Mets Shutout Again, Fall To Braves 11-0

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• D.C. July 17, 2009 at 11:49 pm

  The team is lost.
• sarge July 17, 2009 at 11:55 pm

  Stat brought up tonight by Bravos announcers, last year Mets set modern record for run scored vs runs allowed at 150 +/- in first 3 innings and this year are at -9. Tell me that not having Reyes makes a difference and not having Beltran at the top is not hurting us. Wow, we totally embarressed our selves in Hot Lanta tonight and even at time the bravos announcers almost sounded bad for us, yeah right. Wow!
  I will not give up but it is painful like you mentioned Joe that when you got down two runs in first your stomach got that ache that says, “This is gonna be tough to overcome”, TWO RUNS brings out those feelings.
  • METS62FAN July 18, 2009 at 10:29 am

    CAPSLOCK = DISABILITY ACCOMODATION.

    HERE’S SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS I’VE HAD REGARDING MY TOTAL FRUSTRATION WITH THIS TEAM’S MAKEUP AS I VOICED TO SOME PERSONAL FRIENDS THIS MORNING:
    LAST NIGHT, AS USUAL, I WAS FORCED TO GET THE GAME OFF THE BRAVES FEED ON MADDOX NIGHT NO LESS, THE BRAVES RETIRED #31. THEIR ANNOUNCERS SAID A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STRUCK ME. 1)THEY PONTED OUT THAT DESPITE THE INJURIES THE METS ARE ATOP THE NL IN BATTING W/RISP. COULD’VE FOOLED ME, THEY MUST’VE HAD ONE HELL OF A LEAD; BUT THEN AGAIN IF U GO THROUGH SO MANY GAMES NEVER GETTING A RUNNER PAST FIRST, YOU DON’T DETERIORATE WHAT’S COME BEFORE. NOTE I SAID A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE COTS CONTRACT SITE INDICATES A PRECIPITOUS DROP IN NYM PAyroll commitments after this yr most notably aboUT 40m. WHAT THOSE BRAVES, HOMERS, ANNOUNCERS SAID WAS IN A DISCUSSION RE. THE BRAVES 2009 MVP? THE ONE NAME THEY SEEMED TO TOTALLY AgREE ON WAS ‘BENCH’ NO NOT JOHNNY OR ANY PRODGINY U NEVER HEARD OF; BUT THE BRAVES’ BENCH, IN TOTAL. A LIGHT BULB WENY OFF IN MY HEAD AS TO THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BET THE METS’ NO-NAMES & THOSE WE’RE COMPETING WITH IN ATL & PHL. CERTAINLY WE COMPARE DECENTLY WHEN LOOKING AT THE BACKS OF CARDS BET THE BELTRANS,REYES’, WRIGHTS & DELAGADOS WITH UTLEY,HOWARD,ROLLINS, IBANEZ’, OR IN ATLANTA WITH THE JONES,JONES,JONES,CHIPPER. SORRY THAT’S THEIR ONLY ONE REAL STAR FROM A NY-CENTRIC THOUGHT PROCESS THOUGH THEY WOULD ARGUE FOR McCANN WHO’S NUMBERS ARE NOT NY STAR QUALITY WITH OTHER BACKSTOPS NY OGLED LIKE POSADA,CARTER,MUNSON,PIAZZA,HOWARD,CAPANELLA. VERY GROTE LIKE IS MR. McCANN. YET IT’S THE BIT PLAYERS LIKE VICTORINO,WERTH,PRADA,JOHNSON,ESCOBAR,FELIZ,DIAZ,MAYBERRY WHERE THE METS