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2009
Jump Off the Lowe Train. Please.
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As somebody who thinks Omar Minaya (along with Jerry Manuel) need to be fired so that this franchise can move forward and start with a fresh slate, I am however, a rare commodity. I think the signing of Oliver Perez is NOT one that should cost Minaya his job.
I read it on this site, other sites, and hear it on talk radio from fans. To quote directly from a fan post today on this site, “Why can’t they see we need starting pitchers? Ollie was NOT the answer.”
First, I don’t think anybody, not Minaya, not anybody ever said that Oliver Perez was, “the answer.” (Not picking on the person who made this statement. This is something more than one person has said in the past.) Oliver Perez was an investment in the bottom half of our starting rotation, and the only (yes the only,) free agent starting pitcher who was available and worth a multi-year deal.
Cross A.J. Burnett off your list, we all know the Mets couldn’t have competed with the Yankees for him, and until over the course of his 4 year contract he proves everybody wrong and proves he’s a legitimate #2 starter in this league year after year, I won’t believe it.
After Burnett, Derek Lowe was probably the most available and accomplished starting pitcher. I like Lowe, what I don’t like is 36 year old pitchers who give me 6 innings of work per start asking for 4 year deals. I also do not like hearing fans get on the Mets for signing Luis Castillo to a long-term contract at his age, but then ignoring his current season, while at the same time ignoring the fact that Derek Lowe has regressed. At age 36, in 8 less starts than he had last year, Lowe has already matched the number of earned runs he gave up in 2008. To date, he has already walked 4 more batters in 26 starts than he did in 34 starts last year. Furthermore, if Lowe was to have 8 more starts this year, he is on pace for 44 LESS Strikeouts. Also, Lowe is on pace to give up almost 30 more hits than he did last season.
| YR | GS | IP | ER | H | K | BB |
| 2005 | 35 | 222 | 89 | 223 | 146 | 55 |
| 2006 | 34 | 218 | 88 | 221 | 123 | 55 |
| 2007 | 32 | 199.1 | 86 | 194 | 147 | 59 |
| 2008 | 34 | 211 | 76 | 194 | 147 | 45 |
| 2009 pace | 34 | 200 | 99 | 226 | 103 | 64 |
If the Mets signed Derek Lowe to a 60 million contract until he turns 40 years old and he posted the same exact 2009 stats, Minaya’s critics would be all over him for it. When a 36 year old pitcher is on pace to give up more hits, and strikeout the least amount of batters he’s ever done in a season as a starter, that means he’s lost something. If he’s lost something at 36, what do you think is going to happen at 38? 39? He isn’t Tommy Glavine, Jamie Moyer or Greg Maddux, those guys had the skills to pitch in the late years of their career because of their ability to paint corners, and out think hitters. That’s not Lowe’s style. I’m sorry but to say the Mets should have signed Derek Lowe over Oliver Perez is ridiculous. Especially coming from the people who want the Mets to get younger, and stop wasting money on veteran free agents.
No other free agent pitcher signed a multi-year deal (nor were they worth one). Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe and Perez. That’s it. Furthermore, only two free agent pitchers were under the age of 30. Jon Garland, and Oliver Perez.
Garland would have been a decent 5th starter option, but again, if you look at his numbers, Garland doesn’t exactly have the best stuff. He gives up more hits per inning pitched, and hasn’t been the same since the 2006 season which he was average at best. He’s having a career year don’t get me wrong, but he signed a 1 year deal for a reason … he was a fill-in. There is no evidence that the Mets or any team for that matter should have given Garland more than a 1 year deal.
Oliver Perez is a head case, no doubt about it, no denying it. He has the pure stuff to be a great pitcher, but he constantly gets in his own way. The days of thinking he can be a top of the line starter are gone. However, he is capable of being a solid #4/5 starter, with the potential to maybe do more.
Quite frankly, if the Mets would have signed Derek Lowe, it would have handicapped them even further moving towards the future, including this off-season. They would have been FORCED to pen Derek Lowe into the #2 or 3 spot for at least the next two years, which would mean they’d have no room to go after any top flight free agent pitcher this year like a John Lackey, or a Rich Harden.
Omar Minaya cannot turn water into wine when it comes to players being available to him in the free agent market. Last year was a weak year, and great timing for Oliver Perez to hit the market. Mets fans need to start accepting the fact that Perez was the best option available to the Mets in the free agent market, and the best investment for the future of the pitching staff.
