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	<title>Comments on: I Don&#8217;t Trust Omar Minaya Anymore</title>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/07/i-dont-trust-omar-minaya-anymore.html/comment-page-1#comment-24241</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarge, thanks for the comment and question, sorry for the tardy reply, I was out of commission yesterday.

I am very upset, like most Mets fans are. I like Pelfrey, he&#039;s a good Steve Trachsel type starter. I just don&#039;t like to read these unrealistic expectations about him. He&#039;s simply not a top of the rotation guy like the Mets would have you believe.

We need Roy Halladay. As I mentioned in another post, we have wasted five out of that seven year deal we gave Beltran. Here we are putzing around with bottom of the rotation guys who the Mets would have you believe are top of the rotation guys. 

They are on the verge of pulling the same scam with Niese who was never even a top 50 prospect in his Mets tenure.

The Mets want to pretend Pelf is huge because they screwed up big! Tony B and Omar dropped the ball! They played Selig&#039;s slot game and passed on Ellsbury, J. Bruce, McCutchen, Rasmus, Maybin, Mayberry and took Pelf because he was singable. Pelf was a deep reach. The picks leading up to Pelf were Upton, R. Zimmerman, Braun, Romero and Tulowitski. 

The Mets want to convince themselves that they shared in what many scouts called the deepest draft of first round mega prospects in this decade. 

The Mets drafted nine and instead of taking one of the big bonus babies, they had a top ten pick but chose a second round talent. But in the end, you are what you are. And Pelfrey is bottom of the rotation guy who will have one or two 17 win seasons in his prime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarge, thanks for the comment and question, sorry for the tardy reply, I was out of commission yesterday.</p>
<p>I am very upset, like most Mets fans are. I like Pelfrey, he&#8217;s a good Steve Trachsel type starter. I just don&#8217;t like to read these unrealistic expectations about him. He&#8217;s simply not a top of the rotation guy like the Mets would have you believe.</p>
<p>We need Roy Halladay. As I mentioned in another post, we have wasted five out of that seven year deal we gave Beltran. Here we are putzing around with bottom of the rotation guys who the Mets would have you believe are top of the rotation guys. </p>
<p>They are on the verge of pulling the same scam with Niese who was never even a top 50 prospect in his Mets tenure.</p>
<p>The Mets want to pretend Pelf is huge because they screwed up big! Tony B and Omar dropped the ball! They played Selig&#8217;s slot game and passed on Ellsbury, J. Bruce, McCutchen, Rasmus, Maybin, Mayberry and took Pelf because he was singable. Pelf was a deep reach. The picks leading up to Pelf were Upton, R. Zimmerman, Braun, Romero and Tulowitski. </p>
<p>The Mets want to convince themselves that they shared in what many scouts called the deepest draft of first round mega prospects in this decade. </p>
<p>The Mets drafted nine and instead of taking one of the big bonus babies, they had a top ten pick but chose a second round talent. But in the end, you are what you are. And Pelfrey is bottom of the rotation guy who will have one or two 17 win seasons in his prime.</p>
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		<title>By: tainoray</title>
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		<dc:creator>tainoray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets go mets  Calm down Joe, you love the Mets like we all do and this is the season from hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets go mets  Calm down Joe, you love the Mets like we all do and this is the season from hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Piazzaparty98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piazzaparty98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York team on the other side of town would not tolerate this and would have been re-armed when they were only a couple of games back in time for the Phillies series. Why don&#039;t the Mets learn from the Yankees? After all (with the exception of last year), They always seem to make it to the post-season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York team on the other side of town would not tolerate this and would have been re-armed when they were only a couple of games back in time for the Phillies series. Why don&#8217;t the Mets learn from the Yankees? After all (with the exception of last year), They always seem to make it to the post-season.</p>
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		<title>By: Piazzaparty98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piazzaparty98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He also said the Mets have the best medical staff in baseball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also said the Mets have the best medical staff in baseball!</p>
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		<title>By: Mookster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mookster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to butt in, but I feel I must. I don&#039;t know about Joe, but I am terribly disappointed with Pelfrey and I would like to explain why.

Last season, I felt as though Mike Pelfrey exceeded my expectations. He was a number five pitcher who basically performed like a number 3 pitcher. After a poor showing in a limited appearance in 2007, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA and gave us 200 innings in his first full season. Unlike hitters who are more prone to a sophomore drop-off, pitchers usually continue to improve or stay at the same level.

Pelfrey has an ERA of 4.99 which ranks him in the bottom five of pitchers with 100 or more innings pitched. He has been wildly inconsistent. He is throwing more pitches per inning pitched which is the one area a good pitcher will show improvement in his second year.

He has also shown a decline in strikeout rate and velocity which is a little troubling and makes one wonder if there is any troth to the Verducci effect. Righthanders are hitting .289 against him. (.245 LY)His 1.50 WHIP is also a concern.

He went from a moderate pitchers park to an extreme pitchers park and yet his numbers all took a turn for the worse. He also benefited from a bullpen that allowed practically none of his inherited runners to score.

His hits per nine innings pitched went up by 1.00.

There is not one positive indicator for Pelfrey this season. 

He has not pitched 8 innings or more once this season. Last season he had two complete games and two other games in which he pitched 8 innings. They accounted for 4 of his 13 wins.

He has the makings of a career bottom of the rotation starter. He cannot control his number one pitch, his sinker. His other pitches are below average.

