Comments on: Looking Back on Omar’s Last Deadline Deal

By: Figgy Applesauce - Mets face mismatch, Bernazard vs. chaplain, Wilpon in the pros, Billy Joel in Philly

Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:12:30 +0000

[...] Remember Omar’s last deadline deal? Not terrible, actually. It’s the subsequent re-signing of Ollie that causes me to punch my computer. [...]

By: LMAO@OMAR

LMAO@OMAR — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:18:11 +0000

The bottom line is simple, all the best teams make trades mid season to get the slight edge needed to get to the play offs. That means a good GM will make pull the trigger and not sit on his hands like a scared little school girl afraid of getting an F on her report card. If Omar can’t take the heat of being a N.Y. GM he needs to go elsewhere. If he can’t beging to grow a set and get the best guys available he needs to go. If his pride prevents him from trading “his guys” because he really believes he get sthe best scouting the he need to show us the results or get a deal done. Too bad we are not doing what the best franchises in MLB do every year. We don’t get the best guys out there DURING the season. We don’t get more than one big deal in the off season. The Jays wanted prospects for a Cy Young caliber pitcher, give up some of them. We could have made a run at Halladay. Can you imagine Halladay and Johan in the line up. That’s ACE 1 and ACE 1.0000000001. Then you have Pelfrey who is still getting better all the time in the 3rd pitcher slot. There are may clubs that would love to have a solid staff for 3 days and then only have to worry about the last 2 guys. But wait, we would have Maine coming back for the forthe day. Then our number 5 would be …. It wouldn’t matter. We could hang 3 “W’s” every 5 days for the whole season and be WAY better than .500 it would put us closer to like .600. So then the last 2 guys just need to pick up a game here or there and then here come the Mets to the post season. Well, enough dreaming, we are still Mets fans who are blessed with a scared GM and a manager who is doing as well as can be expected with what he has. With all of that said all I can say is, “LET GO METS! LETS GO METS! LETS GO METS!” That after all is my job as a fan, I cheer for my team. As long as I do my job the rest will hopefuly come around. If you don’t believe me ask any 60 year old Red Sox fan or any 110 year old Cubs fan. Ok, forget the Cubs fan but still, we do our jobs and cheer and hope for the best from the rest.

By: Devin

Devin — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 02:39:40 +0000

That deal was for roberto hernandez and Perez WAS a throw in. I read three diferent articles and not one of them mentioned anything about Perez being a key componenet much less the target. You need a reality check.

By: The Stache

The Stache — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:01:01 +0000

I never heard this theory before and I find it hard to believe that it’s true. I wonder if there is a link to support this as if it is true, Omar gave us a glimpse of his incompetency as far back as 2006.

By: Phil Hoops

Phil Hoops — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:35:43 +0000

I was not aware of that, however if Perez was Minaya’s target then I’m going to have to agree with OMF that was a pretty bad trade. Why on earth would you trade one of your solid hitters for a reclamation project? Still I have yet to find any evidence that suggests that the target of this trade was Perez and not Hernandez.

This NY Times article seems to suggest that the target of the trade was Hernandez…
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E6DC1331F935A2575AC0A9609C8B63

By: OMF

OMF — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:54:51 +0000

If Omar’s intent was to get Oliver Perez all along, than he did in fact get fleeced. If the deal was a modified Nady for Ollie, that’s just terrible. Especially when you consider he was in the minors and a 8.50 ERA. Nady at the time was one of the Mets core hitters, but of course he was also not latino.

By: RealityChuck

RealityChuck — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:40:38 +0000

Let’s get this straight: Perez was NOT a throw-in. If you actually had read newspaper accounts at the time (i.e., the New York Times), the Mets had earlier in the season had discussed a Perez-for-Nady trade. Omar was intrigued by the deal, but decided it made no sense to trade an every day outfielder for a pitcher who had been sent down to the minors.

When Sanchez went down, Omar revisited the trade and asked Pittsburgh to add Hernandez to the deal the Pirates were willing to make earlier.

Minaya wanted Perez. The myth of the “throw-in” came from bloggers who didn’t know the facts.

By: Phil Hoops

Phil Hoops — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:27:01 +0000

I think the Mets got what they wanted in the trade which was a reliable reliever for the rest of the 2006 season, however I think in the long run the team would have rather had Nady over Perez. I’m not necessarily saying the trade was bad for the Mets at all. All I’m saying is that the Mets, in my opinion, would’ve been better off in the long run had they had Nady.

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:23:42 +0000

I don’t think there is anyway you can say that the Pirates got the better end of the Mets in this trade. When Sanchez got hurt the Mets “had” to make a move, and unfortunately it cost them Nady. However, you can’t seriously say that Minaya got fleeced in this trade. Roberto Hernandez pitched very well after he was acquired,and then later turned into a second round pick…Brent Rustich I believe. He certainly has been injured since being drafted, but he has some potential. Surprisingly enough, Oliver Perez tilted this trade…in the Mets favor. The hard throwing lefty who had been toiling in the minors for the Pirates, continued to struggle with control shortly after being acquired. But, as all of us remember if it weren’t for Ollie we don’t come close in game 7 against the cardinals. He also went on to win 15 games in 2007 and then 10 in 2008. He has certainly struggled this year, and Minaya should not have re-signed him for 12 million a year. That was a mistake. But you can’t call it a mistake when the throw-in in a trade goes 28-23 for you and is in your rotation for 3 years.