Today, I look for a strong outing from Oliver Perez, and hope that Pedro Martinez’s last NY start ends just like his Mets career did. In disappointment.
About the Author: Michael J. Branda
I work for a non-profit organization, working closely with all of our fundraisers in hope of one day finding a cure. My time with MMO began in July of 2009 when I wrote a Fan Post defending Omar Minaya (before it was cool to do that.) I grew up a Mets fan with the mid 1980's teams. My favorite Met of all-time is (and was) Wally Backman. When it comes to sabermetrics versus old school thinking, I like to think I meet in the middle. I believe thinking of new ways to get answers is helpful, especially when the same way has not produced results. However, I think over-thinking certain situations can get you into trouble. I'm excited for the new regime, because I believe they have pieces in place to focus on several aspects of the Mets organization. I've waited this long for a World Series, waiting a few more years for another chance isn't going to kill me.
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|---|---|---|---|---|
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| Phillies | 23 | 23 | .500 | 4.0 |
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Lowe hasn’t been as good as he was in 2008 (but 2008 was ridiculously good for him) but I have some quibbles with this post. The Braves defense has been quite bad, particularly in the infield, meaning a groundballer like Lowe will see a lot of hits given up that a competent defense otherwise wouldn’t allow. The other night’s Mets-Braves game was a perfect example – how many bleeder singles did Lowe allow in that inning?
Believe it or not, Lowe will almost definitely be worth $15 million this year. Who knows if he will be in future years, but look past his ERA (4.45) and look at his defense independent stats, which are more accurate for guaging his performance (FIP = 3.75, tERA = 3.97).
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JAMES, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE METS COULD’VE GOTTEN LOWE FOR THE SAME 15M? REMEMBER ATL GOT HIM FOR THAT AS THE ONLY TEAM SEEMINGLY INTERESTED IN DOING THAT 4th YR. VERY REMINISCIENT OF HOW WE GOT PEDRO. DEFINITLY A GAMBLE GIVING THAT 4th YR AND THAT GAMBLE CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE FOR A THIRD-FOURTH PLACE TEAM NOT A CONTENDER. ASSUMING OMAR HAD USE OF A CRYSTAL BALL & KNEW OLLIE WOULD SUCK THIS BADLY. REMEMNER, IF ATL GOT LOWE FOR 4/60 WITH BORAS AS THE BROKER THAT WOULD BECOME A STARTING FIGURE FOR NYM TO INK HIM. CONSEVATIVELY, BORAS LIKELY WOULD’VE DEMANDED MORE MOOLAH SINCE YRS WERE MAXED @ 4. LET’S STOP KIDDING OURSELVES INTO BELIEVING PRICES FOR US WOULD BE THE SAME AS PRICE SET FOR STL,ATL,MLW,ETC. WHETHER THAT’S IN TRADES OR CONTRACTS. IF I WERE GMing ANOTHER TEAM & OMAR CALLED ME ABOUT ONE OF MY PLAYERS, I’D START BY DEMANDING WRIGHT, JUST TO SEE HOW DESPERATE HE WAS & IF HE DIDN’T HANG UP, I NEGOTIATE SLOWLY DOWN FROM THERE TO SEE WHAT WAS “THE MOST” I COULD GET.
THIS TYPE OF NEGOTIATING IS CERTAINLY WHY OMAR WAS RIGHT TO PULL BACK SHEFF INSTEAD OF TAKING DESPERATE RETURN AS SOME SAY. IF HE’D DONE THAT HIS POSITION WOULD BE WEAKENED RE. DEALING VILLY SINCE, IN THIS CVASE, BOSTON WOULDN’T OFFER OTHER THAN THE MINIMUM. NOW, THEY MUST CONSIDER OMAR MAY ALSO PULL HIM BACK IF THEIR OFFER ISN’T ACCEPTABLE. NEGOTIATIONS, BARTERING IS SO RARELY BLACK & WHITE, OFTEN THEY ARE GRAY, SOMETIMES IN FULL TECHNICOLOR.
