Comments on: More Dark Days Ahead… http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-dark-days-ahead Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:54:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-27039 theonlymaskman Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:22:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-27039 It's all the money and cutting him put $3.5 mil in the Wilpon's pockets. Getting something back was secondary with that much moola at stake. Sheffield was different. We only had $400K in him, so when the Jints offered a bag of balls, Omar pulled him back. Billy was going even if all we got back was a groundskeeper who is skilled at unrolling tarps. It’s all the money and cutting him put $3.5 mil in the Wilpon’s pockets. Getting something back was secondary with that much moola at stake. Sheffield was different. We only had $400K in him, so when the Jints offered a bag of balls, Omar pulled him back. Billy was going even if all we got back was a groundskeeper who is skilled at unrolling tarps.

]]> By: Luis Venitucci http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-27036 Luis Venitucci Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:05:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-27036 This was amazingly stupid!! Why trade Wags when IF the Mets are good next year you could have him in the pen OR offer him abritration and get 2 Picks- Of course Minaya would have drafted 2 college utility inf with "good hands" and an ability to run, who would have hit .183 at A ball. This shows little baseball savvy- QUALITY ML players are hard to find and well worth the expense- it is paying OP 12 Million a year that is laughable, or Castillo(credit for this year no doubt, and his ability to handle his Gaffes like a man) for 4 years.Wags was a USEFUL ML pitcher/trade piece and we got Nada for him....Omar must go-if for no other reason than having no plan. This was amazingly stupid!! Why trade Wags when IF the Mets are good next year you could have him in the pen OR offer him abritration and get 2 Picks- Of course Minaya would have drafted 2 college utility inf with “good hands” and an ability to run, who would have hit .183 at A ball. This shows little baseball savvy- QUALITY ML players are hard to find and well worth the expense- it is paying OP 12 Million a year that is laughable, or Castillo(credit for this year no doubt, and his ability to handle his Gaffes like a man) for 4 years.Wags was a USEFUL ML pitcher/trade piece and we got Nada for him….Omar must go-if for no other reason than having no plan.

]]> By: Mets unfaithful http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26943 Mets unfaithful Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:47:37 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26943 Ya your right, the Mets dont have any other needs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA Ya your right, the Mets dont have any other needs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26938 theonlymaskman Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:17:11 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26938 Not in the plan. The Wilpon's need the dough for their financial recovery. Not in the plan. The Wilpon’s need the dough for their financial recovery.

]]> By: tlagee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26935 tlagee Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:59:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26935 Wiat - there may be a silver linning to this deal. Omar trades Billy Wagner and saves Fred Wilpon 3.5 million. What can Fred do with the 3.5 million? He can buy Omar out of his contract! I'm a glass half full type of guy. Wiat – there may be a silver linning to this deal. Omar trades Billy Wagner and saves Fred Wilpon 3.5 million. What can Fred do with the 3.5 million? He can buy Omar out of his contract!
I’m a glass half full type of guy.

]]> By: theonlymaskman http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26932 theonlymaskman Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:42:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26932 But the Wilpons walk away with $3.5 mil in their fiscal recovery fund. But the Wilpons walk away with $3.5 mil in their fiscal recovery fund.

]]> By: Dan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26927 Dan Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:30:10 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26927 I think the big question is whether the Mets could have gotten the draft picks out of the arbitration process. If yes, this is probably a bad deal. If not, it is a great deal. Let’s consider this: even if Wagner pitches lights out, he is a 38-year-old relief pitcher. Given what we saw with Juan Cruz last year, does a team give up its first-rounder for Wagner? I think it is far more likely that a team with a protected first-rounder, or one who has already signed one Type A guy signs him, and then the Mets get a sandwich pick and a second rounder, which isn’t that impressive. And that is a top scenario. Consider the other alternatives: Wagner pitches badly in September and hurts his value. Wagner gets injured. Or worst of all: Wagner decides he can’t get $8 million anywhere else, and accepts arbitration, and the Mets can’t afford to sign anyone else of consequence in the off season. The good thing here, is we can speculate now, but we get to see how the Wagner situation now plays out for the Red Sox. If they get the picks, we can all bad mouth Minaya. And if not, we all get to feel good about this trade. I think the big question is whether the Mets could have gotten the draft picks out of the arbitration process. If yes, this is probably a bad deal. If not, it is a great deal.