CERTAINLY DON’T MEASURE UP. I BELIEVE THIS IS AN OMAR PROBLEM OF FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON THE TOP LEVEL FREE AGENTS THAT COSTS ARMS,LEGS & DRAFT PICKS INSTEAD HE SHOULD BE BLOWING UP THE BIT PLAYERS ON ROSTER AS HE DID TO THE BULLPEN LAST YR AND ALLOCATING STAR QUALITY ATTENTION & DOLLARS, NOT TO ONE ACQUISITION; BUT TO 3 OR 4 YOUNGER FIRST TIME FREE AGENTS WHO’VE BEEN BENCHERS PREVIOUSLY & ARE STILL YOUNG ENOUGH & HUNGRY ENOUGH TO RANK AS AN IMPROVMENT. BASICLY TO DO VIA LOW COST FREE AGENCY WHAT HE DID IN DEALING CHURCH FOR FRENCHY. IF YOU LOOK FOR THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ROSTER AND THOSE WE’RE COMPETING WITH, OR PAST TOP MET ROSTERS. U QUCKILY NOTICE THE TOTAL LACK OF HIGHER LEVEL NON-STAR CONTRIBUTORS JUST AS DYKSTRA,MOOKIE,BACKMAN,TUEFEL,ELSTER WERE IN ’86 THOSE GUYS WEREN’T ‘STARS’ OR EVEN ‘NAMES IN MARCH OF ’86; BUT EVERY BASEBALL FAN IN THE US KNEW WHO THEY WERE IN NOVEMBER. OUTSIDE OF CORA & SHEFFIELD, I WOULDN’T GIVE U A PLUG NICKEL FOR ANY OF OUR CURRENT CROP OF NO-NAME BENCHERS/FILLERS. THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR ’07,’08,’09.
    THERE’S ALSO A PROBLEM WITH THE HEADS ON OUR SP PELFREY,MAINE,PEREZ. I’M NOT SURE IF IT’S DUE TO PETERSON’S INFLUENCE; BUT ALL 3 SEEM MENTALLY DEFICIENT ON THE MOUND TOO OFTEN. WHEN PETERSON WAS FIRED, HIS LONE EXPLAINATION OUT THE DOOR WAS TO EQUATE HIS DISMISSAL TO THAT OF A HOMEOWNER CHOOSING TO TEAR OUT PERFECTLY GOOD CARPETING TO INSTALL EXPENSIVE TILE. THIS DISCONNECT OF THOUGHT/APPROACH STRUCK ME DURING AN INTERVIEW IN JUNE BETWEEN KEVIN BURKHARDT & THE WICHITA STATE BASEBALL COACH ON A NIGHT PELF PITCHED IN CITI. THE COACH’S FIRST GAME ATTENDANCE TO ONE OF PELF’S MLB STARTS. PELF WAS A FIRST ROUNDER OF HIGH REGARD WHO WAS FAST TRACKED THROUGH THE SYSTEM ONTO THE MLB BALLFIELD DUE TO BORAS’ INSISTANCE UPON A ROSTER SPOT AT INITIAL SIGNING. PELF GOT LITTLE MILB ATTENTION/WORK MEANING HIS MOST DOMINANT PRO INFLUENCE WAS PETERSON, SO WHEN A COACH REFERS TO HIS ONCE ‘STAR’ FIRST ROUNDER BY SAYING “HE PITCHED TOTALLY DIFFERENT FOR ME” HE THREW HARDER & DOMINATED WITH A RISING FASTBALL AND HE WAS MAINLY A STRIKEOUT PITCHER. I MUST WONDER WHY IT IS MET FANS HAVE NEVER, EVER SEEN THAT MODUS OPERANDI FROM PELF. HE’S CERTAINLY BIG ENOUGH, IMPOSING ENOUGH. WHY WOULD A DOMINATING STRIKEOUT PROSPECT BECOME A SINKERBALLING, FINESSE PITCHER? AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO HIS HEAD? WHAT STRATEGY WOULD HE FALL BACK ON WHEN THINGS GOT ROUGH? SPECIFICALLY WITHOUT THE COACH WHO CONVINCED HIM TO ALTER HIS STYLE. PART OF OUR PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE THAT