WHILE THE LOWE, NEGOTIATIONS WERE IN FULL SWING, I READ A RUMOR EMANATING OUT OF L.A. SPECULATING LOWE HAD AN ALCOHOL ISSUE. WOLF WAS AVAILABLE, YET THERE MUST BE SOME REASON HE NEVER STICKS ANYWHERE WHILE LHP IS PREMIUM. WOULD ANYONE TRUST HIM Vs PHL FOR MULTI STARTS? OLLIE’S PRECURRENT YR EFFECTIVNESS Vs PHL & ATL WAS A + FOR HIM AS WAS IT SEEMED LIKE WARTHEN’S LATE ’08 EFFECT WAS A STRONG POSITIVE. GARLAND IN THE EAST DIV EWAS NO “MUST SEE”. SHEETS IS WHERE FOR ’09? IMAGINE IF THOSE FOLKS GOT THEIR WAY. OLLIE AT LEAST DSTARTED IN ’09, EVEN IF BADLY, THOSE 3 Ws WOULDN’T HAVE COME BY WAY OF SHEETS. THE TRUE QUASTION ISN’T THE USUAL HINDSIGHT EQUIVICATOR OF “IF I ONLY KNEW THEN, EHAT I KNOW NOW” BUT ASK THIS, “IF I ONLY KNEW NOW, WHAT I KNEW THEN? U STILL CAN’T HONESTLY SAY OLLIE EWAS A DEFINITE BUST.
HAS HE TURNED HIMSELF INTO ONE? CERTAINLY! THANKS WBC! WHO COULD’VE KNOWN HE’D DISCARD ALL OF WARTEN’S CHANGES? PERSONALLY, I’VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY TALENTED HEADCASES IN MY LIFE. JUDSGING ONLY BY PHYSICAL ABILITIES, PEREZ, PELFREY, MAINE ARE ALL COVETED TALENTS. UNFORTUNATLY, MAINE HAS NO SELF CONFIDENCE & ALWAYS DOWNPLAYS HIS ABILITIES, WHILE OVERSTATING HIS OPPONENTS’, PELFREY DOESN’T SEEM ABLE TO FORMULATE/ALTER HIS OWN GAMEPLAN BASED UPON WHAT IS OR ISN’T WORKING THAT DAY AND OLLIE SEEMS INCAPABLE OF CONCENTRATING ON 2 THINGS AT ONCE, MECHANICS & STRIKEZONE. I DON’T KNOW FOR CERTAIN HOW WE GOT SUCH CEREBRAL SCEWUPS, PERHAPS HIRING A CEREBRAL GURU CAUSED THIS PITCHING “HELTER-SKELTER”
I looked WAY further than his ERA actually. ERA to me is one of the worst stats to tell whether a pitcher is worth his $. However, the fact his K’s have decreased and his Walks have increased, and the number of Hits he’s allowed have DRAMATICALLY increased tells me he has regressed.
A pitcher’s job is to control the at bat, and get the hitter out. The best thing he can do is strike a batter out. Lowe’s contract is #2 starter money. There is absolutely NO way he’s a #2 starter with those numbers.
He’s given up more doubles this year already since 2005. More triples since 2004. Also on pace for 37 more flyballs than he has ever given up in a season, and the LEAST amount of groundballs he’s ever pitched.
I’m sorry but those are not stats a 36 yr old should be posting when you’re trying to convince me signing him to a FOUR YEAR deal.
Pitchers who have high strikeout ratios usually are taken out of the game with high pitch counts. This puts a burden on the bullpen.
Give me a good ground ball pitcher and some good infielders.
Any pitcher who has to RELY on his defense to make him good is not a #2 pitcher, and not a pitcher worth 15 million dollars. That’s ridiculous.
It’s also worth noting that Lowe has the 2nd best groundball % of any pitcher in baseball and the 6th lowest HR/9 ratio. Groundballs = good, not giving up home runs = good.
Writer’s Edit: So Ollie is about to get Rocked. Still would rather have him for 3 years at his $ than Lowe at his for 4 yrs
Ollie reminds me of a partner in a bad relationship. I’ve had a few girlfriends in my days of bachelorhood and some were low maintenance and some high maintenance.
I learned over time, to run, not walk, from high maintenance women.
Gender difference aside, the Mets should unload Ollie. Maybe not today, but at the first opportunity or in the winter. Maybe other teams will be the suckers we were for putting our trust in him.
Nobody will take him off our hands. Either cut him, transform him into a lefty specialist, or concede the division to the Phillies in 2010 and 2011.
