’VE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THE CORE OF DELGADO,WRIGHT,REYES,BELTRAN PLAYED TOGETHER IN ONLY 25 GAMES THIS SEASON TO A RECORD OF 15-10. THE 5 MAN ORIGINAL ROTATION OF SANTANA,PELFREY,PEREZ,MAINE,REDDING WAS NOT INTACT FROM OPENNING DAY WITH SEASON OPENNING WITH REDDING ON D/L REPL BY LIVAN( ORIG TICKETED TO BUFFALO)
AS OF TODAY 158 GAMES PLAYED & EXPECTED GS BY SP @ 31
PLAYER GAMES PERCENT
DELGADO 26 16%
REYES 36 22%
WRIGHT 141 89%
BELTRAN 78 49%
SANTANA 25GS 80%
MAINE 14GS 45%
PEREZ 14GS 45%
REDDING 16GS 51%
NO TEAM COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT AMOUNT OF DEVASTATION, MODERN DAY EQUIVILENT BEING N’ORLENS Vs KATRINA
PERSONALLY, I CAN’T RECALL ANY OTHER TIME OR TEAM THAT HAS UNDERGONE SUCH TRIALS/TREVAILS, CERTAINLY THE METS EXPERIENCE DEVASTATION TO THEIR ROTATION IN ‘87; BUT NON-PITCHERS, POSISTION PLAYERS STAYED MOSTLY HEALTHY WITHIN NORMAL EXPECTATIONS. NO PORTION OF THE COMPETING SQUAD WAS LEFT UNTOUCHED PITCHING(STARTING & PEN),OFFENSE,DEFENSE ALL DECIMATED. HAD THE NYY EXPERIENCED EQUIVELANT CATASTROPHIC DECIMATION, THEY’RE PRESENT DOMINATING SEASION GOES POOF! TRY TO IMAGINE YOUR ROTATION WITHOUT CC,ANDY,JOBA FOR BET 20 & 55% OF THE GAMES. NO TEX, NO JETER FOR MORE THAN 75% OF SEASON. CURRENT B/Us LOST TOO! IMPOSSIBLE? THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT, SO DID NYM FRONT OFFICE. UNPRECEDENTED
Here we go again with the massive epic novel. capslock, you are a very stubborn person. As to the insults..”SPOILED LITTLE SALLY RATHER THAN A MATURE, UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTIONS BASEBALL MAN. TRY REALITY, IT’S NEVER DULL.” I believe that qualifies as one…
Now, I will say this for the last time because you just don’t want to face reality. I WANT THE WILPONS GONE TOO!!!!
Now, With as many factual reasons as we have posted with re: to Omar losing his job, and just as many fans agree that he should go, YOU are the only one that is right? I guess we ALL have it wrong and as it turns out YOUR the expert. Here’s the truth…you love to post in opposition to almost everything, spout obscure stats, compare obscure past, and stir all that in to a long novel-like post…that makes you feel superior apparently. But in reality you simply refuse to admit your wrong about Omar, and his entire staff. With all those brilliant move and aquisitions you stated that omar has made where has it gotton us the past three years?
How about this stat: 67-91 THIS year! Don’t tell me injuries – he did nothing to resolve that except for “wait and see”. What about all the injured players that he predicted to be back after the ASG that were better than anyone out there? Cards got Holliday and a trip to post-season. Phils got Cliff Lee and a dynasty in our division. We made 1 minor deal with the Braves. Omar did squat. We don’t even know if Reyes will be ready by ST. Total mismanagment. Stop focusing on ancient history and look at the present for a change. A total makeover is required from top to bottom of the administration and coaching staff.
ACE, SPEAKING WITHIN REALM OF REALITY, DO U REALIZE THE OWNERSHIP COMMITTEE MUST APPROVE ANY OWNERSHIP TRANSFER? THE METS, BY BEING BIGGER SPENDERS THAN MOST, ARE CERTAINLY A TEAM COMPETITVE OWNERS WOULD WANT TO CURTAIL THE SPENDING OF. REALITY DICTATES THERE IS ABSOF***INGPOSITIVELY NO WAY THEY APPROVE THE TEAM BEING SOLD TO ANYONE THEY PERCEIVE TO BE A FREER SPENDER THAN THE WILPONS. SEE MARK CUBAN’S FAILED ATTEMPT AT GAINING APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE CUBS. CERTAINLY I’D LOVE TO SEE A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP BEHAVIOR IF NOT OWNERSHIP. TO CONDEMN AN EMPLOYEE FOR THE PRACTICES & POLICIES OF HIS EMPLOYER IS LUDICROUS, RATHER AN EMPLOYEE WHO PUSHES THE EDGE OF THE COMPANY ENVELOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SECOND HIGHEST W% OF ANY PREDECESSOR, SHOULD BE CELEBRATED FOR WHAT HE’S DONE, NOT CONDEMNED FOR WHAT HE COULDN’T DO.