He may be a number two pitcher for the Pirates or Royals, but for a team like the Mets, he should be residing in the number 4 spot at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to butt in, but I feel I must. I don&#8217;t know about Joe, but I am terribly disappointed with Pelfrey and I would like to explain why.</p>
<p>Last season, I felt as though Mike Pelfrey exceeded my expectations. He was a number five pitcher who basically performed like a number 3 pitcher. After a poor showing in a limited appearance in 2007, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA and gave us 200 innings in his first full season. Unlike hitters who are more prone to a sophomore drop-off, pitchers usually continue to improve or stay at the same level.</p>
<p>Pelfrey has an ERA of 4.99 which ranks him in the bottom five of pitchers with 100 or more innings pitched. He has been wildly inconsistent. He is throwing more pitches per inning pitched which is the one area a good pitcher will show improvement in his second year.</p>
<p>He has also shown a decline in strikeout rate and velocity which is a little troubling and makes one wonder if there is any troth to the Verducci effect. Righthanders are hitting .289 against him. (.245 LY)His 1.50 WHIP is also a concern.</p>
<p>He went from a moderate pitchers park to an extreme pitchers park and yet his numbers all took a turn for the worse. He also benefited from a bullpen that allowed practically none of his inherited runners to score.</p>
<p>His hits per nine innings pitched went up by 1.00.</p>
<p>There is not one positive indicator for Pelfrey this season. </p>
<p>He has not pitched 8 innings or more once this season. Last season he had two complete games and two other games in which he pitched 8 innings. They accounted for 4 of his 13 wins.</p>
<p>He has the makings of a career bottom of the rotation starter. He cannot control his number one pitch, his sinker. His other pitches are below average.</p>
<p>He may be a number two pitcher for the Pirates or Royals, but for a team like the Mets, he should be residing in the number 4 spot at best.</p>
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		<title>By: sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you really upset Joe D? Let it out, not good to keep it all in, not healthy. I am ready to start all over again as you state in your piece. With just a few additions the current team, with those injured, can be successful for few years. The farms system just needs to let the players develop and not rush to next level. Stop trading you future for temp fixes.
Wow, comparing Pelfrey to Ollie is a low blow Joe, even for you. I know that you are &quot;upset&quot; with this years product and mgmt but Pelfrey is not Ollie. Pelfrey has shown more in the last two years in spite of his recent 5th inning problems than Ollie. I didn&#039;t hear you complaining about Pelfrey last year. This is his 2nd &quot;full&quot; year and I believe that he will become a fixture in Met rotation in future, maybe not a #2 but a consistent pitcher when he learns and pitches more. His problem is the team sucks so you have to criticize everyone. Omar did bring back respectablity to mets but injuries are not predictable so how can that be anyone&#039;s fault? Players also have to say they won&#039;t play if hurt to minimize their time away from team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you really upset Joe D? Let it out, not good to keep it all in, not healthy. I am ready to start all over again as you state in your piece. With just a few additions the current team, with those injured, can be successful for few years. The farms system just needs to let the players develop and not rush to next level. Stop trading you future for temp fixes.<br />
Wow, comparing Pelfrey to Ollie is a low blow Joe, even for you. I know that you are &#8220;upset&#8221; with this years product and mgmt but Pelfrey is not Ollie. Pelfrey has shown more in the last two years in spite of his recent 5th inning problems than Ollie. I didn&#8217;t hear you complaining about Pelfrey last year. This is his 2nd &#8220;full&#8221; year and I believe that he will become a fixture in Met rotation in future, maybe not a #2 but a consistent pitcher when he learns and pitches more. His problem is the team sucks so you have to criticize everyone. Omar did bring back respectablity to mets but injuries are not predictable so how can that be anyone&#8217;s fault? Players also have to say they won&#8217;t play if hurt to minimize their time away from team.</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, That Just Happened Applesauce - Mets drop series to Nats, more Bernazard, and Nuke LaLoosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, That Just Happened Applesauce - Mets drop series to Nats, more Bernazard, and Nuke LaLoosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a clean slate? Not that it matters, but I would have to believe that the majority of fans are loudly hoping for this move. Especially when the GM makes absurdly wishful comments like this one. Well, at least one member [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from a clean slate? Not that it matters, but I would have to believe that the majority of fans are loudly hoping for this move. Especially when the GM makes absurdly wishful comments like this one. Well, at least one member [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Bryan! In order to have a better stocked farm system, we NEVER should have traded our minor leaguers for that garbage pitcher who wears the Heinz ketchup number. (rolls eyes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Bryan! In order to have a better stocked farm system, we NEVER should have traded our minor leaguers for that garbage pitcher who wears the Heinz ketchup number. (rolls eyes)</p>
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		<title>By: Pete M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically what I am saying in a nutshell is that if there wasn&#039;t a Madoff scandal, we would have had Perez, Dunn, Abreu and Wolf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically what I am saying in a nutshell is that if there wasn&#8217;t a Madoff scandal, we would have had Perez, Dunn, Abreu and Wolf.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would let Omar Minaya go if I could get Billy Beane. After all, he is better suited to run the 2010 Mets and their $80 million dollar payroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would let Omar Minaya go if I could get Billy Beane. After all, he is better suited to run the 2010 Mets and their $80 million dollar payroll.</p>
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