Let’s consider this: even if Wagner pitches lights out, he is a 38-year-old relief pitcher. Given what we saw with Juan Cruz last year, does a team give up its first-rounder for Wagner? I think it is far more likely that a team with a protected first-rounder, or one who has already signed one Type A guy signs him, and then the Mets get a sandwich pick and a second rounder, which isn’t that impressive.

And that is a top scenario. Consider the other alternatives: Wagner pitches badly in September and hurts his value. Wagner gets injured. Or worst of all: Wagner decides he can’t get $8 million anywhere else, and accepts arbitration, and the Mets can’t afford to sign anyone else of consequence in the off season.

The good thing here, is we can speculate now, but we get to see how the Wagner situation now plays out for the Red Sox. If they get the picks, we can all bad mouth Minaya. And if not, we all get to feel good about this trade.

]]> By: Shanty Irish http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26926 Shanty Irish Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:27:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26926 haha...exactly haha…exactly

]]> By: Aye http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26913 Aye Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:50:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26913 can he pitch? can he pitch?

]]> By: Mets unfaithful http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26911 Mets unfaithful Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:28:19 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26911 I say give the guy a chance. The way I see it, this guy never really got his shot. Put him in there(full time) and lets see what he can do with his bat in the big leagues. Whats the worst that can happen? Maybe he bats .310 in Sept. and gets himself a spring training invite for next year. I say give the guy a chance. The way I see it, this guy never really got his shot. Put him in there(full time) and lets see what he can do with his bat in the big leagues. Whats the worst that can happen? Maybe he bats .310 in Sept. and gets himself a spring training invite for next year.

]]> By: Aye http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26858 Aye Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:39:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26858 I believe he has had a .300+ average every season at AAA that he has been with, this is the only year he has had a below .300 average but still, he is a career minor leaguer scrub and this was a horrible trade I dont think it was completely minaya's fault. Clearly the wilpons wanted to get rid of salary while not thinking about the future and the first round draft pick we would have received... I believe he has had a .300+ average every season at AAA that he has been with, this is the only year he has had a below .300 average but still, he is a career minor leaguer scrub and this was a horrible trade

I dont think it was completely minaya’s fault. Clearly the wilpons wanted to get rid of salary while not thinking about the future and the first round draft pick we would have received…

]]> By: Will http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26856 Will Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:37:37 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26856 WOULDN'T MATTER IF THE METS GOT THOSE COMPENSATION DRAFT PICKS THEY WON'T PAY OVER SLOT AND JUST LIKE THIS YEAR THEY WON'T PAY THE PLAYERS THEY DRAFTED. WILPONS BETTER WAKE UP FAST OR THERE GOING TO BE LOSING MORE THAN THE 700 MILLION DOLLARS... WOULDN’T MATTER IF THE METS GOT THOSE COMPENSATION DRAFT PICKS THEY WON’T PAY OVER SLOT AND JUST LIKE THIS YEAR THEY WON’T PAY THE PLAYERS THEY DRAFTED. WILPONS BETTER WAKE UP FAST OR THERE GOING TO BE LOSING MORE THAN THE 700 MILLION DOLLARS…

]]> By: MJ http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26851 MJ Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:33:53 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26851 There was no dup there. It was an obviously boneheaded move by Omar. I would have rather had those picks. The Mets REALLY need to restock the farm system. Did anything ever come of the stable they are setting up in the Dominican republic? It sucks that we are reduced to hot stove talk before the end of August. There was no dup there. It was an obviously boneheaded move by Omar. I would have rather had those picks. The Mets REALLY need to restock the farm system. Did anything ever come of the stable they are setting up in the Dominican republic? It sucks that we are reduced to hot stove talk before the end of August.