Jessep, so you think Ollie was a good decision? He was not the only one available. In addition, of course he was worth a “multi-year deal”, who else wanted him? Is it a fact that as soon as he signed his big contract his attitude changed? How was his performance in spring training? These are all rhetorical questions BTW. As you said many people have stated signing Perez to such a big money deal made little sense. I agree with your assesment of where he “should” be ideal to start in the rotation, that is when all of the planets align and he comes to play. However, does that spot in the rotation deserve that sort of bank? I know that MLB contracts, (or any other sport for that matter) are lucrative. I simply feel those dollars could have been spent on better options, even if they were for building up the farm system, which has been exposed to be very weak as a part of this injury ridden year. Do you honestly feel Omar has done an excellent job as GM? The argument could certainly be made he has not done a very good job at all, and it would be a reasonable argument. it is a topic that is gaining strength, and momentum. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4417186
Did I say it was a GOOD move? No. In terms of Lowe for 4 yrs 15 mil per, and Ollie at 3 yrs for less $… Ollie is a wiser investment. What other SP was avail to the Mets that would have plugged a gap? If the Mets signed Jon Garland everybody would have flipped out. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say “we need to sign a pitcher” and then when the Mets sign the only one worth a multi year deal, flip out.
Fact is, for 3 more years Derek Lowe has a spot in the Braves rotation. There is absolutely no way that would have flown here in NY and you know it.
I never said Lowe was the guy for that multi year deal. My contention is that Ollie was NOT worth that multi year deal as you apparently believe. I’m glad you believe it was such a good investment, it has certainly paid off for the organization hasn’t it. That was also a rhetorical question. Another comment I agreed with is we had no reason to pay him so well, he wasn’t worth it and this year’s performance proves that, and we had no competetion in signing him. I know that when the contract details were released I was not the only one with a big question mark in my head. Omar let his agent sell him wolf tickets. Just another reason in a VERY long list of reasons Omar should be released. Can you really argue that he has done a good job?
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ACE, I’M ASSUMING U OMITTED THE DOUBLE ‘S’ FROM YR MONIKER SINCE OBVIOUSLY U DIDN’T READ MY PRIOR POST ON THE TOPIC THAT ADDRESSED ALL OF YOUR MISGUIDED ACCUSATIONS. WAS IT TOO MANY WORDS? NOT SUCCINCT ENOUGH? IF U ARE ANALYZING AN ENTIRE FRANCHISE’S ISSUES, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO IN SOUND-BITE FASHION. IF U TRULY BELIEVE AN ENTIRE FARM SYSTEM CAN BE BUILT IN LESS THAN 5 YRS OR THAT AN ENTIRE ROSTER CAN BE REPLACED FOR 14M, THEN PUT THOSE DOUBLE S’s BACK, U CAN THEN EMPLOY CAPSLOCK AS A** IN CAPS WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPOROPRIATE!
You know METSFAN, not exactly sure what post of mine you are refer to but here, maybe this will help you understand: I NEVER SAID THAT OMAR COULD REPLACE AN ENTIRE ROSTER FOR 14M, DID I? I DO FEEL THAT THE FARM SYSTEM COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER IN AS LITTLE AS 5 YEARS, IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO IT THAT IS. APPARENTLY YOU BELIEVE OMAR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SUCCINT AND USED LESS WORDS THAN YOUR DRY RAMBLING POSTS CONTINUE TO BE. BECAUSE NO WAY ANY LOGICAL ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE TO SUPPORT YOUR OPINION OF HIM. WHEN A PERSON TAKES ON A ROLE SUCH AS GM, THEY BECOME THE PLACE WHERE THE BUCK SHOULD STOP. THE METS ARE A HOT MESS, THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION AND OMAR IS THE REASON. YOU APPRENTLY HAVE THE SAME ROSE COLORED GLASSES THAT ALLOW YOU TO SEE HOW GREAT A JOB THE MANAGEMENT HAS DONE. AGAIN I WILL SAY, I DON’T JUST SAY FIRE THESE GUYS FOR THE SAKE OF IT, THEY HAVE EARNED THEIR TRIP TO THE DOOR.
In my opinion Oliver Perez is nothing more than a double A pitcher.
He’s hot garbage.
The Mets can put all that bullshit spin on this idiot all they want, we know he’s worthless as a pitcher.
This guy is Victor Zambrano reincarnated…Oh Zambrano ain’t dead.
Miniya screwed up he low balled Lowe and underestimated the market for him, and I would take Lowe at 40 rather than this simple minded M.F. Oliver Perez at 27, 28 or what how ever old he is…and he probably lied about that.
I think the problem is not that Omar signed Ollie, but rather the terms he signed him to. Omar allowed Boras to muscle him into a bad contract. The $36 mil over 3 yrs was too rich; Omar should have held the line to a smaller number. After all, he was only bidding against himself. He should have called the bluff. Did he really think Ollie was going to sit the year out? I can’t help thinking Omar’s negotiating, thinking, and communication skills are less than required for this position. I can’t wait to see how he makes out with Theo regarding a trade for Wags. Should be interesting.