IF ANYONE BELIEVES THAT A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER WITH A SCVANDALOUS PAST HAS ANY CHANCE OF EVER DONNING BLUE & ORANGE IN FLUSHING THEY HAVEN’T PAID ANY ATTENTION & ARE GULLIBLE. NOT ONLY PLAYERS; BUT MNGRS ALSO(BACKMAN,VALENTINE.)HELL, THE WILPONS SUSPENDED THEIR GM(PHILLIPS, FOR A YR FOR A PERSONAL, PRIVATE LIFE MATTER(INFIDELITY) SOME THINK THEIR GOING OUT & HIRING A DRUNKEN WIFE BEATER? OR A GUY WITH A HISTORY OF BAD-MOUTHING HIS EMPLOYERS IN THE MEDIA? PERSONALLY, I’M REALLY NOT INTO “THE BLAME GAME” I NEVER BOO ANY PLAYER ON MY TEAM WHO’S ACTUALLY TRYING. THE ONLY NYM PLAYER I BELIEVE DESERVED THAT TREATMENT @ HOME WERE ROGER CEDENO, BOBBY BONILLA,RICKEY HENDERSON, VINCE COLEMAN. I’M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS; BUT THAT’S OFF THE TOP.
SINCE I DON’T LIVE WITH NYC VICINITY, IS THERE ANYONE WHO POINT TO FORMER PERENIAL CONTENDERS LIKE PITTSBURGH,CINCINATTI,KC,ATLANTA OWNERSHIP APPRECIATIVLY? THEIR OWNERS GUTTED THEIR CONTENDING ROSTERS PURELY FOR FINANCIAL GAINS. HOW MANY TOP NOTCH FREE AGENTS DID THEY ALLW TO WALK OR DEALT AWAY IN ORDER TO SAVE A BUCK OR TWO? NYM?
to the issue of patience, how many years of patience has Omar got so far? I am only this year on the Omar hate club. Omar himself has made the case to fire him a good one.
ACE, MOST REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD SEE THE DEVASTATION FROM THIS YEAR & REALIZE IT’S DEFINED AS “AN ACT OF GOD”"BEYOND REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS” EVEN IF I INCLUDE THIS YEARS MISERABLE RECORD W% OMAR’S 5 YR TERM HAS BEEN THE SECOND BEST OVER ANY 5 YR PERIOD OVER THE PAAST 29 YRS.
‘05-’09 .527 W% (EXCL ‘09 .551 W%)
‘00-’04 .480 W%
‘95-’99 .520 W%
‘90-’94 .465 W%
‘85-’89 .648 W%
‘80-’84 .439 W%
I THOUGHT IT WAS WINNING THAT COUNTED AS THE ONLY REAL VALID MEASURMENT, AM I WRONG? WHAT ARE U USING? EMOTION OR FACT?
maybe you’ve been on another planet, but in case you couldn’t tell “most people” think Omar should go. And “this year” is not the totality of the reason why.
ACE, FIRST OFF, I MAKE MY OWN VALUATIONS AND TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA IS W-L, IF U HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE, I;LL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT
ONE ADVANTAGE I HAVE IS I’M PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN NC, FAR FROM WFAN RECEPTION, THOGH I DO GET SNY & YES RECEPTION ON MY DIRECTV CONNECTION. AS SUCH I’M FAIRLY INSULATED FROM THE CRIES OF THE ANGRY TORCHBEARERS. TO THOSE WHO FAULT OMAR FOR NOT ACQUIRING LEE,DeROSA OR HOLIDAY, I’M BEMUSED BY THEIR WILLINGNESS TO THROW MORE MILLIONS DOWN THE D/L RATHOLE. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, STARTING WITH A GUARANTEED PAYROLL OF $149M, GETTING RID OF NOTHING SIGNIFICANT & ADDING 14M EACH FOR HALLADAY & HOLLIDAY AS WELL AS THE SALARIES OF OTHER “WONDER” SOLUTIONS WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THE TEAM INTO A POSTSAESON BERTH. NOT EVEN IF THEY COULD’VE ADDED LINCECUM & PUJOLS. WITH TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT OF REYES’ ADDITIONAL INJURY TO HAMSTRING MUSCLE. I BELIEVE IT’S CLEAR, BEYOND DOUBT THE ENTIRE TRAINING STAFF SHOULD BE FIRED. ONE OF THE KEY CONTRIBUTORY, AVOIDABLE ISSUES HAS BEEN INJURIES TO PLAYERS ON REHAB PROGRAMS, REYES,DELGADO,MAINE,SCHNEIDER,PEREZ ALL SUSTAINED ADDITIONAL INJURIES WHILE SUPPOSEDLY ON A MONITORED,APPROVED REHAB PROGRAM. THE TRAINER’S ONLY JOB IS TO ENSURE AN OVER ZEALOUS ATHELETE DOES NOT OVERDO HIS PROGRAM RESULTING IN ADDITIONALLY RELATED INJURIES. 1 PLAYER EFFECTED IS A MISTAKE OR ACCIDENT, 2 POSSIBLY INCOMPETANCE; BUT 5 IS ABJECT MALPHEASANCE/MALPRACTICE.
Look man, I’m done arguing with you about Omar. if you want to rationalize keeping him on based on the W/L, fine. I prefer basing my reasons for firing him on results or lack thereof, such as pennants, world series appearances,etc. Many have tried to reason with you regarding how horrible Omar is and you continue to stick your head in the sand and “hope for the best”. I find you completely unreasonable. I’m done responding to you CAPSLOCK, maybe Mask will continue to show you patience.