]]> By: Jessep http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26849 Jessep Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:32:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26849 Devin: I apologize, I was going on this: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265320.html Devin: I apologize, I was going on this: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265320.html

]]> By: Devin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26844 Devin Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:04:05 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26844 Fans should go to CitiField and start a revolt against this administration. Don't buy tickets to get into CitiField, just picket outside CitiField. As long as the Wilpons and Minaya run this team, we will never sniff another .500 season let alone a division title. Fans should go to CitiField and start a revolt against this administration. Don’t buy tickets to get into CitiField, just picket outside CitiField. As long as the Wilpons and Minaya run this team, we will never sniff another .500 season let alone a division title.

]]> By: Devin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26843 Devin Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:00:47 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26843 If Carter was ranked number 8 for Arizona in 2008, it would have been a really neat trick being that the D-Backs traded him to the Nationals in 2007, and the Nats traded him to the Red Sox later in 2007. Carter wasn't in the Red Sox top 20, and I couldn't find a top 50 so how knows where he ranks now. If Carter was ranked number 8 for Arizona in 2008, it would have been a really neat trick being that the D-Backs traded him to the Nationals in 2007, and the Nats traded him to the Red Sox later in 2007. Carter wasn’t in the Red Sox top 20, and I couldn’t find a top 50 so how knows where he ranks now.

]]> By: Jessep http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26840 Jessep Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:50:36 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26840 Eh I don't mind the trade honestly. Mainly, the Mets have proven they aren't exactly the best at scouting the draft... nor do they spend the big money on top prospects any way. All they would have done is screwed up whatever supplemental pick we'd have gotten. At least with Carter and ??? they at least KNOW what they are getting. In 2008 he was ranked In 2008 Carter was ranked #8 among Arizona's prospects. He's not a bad player. http://thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Chris-Carter.shtml Do I think he'll be an every day player? Who knows. But I think they have more of a shot at using Carter for something valuable than hitting the jackpot with a supplemental pick that's for sure. Eh I don’t mind the trade honestly. Mainly, the Mets have proven they aren’t exactly the best at scouting the draft… nor do they spend the big money on top prospects any way. All they would have done is screwed up whatever supplemental pick we’d have gotten. At least with Carter and ??? they at least KNOW what they are getting. In 2008 he was ranked

In 2008 Carter was ranked #8 among Arizona’s prospects. He’s not a bad player. http://thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Chris-Carter.shtml

Do I think he’ll be an every day player? Who knows. But I think they have more of a shot at using Carter for something valuable than hitting the jackpot with a supplemental pick that’s for sure.

]]> By: Ace http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26839 Ace Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:30:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26839 If they think this product is losing money now, wait till next year when ticket sales drop off. No way all of Omar's blunders will not affect how many people decide to buy season tickets. This was probably one of the worst screw ups Omar has made. Why do I say that? Because Omar didn't have to do anything at all but sit back and collect his two draft picks. Wagner had already decided to stay! it was a win-win. Instead, we got a career AA player and some other player that is “not of significance.” That pretty much sums up what Omar, Jerry, and the Wilpons have turned this organization into, we're the mets and we're “not of significance.” It's embarrassing, disheartening, and sad. And to finish it off, Omar is going nowhere! If they think this product is losing money now, wait till next year when ticket sales drop off. No way all of Omar’s blunders will not affect how many people decide to buy season tickets. This was probably one of the worst screw ups Omar has made. Why do I say that? Because Omar didn’t have to do anything at all but sit back and collect his two draft picks. Wagner had already decided to stay! it was a win-win. Instead, we got a career AA player and some other player that is “not of significance.” That pretty much sums up what Omar, Jerry, and the Wilpons have turned this organization into, we’re the mets and we’re “not of significance.” It’s embarrassing, disheartening, and sad. And to finish it off, Omar is going nowhere!

]]> By: metspapi http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26837 metspapi Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:19:31 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26837 haha what did you expect, clay bucholz? haha what did you expect, clay bucholz?

]]> By: vegas chris http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/08/more-dark-days-ahead.html#comment-26836 vegas chris Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:17:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=11915#comment-26836 A season so full of hope and possibilitys has been slowly flushed down the toilet for so many months. I just want it to end asap, this may be worse then the sept collapes. A season so full of hope and possibilitys has been slowly flushed down the toilet for so many months. I just want it to end asap, this may be worse then the sept collapes.

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