Agreed! Omar is in the driver’s seat over Wagner, going to be interesting what he does with it. Although I feel we should keep him, and go after building the starting rotation. I mean really, any decent addition will help. I also believe we should be building the younger team members up; however the Mets are in bad need of someone that will step up and be a leader of this group. It will NOT be Omar or Manuel apparently. But the Mets need that guy in the clubhouse that is the clear leader, spokesman, example, etc. that person is usually a more experienced player, even if it is a 30+ year old guy, that role needs to be filled in a very bad way. the Met’s need the kind of player that makes everyone else step up their game. Does anyone else think this is a person that is sorely missed in the clubhouse? Over the past few years witnessing this team I love so much choke, let injuries bog us down, it is clearly de-motivating to me, much less this team. But if we had that player with the dynamic attitude in the dugout, I believe this would be a big shot to our dynamic as a team. I don’t even mean an all-star (even though that would be great), he doesn’t have to be a franchise player, just one with that leadership attitude.
MASK, DO YOU REALY BELIEVE THE DODGERS WOULDN’T HAVE PREFERRED TO GAMBLE ON OLLIE RATHER THAN TAKE ANOTHER TURN WITH WOLF, WHOM THEY’D ALREADY DISCARDED TO SD THE YR BEFORE? YOU KEEP DRINKING ALL THIS KOOL-AIDE BEING FORCED FED BY JEFF’S SNY & NYPRESSCORPS.
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE LACK OF HIGH LEVEL PROSPECTS IS OMAR’S FAULT. STARTING FROM NOTHING LEFT BY HIS PREDECESSORS & LIMITED TO SECOND ROUNDERS AT BEST, HOW DO U PROVIDE MAJOR LEAGUE READY TALENT IN LESS THAN 5 YRS? WHO ELSE IS DOING IT? REMEMBER YOU AREN’T ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE COMMISSIONER’S SIGNING BONUS GUIDELINES OF SLOTTING.
SOMEHOW THER’S A MEMORY REDUCTION AGENT IN THAT KOOLAIDE. DO YOU FORGET ALL THE TEAMS WE STARTED WITH POPULATED WITH A MULTITUDE OF PLAYERS 30+(VENTURA, ZEILE, VAUGHN, LIETER) WHEN THE BEST CALLUP WAS TY “SHREK” WIGGINTON? FUNNY, FORGOTTEN ARE ALL THE THIRD PLACE & FOURTH PLACE FINISHES THAT WERE “THE BEST TO BE EXPECTED” THE NYM HAVE PRETTY CONSISTANTLY BEEN AT OR NEAR THE TOP OF THE NL IN PAYROLL THROUGHOUT PHILLIPS’,DUQUETTE’S & MINAYA’S TENURE. YET SOMEHOW STEVE PHILLIPS WHO’S CLUBS MANAGED ONLY 2 WILDCARD BERTH’S WITH ONE THIRD, ONE FOURTH & 2 FIFTH PLACE FINISHES SUCCEEDING HIS ONLY WS APPEARANCE PRIOR TO MINAYA’S 1 THIRD, 1 FIRST & 2 SECONDS. BTW, PHILLIPS ATTAINED MUCH OF THAT DISMAL SHOWING RELYING UPON BOBBY V AT THE FIELD HELM. THE FRANCHISE PRETTY MUCH STUNK BEFORE HIRING OMAR. THEY WERE IRRELEVANT FROM DAY 1 OF MOST SEASONS WITH MOST OF US KIDDING OURSELVES. WHAT HAS OMAR DONE LATELY? PRIOR TO THIS ACT OF GOD DISMEMBERMENT THE FRANCHISE CERTAINLY WAS RELEVANT & TALK OF POST SEASON PLAY WASN’T MET WITH DISDAIN & GUFFAWS BY OPPONENTS. MOST LOGICAL PEOPLE ACCEPT “ACTS OF GOD”, HELL EVEN HEARTLESS INSURANCE COMPANIES RECOGIZE THEM AS UNAVOIDABLE.
Mets could of signed a pitcher like Wolf for one year, as he got from LA, and let Ollie try and sit out or take less money. I agree that Omar was bidding against himself. He saw this with K Rod and held the line, why couldn’t he do the same with Ollie? He let Boras pick his pocket and I hope next time he deal with Scott that he remembers this deal and makes Boras pay for it. What an embarrasment today by Perez. What mental, physical, religious or other approach other than guild for stealing money can be used to get Ollie pitching the way he should. I didn’t want Lowe at those years either but again, Omar outbid himself and now this contract will tie down the Mets next year. At least Castillo is earning his contract this year and maybe he can carry it over to next year but you never know with this aging players.