ALL 3 OF THESE PITCHERS WERE REMADE INTO AN IMAGE THAT WARTHEN DOESN’T SEEM TO KNOW OR UNDERSTAND. BETWEEN WARTHEN & PETERSON ONLY WARTHEN HAS ACTUAL PITCHING EXPERIENCE, ESP IN ‘IN GAME MNGT’. BOTH PEREZ & MAINE HAD EXPERIENCED DISAPPOINTMENT & FAILURE WITH THEIR PREVIOUS BALLCLUBS, SO MUCH SO THAT BOTH WERE “THROW-INS ON DEALS, NOT EVEN REGARDED HIGH ENOUGH TO BE WORTH SOMETHING IN THAIR OWN RIGHT. PETERSON, TO HIS CREDIT,, TOOK THESE BROKEN WORTH LITTLE PIECES & MADE BOTH 15G WINNERS WITH THE FIRST TASTE OF SUCCESS IN THEIR MOUTHS ON THE BIG STAGE. BOTH WERE THRUST EARLY IN THEIR NYM CAREERS INTO THE PLAYOFFS IN DO OR FAIL SITUATIONS WITH BOTH HAVING A MODICUM OF SUCCESS. WHICH MOST LIKELY SOLIDIFIED THE “PETERSON MERTHOD” IN THEIR MINDS TOO MUCH & TO THE DETERIMENT OF TRUSTING A DIFFERENT APPROACH. WARTHEN IS PROBABLY SOUNDING TOO MUCH LIKE THEIR PRE-PETERSON COACHES WHO THEY FAILED FOLLOWING. I DON’T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN LUCK OVER A LONG TIME PERIOD MEANING THAT TO ME IT ISN’T A MATTER OF “BAD LIUCK” WE HAVE SO MANY UNDERPERFORMING, OVER THINKING SP. MUCH MORE BY DESIGN/PLAN. PETERSON HAVING NEVER PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED RESULTS ON A PITCHING MOUND, RELIED ON ACCADEMICS FOR HIS METHODS. PROBABILITY & STATISTICS WERE RICK’S W-L RECORD. HE KNEW BY STATISTICS THAT THE PROBABILITY OF FAILURE WHILE PITCHING CONSISTANTLY TO THE KNEES WAS QUITE LOW; HOWEVER, HIS WEAKNESS WAS CERTANLY A LEO MAZZONE STRENGTH. ACCOMODATING FOR A PITCHER’S PERSONAL STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES & NATURAL PHYSICAL TENDANCIES.
    I’M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THE SOLUTION & I’M JUST GUESSING AT THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM. I AM, HOWEVER, SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM AND WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE MOST VIABLE & WHICH ARE DOA. THERE IS NO WAY, AT THIS POINT, OMAR CAN’T UPGRADE THE ENTIRE ROTATION SPOTS 2,3,4. SANTANA & LIVAN ARE THE ONLY 2 ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB THEY WERRE HIRED FOR CONSISTANTLY. JOHAN TO WIN & LIVAN TO EAT INNINGS IN HOLDING HIS OWN(.500) AS #5 PITCHER & DON’T OVERTAX THE BULLPEN IN DOING SO.
    WHILE, AS I’VE STAED TOO MANY TIMES, IN PRECIOUS POSTINGS I STILL BELIEVE THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN JEFF & OMAR IS DESTROYING THIS TEAM. JEFF’S SECOND SON COMPLEX IS OUR QUIET UNDOING, ESP WHEN COMBINED WITH FRED’S LACK OF AGGRESSION & PREFERENCE FOR “CLASS” LOSING INSTEAD OF OVERBEARUING DOMINANCE.
    • theonlymaskman July 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm

      Yes, Perez, Maine, and now Pelfrey are a mess. Something is awry in the coaching area. Could be a disconnect between Peterson and turnover to Warthen, or it could be whatever. Whatever it is, the fixing is now likely to be fairly complicated. Whatever it is, we can lay it directly on Jerry’s doorstep like something the cat dragged home. He’s the Mgr and he owns it. Fix it Jerry! Oh, that’s right you don’t have a clue.
      • METS62FAN July 19, 2009 at 12:02 pm

        MASK, AS USUAL, U MISSED THE POINT. ALL 3 ARE HAVING MENTAL GAME CONTROL ISSUES & AS SUCH IS NOT SOMETHING A FIELD MGR CAN ADDRESS WITHOUT BENCHING THE PLAYER. HOW DO U BENCH 60% OF YOUR ROTATION? UNLESS MAINE CAN BE ADDRESSED(PERHAPS PELF’S SPORTS SHRINK?) HE SHOULD BE DEALT BEFORE HE COSTS MORE MONEY OR IS INKED LONGTERM LIKE PEREZ. IT’S VERY TOUGH, ALL 3 OBVIOUSLY HAVE BETTER THAN AVERAGE ‘STUFF’; BUT ARE HAMPERED BY NON PHYSICAL ISSUES. THEY SHOULD CONSIDER FIRING THEIR INCOMPERTANT INJURY TREATING TRAINING STAFF & HIRING A SPORTS PHSYCHOLOGIST JUST AS BRAVES HAD TO DO EARLY IN SMOLTZ’ CAREER (HYPNOTHERAPIST PRIOR TO FIRST POSTSEASON Vs PIRATES). EITHER THAT OR GET SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS FINE WOOD FLOORING & NOT TERRACOTTA TILES.LMAO!
        • theonlymaskman July 20, 2009 at 9:21 am

          The pitching coach reports to the field mgr. If this is a Peterson/Warthen issue, it comes down to the pitching coach’s boss – Jerry. I stand by what I said – Jerry owns it. He has to find a fix. If Warthen can’t make progress with these guys, get a new pitching coach. Need a sports psychologist? That is very likely and I have thought for a quite a while that Ollie needed a “head doctor” more than a “physical doctor”. That may apply to Pelf as well now. Jerry is responsible for the team’s record. If the staff doesn’t perform, it is on Jerry’s head. He needs to do whatever is required, whether that is bring in a new pitching coach, a sports psychologist or whatever. Bottom line is that it comes down to Jerry taking whatever action is required to provide results by proper mgmt of the pitching staff. Bottom line: It’s on Jerry’s head! He also has to get them to perform in order to be able to deal them. Can you trade Pelf for anything when he just finished stinking up the joint?
• Russell Zanca July 18, 2009 at 12:15 am

  The team is a bust, a travesty in current form and all opponents know it.

  Once a week there will be some offensive splurge, and then we’ll think we’re on the mend.

  Two collapses and now this. Yeah, this is everybody as bit as the collapses, maybe worse. It’s like a painful wound that just doesn’t heal and only gets worse.

  Horrible to look at, terrible to think how we’re going to embarrass ourselves next.

  Yeah, bring up some minor league guys that ought to do wonders.
• MJ July 18, 2009 at 1:06 am

  It official; The Mets are a doormat
• Mikey July 18, 2009 at 3:24 am

  We’re done. I can’t remember the last time I said that in JULY. Not only are we done this year, but we’re done next year as well. Welcome to a rebuilding season and a half. Starting….
• Alphie July 18, 2009 at 8:32 am

  This feels worse than the collapses of 07 and 08. We have been playing like we have for the past two Septembers all season long.
  • mary July 18, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Agreed. at least at this time in 07 and 08 we were happily anticipating October. We had 1-3 days of misery at the end instead of months of it.
• theonlymaskman July 18, 2009 at 8:26 pm

  Game 2 of 2nd Half
  – Goats Award: Mike Pelfrey by universal acclaim.

  Goats for 2nd Half to date:
  – Bobby Parnell
  – Mike Pelfrey