The Mets shouldn’t have invested that much in Oliver Perez, but I would’ve invested in Perez over Lowe. Lowe wanted too much length on his contract, and i don’t like offering four year deals to 36-year olds, where they’ll be making the most money when they’re least effective.
Either way, there are some decent SP’s on the market this season and I agree with Jessep’s reasoning that we should just “Jump off the Lowe Train”.
A great posting by Jessup….I cannot believe that so many ? fans blame Omar Minaya for the problems that the Mets have. Surely he did not handle the Adam Rubin thing well. Let us not forget that while Pedro may not have delivered the amount of wins vs the money he was paid, he did change the face of this team and that attracted others to come here too. Beltran, Delgado, Wagner to name a few. Signing free agents like Moises Alou is always a gamble and Moises was a good hitter for the Mets when healthy. Omar signed Castillo hoping he would regain his form and he has done so albeit a year later than we would have liked. We needed to revamp a weak and injured bullpen following the injury to Wagner and Omar signed K-Rod. He got rid of an over rated and problem child player like Lastings Millidge for Church and Schneider and you can’t blame Omar for Ryan’s concussions. So, now we have Frenchy and so far this looks like a great trade and perhaps a steal…If the fans who are under the opinion that the Mets have failed because of Omar Minaya they should leave the flock of the “Faithful” and be Yankee fans. There they can join the fans who are front running fools who don’t understand theis game at all!
Alan, please let me borrow those rose colored glasses so I can like Omar and feel good about his choices, or lack thereof. What you should have said is if THAT many mets fans think Omar is to blame, there might be something to it, might….Your post is very interesting because you name several bad decisions Omar has made but you say they are not his fault? notibly you fail to mention the Oliver Perez situation, or the lack of depth in the farm system, or the lack of leadership and the list could certainly go on, WAY on. Definately a change needs to be made, and to say that those of us that think Omar should be shown the door should “leave the flock of the “Faithful” and be Yankee fans. There they can join the fans who are front running fools who don’t understand theis game at all!” is just the easy way out of a difficult realization that many have made about Omar.
ACE, COULDN’T FIND YOUR REBUTTAL RE. 5 YRS LONG ENOUGH TO REBUILD HAD OMAR PAID ATTENTION
DON’T KNOW HOW U’D EXPECT TO BUILD SO FAST WITHOUT FIRST ROUND TALENT & OWNERSHIPS REFUSAL TO PAY BONUSES OUTSIDE OF COMMISSIONER’S PARITY GUIDELINES. AS TO EXEC ATTENTION, THERE WAS A VP IN CHARGE OF PLAYER DEVELOPMENT WHOSE JOB WAS “PAYING ATTENTIO” WITH OR WITHOUT SHIRT. LOL.
REMEMBER, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE MINORS OF ANY NOTE ESP AFTER PETERSON CLEANED OUT THE MALCONTENTS THAT BALKED AT HIS METHODS (KAZMIR,BANNISTER,LINDSTRUM, BELL, RING,OWENS) BUILD ON WHAT? WITH WHAT?
ANSWER THOSE 2 SIMPLE QUETIONS. BOSOX & NYY BOTH ARE SIGNING FIRST ROUND TALENTS BY AGREEING TO HIGH BONUSES OUTSIDE OF GUIDELINES IRRESPECTIVE OF DRAFT POSITION. LOOK IT UP! CONSIDER WE GOT ZERO TOP PROSPECTS BY DEALING AWAY ALOMAR,BENITEZ,BURNITZ,VENTURA,ZEILLE, WHO DOES THAT? DUQUEETTE ORDERED BY JEFF TO NOT INCLUDE ANY CASH THAT MAY HAVE INCREASED RQUALITY OF RETURNS. ONCE MORE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
look, your continuing to defend Omar is both senseless and exhausting. No way the state of the organization can be attributed solely to his predecessors. I have said, and again will say that the Wilpon’s are just as much to blame for the situation, but they cannot be fired and replaced so easily. I even agree that they need to open the checkbook wider if they want to be a contender. However, the list is very, very long of things that happened ON Omar’s watch. I really don’t know how you continue to justify your position that this is not Omar’s fault, but I am done with thi senseless joust.